Good points, still it didn't cost much to cover the EW gap.
Dis: By the by, does each one of those broadcasters get to attack or is it just the one attack per ship?
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Good points, still it didn't cost much to cover the EW gap.
Dis: By the by, does each one of those broadcasters get to attack or is it just the one attack per ship?
Next Weakness
Baldric MKII Supply
5 x Burst Drives
1 x Fission Rocket
1 x Recyclers
1 x Supply Section
Frey Assault Boat
9 x Burst Drive
3 x Deuterium Drive
3 x Pulse Drive
1 x Algorithmic Interlocks I-III
1 x Intrusion Unit
2 x Space Marines
1 x Grapples
1 x Jetpacks
1 x Baldric 39u, 12s
Frey Refining 126u, 32s
30 x Frey 76u, 36s
Total: 2445u, 80s
This only works because the Symphony is going quality and they cannot avoid being closed with.
Baldric MKII Supply
5 x Burst Drives
1 x Fission Rocket
1 x Recyclers
1 x Supply Section
Frey Assault Boat
9 x Burst Drive
3 x Deuterium Drive
3 x Pulse Drive
1 x Algorithmic Interlocks I-III
1 x Intrusion Unit
2 x Space Marines
1 x Grapples
1 x Jetpacks
1 x Baldric 39u, 12s
Frey Refining 126u, 32s
30 x Frey 76u, 36s
Total: 2445u, 80s
This only works because the Symphony is going quality and they cannot avoid being closed with.
Symphony D.
Deity
I'm nonplussed by these so far as they're one-off runs nobody would ever actually build because they'd die horribly against anything that was not the fleet they're designed to counter. The application of exorbitant resources on largely impractical combat strategies to beat one fleet is cool and all, but nobody's disputing that there are counters. The question is whether there are good counters, and stuff like all-boarding or all-EW fleets definitely aren't.
Can you design a counter? Because your fleet is awfully close to perfect, thats what I'm finding interesting. Apart from a slightly odd way to progress into a new system the metal capacitors are almost the best power source to construct a fleet around.
Your fleet is immune to:
Missiles, EW, Particle
True lasers could take it out but then everyone is building the same ships
Your fleet is immune to:
Missiles, EW, Particle
True lasers could take it out but then everyone is building the same ships
Symphony D.
Deity
Some ideas that I don't have time to investigate thoroughly right now (listed designs not very optimized):
- Modified Steel Reign/Aesir Fleet hybrid; cheap/numerous platforms with lots of computing power per missile boat to overcome the Avoid bonus through Init (i.e., 15 Burst Drive, 1 Fission Core, 5 Fission Rocket, 11 Computer Module, 1 Scanners, 1 Salt Sinks, 5 Kinetic Lances [Refined]). Possibly multiple command ships and/or radically different command ship design (i.e., 5 Deuterium Drive, 3 Pulse Drive, 1 Command Deck, 1 Command Staff, 1 Computer Module, 1 Commlinks, 1 Scanners) to keep Fleet Init up.
- Mirror/Plasma Sail-based fast Buster platforms to get into close range to nullify Avoid bonuses.
- Massed high IP/Dodge Buster platforms to do the same (e.g., 4 Deuterium Drive, 6 Pulse Drive, 1 Radiators, 1 Fission Busters).
Interesting thoughts. I'm going to see if I can rework the Aesir fleet a bit. Although I'm going away for two days (work) and hopefully Dis will have put out another Ship Designer Version by then...
Symphony D.
Deity
This is the basis of a sort of merger between (2) and (3):
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Starscream class Strike Bomber
3 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
4 Pulse Drive
1 Plasma Sail (Refined)
2 Heavy Fission Busters (Refined)
Cost: 39e (18e) / 17m / 20v / 0a / 0t / 19s
Size: 33 / Mass: 25 / IS: 0 / IP: 6
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 4
Init: 2 (10) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -7 / Shield: 2
Refine: 53e / 13s
Missile Total Damage: 40
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Megatron class Support Corvette
8 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
7 Pulse Drive
1 Radiators
1 Mag Catapult
9 Carbon Armor
Cost: 73e (33e) / 19m / 31v / 0a / 0t / 31s
Size: 75 / Mass: 35 / IS: 0 / IP: 9
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 2
Init: 2 (10) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -2 / Shield: 0
Refine: 103e / 26s
Catapult Total Damage: 8
Mass of Pushed Ship: 20 (5+) / 29 (4+)
Catapult Mass Limit +4 IP T1: 35
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Soundwave class Command Corvette
7 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
6 Pulse Drive
1 Command Deck
1 Command Staff
1 Computer
1 Commlinks
1 Scanners
1 Gas Vents
Cost: 85e (38e) / 16m / 89v / 0a / 0t / 40s
Size: 62 / Mass: 33 / IS: 0 / IP: 8
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 4
Init: 4 (12) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -6 / Shield: 0
Refine: 145e / 36s
Init Bonus to Fleet: 8
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IP 10 on Megatron-driven Starscreams is ridiculously fast, and Megatron itself can almost keep up at IP 9. Both have maxed out dodge without Water Suspension. Soundwave is a little slower, but is likewise survivable. You'll have to build some carriers to haul them around, ideally some cheap External Hangar jobs designed to blow apart for instant release (call them Astrotrains). EW scores are abysmal across the board but on the flipside these designs are cheap and fast as hell, and refinement costs are pretty bargain-basement.
I'll look into actually portioning out a fleet later.
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Starscream class Strike Bomber
3 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
4 Pulse Drive
1 Plasma Sail (Refined)
2 Heavy Fission Busters (Refined)
Cost: 39e (18e) / 17m / 20v / 0a / 0t / 19s
Size: 33 / Mass: 25 / IS: 0 / IP: 6
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 4
Init: 2 (10) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -7 / Shield: 2
Refine: 53e / 13s
Missile Total Damage: 40
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Megatron class Support Corvette
8 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
7 Pulse Drive
1 Radiators
1 Mag Catapult
9 Carbon Armor
Cost: 73e (33e) / 19m / 31v / 0a / 0t / 31s
Size: 75 / Mass: 35 / IS: 0 / IP: 9
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 2
Init: 2 (10) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -2 / Shield: 0
Refine: 103e / 26s
Catapult Total Damage: 8
Mass of Pushed Ship: 20 (5+) / 29 (4+)
Catapult Mass Limit +4 IP T1: 35
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Soundwave class Command Corvette
7 Deuterium Drive (Refined)
6 Pulse Drive
1 Command Deck
1 Command Staff
1 Computer
1 Commlinks
1 Scanners
1 Gas Vents
Cost: 85e (38e) / 16m / 89v / 0a / 0t / 40s
Size: 62 / Mass: 33 / IS: 0 / IP: 8
Range: 0 / Power: 0 / Heat: 4
Init: 4 (12) / Dodge: 6 / Avoid: 0 / Armor: -6 / Shield: 0
Refine: 145e / 36s
Init Bonus to Fleet: 8
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IP 10 on Megatron-driven Starscreams is ridiculously fast, and Megatron itself can almost keep up at IP 9. Both have maxed out dodge without Water Suspension. Soundwave is a little slower, but is likewise survivable. You'll have to build some carriers to haul them around, ideally some cheap External Hangar jobs designed to blow apart for instant release (call them Astrotrains). EW scores are abysmal across the board but on the flipside these designs are cheap and fast as hell, and refinement costs are pretty bargain-basement.
I'll look into actually portioning out a fleet later.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Stunned - Ship cannot engage or flee its combat instances, fire weapons, make EW attacks, or provide Sail Pushing or Fleet Int. It can still provide jamming and its avoid/shield/dodge/armour are not altered.
Although 'Disrupt' requires a higher EW vulnerability than lockdown 1, it's actually easier to do than any of the lockdown actions in terms of EW scores dueling with a raw difficulty 4/5ths of Lockdown 1. The EW section of the stats page will make this more obvious, but if you want to look at the difficulty for now its column Q on the battle calc engineering page.
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Heh, I spent 2 hours messing with the ship designer and wondering why my fleet was so strong before realizing I hadn't plugged my negative dodge into the battle calculator.
Question actually: why does dodge have such a large effect on dodging EM attacks? I mean, the attacks are moving at the speed of light, which means it's impossible for one to dodge them on purpose. I can see why very low values of dodge give EM attacks 100% accuracy (easy to aim at a sitting duck), but don't see why good dodge gives EM attacks 0% accuracy (it doesn't matter how fast you can move if you don't know where they're shooting). I guess you could say that EM attacks take long enough to charge that the defending fleet can dodge, but doesn't that fall more under the scope of initiative?
Fleet Design Coop
Built to abuse Symphony's low int; the int difference is large enough that the battle will never go into short-range. Was far, far more effective before I noticed dodge affects EM hitrate; now... well at least it doesn't lose fights very often.
Average casualties per battle for the second set of battles:
0.92 Cobras dead, 0.38 Cobras damaged, 0.08 Pythons damaged
versus
0.15 Chickens dead, 0.08 Foxes dead, 0.92 Foxes damaged
Ignoring damage (which is perhaps not that wise since the Fox will always get damaged), Coop would lose an average of 37 e per fight against Mad World's 176 e.
Spoiler Spreadsheet quirks :
Fleet Design Coop
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
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[b]Fleet Coop[/b]
[b][u]NAME NUM e s m v[/b][/u]
[i]Fox[/i] class 1x 200e 74s 62m 29v
[i]Chicken[/i] class 3x 387e 49s 174m 84v
[b]TOTAL: 587e 123s 236m 113v[/b]Built to abuse Symphony's low int; the int difference is large enough that the battle will never go into short-range. Was far, far more effective before I noticed dodge affects EM hitrate; now... well at least it doesn't lose fights very often.
Spoiler Battle results :
Spoiler More battle results :
Average casualties per battle for the second set of battles:
0.92 Cobras dead, 0.38 Cobras damaged, 0.08 Pythons damaged
versus
0.15 Chickens dead, 0.08 Foxes dead, 0.92 Foxes damaged
Ignoring damage (which is perhaps not that wise since the Fox will always get damaged), Coop would lose an average of 37 e per fight against Mad World's 176 e.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Combat happens at large distances and high speeds, 'dodge' is not fudgingg moving out of the way of things, its is the unpredictability of your ships position. With a high dodge they will shoot where you are not (thanks to the microseconds of light lag meaning you're a hundred meters back or forward on your main vector than where they think you'll be when the laser blast is sent).
I'm not sure what you're doing with the fleeing calculation - you're meant to use the engagement calculator at the top of the battle calc, and it won't give those sorts of results. With IP/Int of 1/12 vs 1/3 you'll have 60% chance of successfully fleeing, not the 10% you're postulated.
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I understand; my badly-phrased issue with dodge was that its effect on hit chance is so strangely linear, instead of something closer to an exponential. It does make for a nicer model though, so np.
Right, I completely missed that. I was looking at the rules for SysNES1 ("3. Missile phase over, the fleets can either attempt to move to close range, stay at long range or try to escape. Fleets roll D10+slowest speed+int against each other and the winner gets to choose what range they move to.")
But more importantly: I thought I saw something say that EW doesn't happen at long-range. I'm now pretty sure I just misread something. So does EW happen at long-range?
Edit, more spreadsheet quirks:
Much like how refined Shields provide a bonus in the spreadsheet without any power, Shield Array provides a 1 bonus without any power or shields.
Symphony D.
Deity
Not sure where you're getting your figures from; against -9 Dodge and 17 Init, EM with 10 Init at Long Range has a 9% chance to hit. Your assertion that "Cobras cannot damage anything" is thus totally inaccurate and while the connect odds are low, a single hit will utterly torch a Chicken. The Fox is however beyond targetting.
Further, if you're counting Coilguns as engaging in long range fire for some reason, both the Cobra and Python have hit chances on both the Fox and Chicken, and will likewise tear them up, although I'm not sure if the guns can be used in this fashion (though Stats doesn't rule against it at all). You only count the Python in this capacity.
I'd also like to point out that if you tweak Mad World a bit without having to deal with Poor Safety, it gets a lot meaner as you can fit just enough things to overcome these deficiencies. I am really starting to hate that pick.
Further, if you're counting Coilguns as engaging in long range fire for some reason, both the Cobra and Python have hit chances on both the Fox and Chicken, and will likewise tear them up, although I'm not sure if the guns can be used in this fashion (though Stats doesn't rule against it at all). You only count the Python in this capacity.
I'd also like to point out that if you tweak Mad World a bit without having to deal with Poor Safety, it gets a lot meaner as you can fit just enough things to overcome these deficiencies. I am really starting to hate that pick.
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You're absolutely right: I typed up the stats for a wrong version of Chicken. Removing the single plasma shield boosts Dodge to -8, giving the Cobras a 0% chance to hit. Edit: Fixed.
Should I not? Edit: Nevermind, I think I misunderstood that "if".
I don't think so? The Cobra has a total init of 3 (2+8-7). The Fox has 14 init (11+8-5) and -11 dodge, which according to the calculator means the Cobra can't hit it. The Chicken has 12 init and -8 dodge, which again means the Cobra can't hit it.
Though of course that means nothing if I was wrong and Electronic Warfare isn't restricted to short-range.
Symphony D.
Deity
Here's a non-Poor Safety version of the Cobra, with more toys.
Cobra I-A class Attack Frigate
1 Twist Drive
18 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Deuterium Drive
2 Pulse Drive
1 Computer Module
1 Scanners
13 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
12 Coilguns (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
3 Microwave Beamer (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Carbon Armor
1 Heavy Cladding
220e (92e) / 99m / 15v / 0a / 0t / 75s
Size: 84 / Mass: 84 / IS: 12 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 101 / Heat: -5
Init: 3 (11) / Dodge: -19 / Avoid: 12 / Armor: 16 / Shield: 32
Refine: 340e / 85s
EM Total Damage: 960L (3x22D through A50/S#)
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 24 (4x5D through A18/S1)
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 60
EW Vulnerability: 0
EW, Avoid, and Init go up. Dodge goes down a touch. Little else changes.
Cobra I-A class Attack Frigate
1 Twist Drive
18 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Deuterium Drive
2 Pulse Drive
1 Computer Module
1 Scanners
13 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
12 Coilguns (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
3 Microwave Beamer (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Carbon Armor
1 Heavy Cladding
220e (92e) / 99m / 15v / 0a / 0t / 75s
Size: 84 / Mass: 84 / IS: 12 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 101 / Heat: -5
Init: 3 (11) / Dodge: -19 / Avoid: 12 / Armor: 16 / Shield: 32
Refine: 340e / 85s
EM Total Damage: 960L (3x22D through A50/S#)
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 24 (4x5D through A18/S1)
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 60
EW Vulnerability: 0
EW, Avoid, and Init go up. Dodge goes down a touch. Little else changes.
EW is short-range only if both sides have Jammers. If you go into short range, you lose horribly. You also have to succeed at your EW roll to debuff init, which you probably won't.
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Right; my idea was based on the rule from SysNES1 that said that the winner of a D10+slowest IP+int gets to decide what range to move to. A large enough int gap could then mean never having to go into short-range.
Ah? The description says "Reduces opponents Int, EW roll to reduce it further". I thought the EW roll was just referring to the "Break Codes" passive action but opponent int was automatically reduced?
Symphony D.
Deity
Passive Actions occur outside of combat only. Presumably you'd be looking at Blank Sensors or False Info, and your EW scores aren't super-hot, while your vulnerabilities are huge.
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Right: I don't want to engage in EW at all. That's why I was asking if EW is restricted to short-range (where I don't want to end up), or can also happen at long range (where I hope to be).
But you say jammers don't automatically debuff int? From the description it'd seem that they do... if not, the whole Coop concept becomes undoable.
Symphony D.
Deity
MAD WORLD II
Interior lines rapid response defense. T3, CON4, Advancer, Poor Safety:
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Python II class Command Frigate
1 Twist Drive
14 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Light Sail
1 Command Deck
1 Command Staff
3 Computer Module
1 Commlinks
1 Scanners
8 Jammers
20 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
1 Algorithmic Interlocks
15 Coilgun (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Titanium Armor
15 Carbon Armor
1 Heavy Cladding
287e (129e) / 97m / 8v / 0a / 4t / 97s
Size: 86 / Mass: 77 / IS: 5 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 39 / Heat: -5
Init: 5 (13) / Dodge: -25 / Avoid: 15 / Armor: 32 / Shield: 16
Refine: 481e / 120s
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 30 (5x5D through A18/S1)
Init Bonus to Fleet: 8
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 90
EW Vulnerability: 0
Jammer Init Debuff: 6
Ship-to-Ship Boarding: -4
Notes: Immune to same tech-level Particle Weapons. 0% Hit Chance by FMs at Long Range through enemy 19 Init. 3% Hit Chance through enemy 20 Init.
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Cobra II class Attack Frigate
1 Twist Drive
18 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Light Sail
1 Computer Module
1 Scanners
14 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
15 Coilguns (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
3 Microwave Beamer (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Titanium Armor
219e (94e) / 94m / 7v / 0a / 0t / 75s
Size: 86 / Mass: 73 / IS: 13 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 98 / Heat: -5
Init: 3 (11) / Dodge: -22 / Avoid: 15 / Armor: 0 / Shield: 31
Refine: 340e / 85s
EM Total Damage: 930L (3x21D through A50/S#)
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 30 (5x5D through A18/S1)
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 64
EW Vulnerability: 0
Ship-to-Ship Boarding: -12
Notes: Immune to same tech-level Particle weapons. 0% Hit Chance by FMs at Long Range through enemy 18 Init. 8% Hit Chance through enemy 19 Init. Bit of a glass cannon now, but your goal is not to get hit anyway.
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A little bit over APR-wise. 1% isn't too significant.
Totally immune to Coop's missiles at range. EM cannot hit Coop at range. However, despite the Init difference between Mad World II and Coop, because of their identical IP speeds, Mad World II has a 30% chance to engage and close to close-range. Coop will get successful hits in at this range but they will not be enough to kill Mad World II before its weapons completely tear Coop apart. Mad World II will almost certainly win EW engagements at this range as well.
I'm going to reckon that Mad World II is generally invulnerable against Particle, EW, and long-range Missiles with these developments. Now the only sure-fire way to kill it is close-range missile attacks, weird Viking boarding fleets, or cheaper laser platforms.
Interior lines rapid response defense. T3, CON4, Advancer, Poor Safety:
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Python II class Command Frigate
1 Twist Drive
14 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Light Sail
1 Command Deck
1 Command Staff
3 Computer Module
1 Commlinks
1 Scanners
8 Jammers
20 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
1 Algorithmic Interlocks
15 Coilgun (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Titanium Armor
15 Carbon Armor
1 Heavy Cladding
287e (129e) / 97m / 8v / 0a / 4t / 97s
Size: 86 / Mass: 77 / IS: 5 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 39 / Heat: -5
Init: 5 (13) / Dodge: -25 / Avoid: 15 / Armor: 32 / Shield: 16
Refine: 481e / 120s
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 30 (5x5D through A18/S1)
Init Bonus to Fleet: 8
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 90
EW Vulnerability: 0
Jammer Init Debuff: 6
Ship-to-Ship Boarding: -4
Notes: Immune to same tech-level Particle Weapons. 0% Hit Chance by FMs at Long Range through enemy 19 Init. 3% Hit Chance through enemy 20 Init.
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Cobra II class Attack Frigate
1 Twist Drive
18 Metal Capacitors (Refined)
1 Light Sail
1 Computer Module
1 Scanners
14 EW Broadcasters (Refined)
15 Coilguns (Refined) [TRI-COUPLED]
1 Lubricants (Refined)
1 Barrel Casings (Refined)
3 Microwave Beamer (Refined)
1 Plasma Shield
3 Titanium Armor
219e (94e) / 94m / 7v / 0a / 0t / 75s
Size: 86 / Mass: 73 / IS: 13 / IP: 1
Range: 0 / Power: 98 / Heat: -5
Init: 3 (11) / Dodge: -22 / Avoid: 15 / Armor: 0 / Shield: 31
Refine: 340e / 85s
EM Total Damage: 930L (3x21D through A50/S#)
Projectile Gun Total Damage: 30 (5x5D through A18/S1)
EW Attacks: YES
EW Score: 64
EW Vulnerability: 0
Ship-to-Ship Boarding: -12
Notes: Immune to same tech-level Particle weapons. 0% Hit Chance by FMs at Long Range through enemy 18 Init. 8% Hit Chance through enemy 19 Init. Bit of a glass cannon now, but your goal is not to get hit anyway.
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[b][u]REFINEMENT COSTS[/b][/u]
[b][u]NAME IND SCI[/b][/u]
Metal Capacitors 300e 100s
EW Broadcasters 300e 300s
Coilguns 300e 100s
Lubricants 400e 300s
Barrel Casings 400e 200s
Microwave Beamer 300e 100s
[b]TOTAL: 2000e 1100s[/b]
Code:
[b][u]Fleet MAD WORLD II[/b][/u]
[b][u]NAME NUM IND SCI MET VOL[/b][/u]
[i]Python II[/i] 1x 287e 97s 97m 8v
[i]Cobra II[/i] 2x 438e (219e) 75s 188m (94m) 14v (7v)
[b]TOTAL: 725e 172s 285m 22v[/b]
Code:
[b][u]TOTAL RESOURCE INVESTMENT[/b][/u]
s: 1272
e: 2725
m: 285
v: 22
Agg. Prod./Res.: 3032
t: 4
a: 0Totally immune to Coop's missiles at range. EM cannot hit Coop at range. However, despite the Init difference between Mad World II and Coop, because of their identical IP speeds, Mad World II has a 30% chance to engage and close to close-range. Coop will get successful hits in at this range but they will not be enough to kill Mad World II before its weapons completely tear Coop apart. Mad World II will almost certainly win EW engagements at this range as well.
I'm going to reckon that Mad World II is generally invulnerable against Particle, EW, and long-range Missiles with these developments. Now the only sure-fire way to kill it is close-range missile attacks, weird Viking boarding fleets, or cheaper laser platforms.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Yes.
They're providing shields without surplus power, they still increase the power demands.
Sorry that's a bit of legacy text from the old way EW worked. Jammers do provide an automatic int reduction, listed on the main page of the Ship designer.
I am considering making the Jammer score of ship reduce the Fleet Int it can provide in some way. So your jamming will hit your Fleet Int and the enemies total Int.
SS Berserker
1 x Deuterium Drive (Ref)
1 x Pulse Drive (Ref)
1 x Fusion Buster (Ref)
Refining the ship as well reduces the e cost to 8 a piece. You need 15 for each of the Cobra and Pythons to guarantee round 1 destruction, and you will take 70-100% losses to do so, however that is spending 120e to kill a 240e ship. Unlike most of the highly specific counters, this is cheap enough to design that I think it's actually a viable military option (and you'll not mind refining those components for use elsewhere), and you can always use the Berserker as a small planetary bombardment craft later on.
In addition, the capacitor fleets need for bases means the carrier for the Berserker fleet can arrive at an uninhabited world of the system and release the Berserker assault the following year whilst staying safe itself.
Symphony D.
Deity
I like the elegance of that. It seems right that it takes simplicity and quantity to hard counter high complexity and quality.
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