woody60707
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Yep that whole thread that was 9 pages long about that tribe in the Amazon, that was a hoax put out by anti-logging people!!! http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91536
Why am I being lied (I mean blatant) by the news so often now of days.
Previously uncontacted tribe photographed Amazon, A HOAX!
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Yep that whole thread that was 9 pages long about that tribe in the Amazon, that was a hoax put out by anti-logging people!!! http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91536
Why am I being lied (I mean blatant) by the news so often now of days.
scy12
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Secret of the 'lost' tribe that wasn't
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/amazon
Tribal guardian admits the Amazon Indians' existence was already known, but he hoped the publicity would lift the threat of logging
In pictures: the remote Amazonian tribe
* Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
* The Observer,
* Sunday June 22, 2008
* Article history
Lost tribe found in Brazil
Warriors from the Amazon basin tribe, above, paint their bodies red and fire arrows to ward off the plane carrying José Carlos Meirelles, who says that he released the picture in order to highlight the plight of indigenous people in the jungle
They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an 'undiscovered tribe' in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.
Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.
The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, José Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas – experts on indigenous tribes – working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.
In his first interviews since the disclosure of the tribe's existence, Meirelles described how he found the group, detailed how they lived and how he planned the publicity to protect them and other tribes in similar danger of losing the habitat in which they have flourished for hundreds of years.
Meirelles admitted that the tribe was first known about almost a century ago and that the apparently chance encounter that produced the now famous images was no accident. 'When we think we might have found an isolated tribe,' he told al-Jazeera, 'a sertanista like me walks in the forest for two or three years to gather evidence and we mark it in our [global positioning system]. We then map the territory the Indians occupy and we draw that protected territory without making contact with them. And finally we set up a small outpost where we can monitor their protection.'
But in this case Meirelles appears, controversially, to have gone out to seek and find the uncontacted tribe in an area where it was known to be living.
According to his account, the Brazilian state of Acre offered him the use of an aircraft for three days. 'I had years of GPS co-ordinates,' he said. Meirelles had another clue to the tribe's precise location. 'A friend of mine sent me some Google Earth co-ordinates and maps that showed a strange clearing in the middle of the forest and asked me what that was,' he said. 'I saw the co-ordinates and realised that it was close to the area I had been exploring with my son – so I needed to fly over it.'
For two days, Meirelles says, he flew a 150km-radius route over the border region with Peru and saw huts that belonged to isolated tribes. But he did not see people. 'When the women hear the plane above, they run into the forest, thinking it's a big bird,' he said. 'This is such a remote area, planes don't fly over it.'
What he was looking for was not only proof of life, but firm evidence that the tribes in this area were flourishing – proof in his view that the policy of no contact and protection was working. On the last day, with only a couple hours of flight time remaining, Meirelles spotted a large community.
'When I saw them painted red, I was satisfied, I was happy,' he said. 'Because painted red means they are ready for war, which to me says they are happy and healthy defending their territory.'
Survival International, the organisation that released the pictures along with Funai, conceded yesterday that Funai had known about this nomadic tribe for around two decades. It defended the disturbance of the tribe saying that, since the images had been released, it had forced neighbouring Peru to re-examine its logging policy in the border area where the tribe lives, as a result of the international media attention. Activist and former Funai president Sydney Possuelo agreed that – amid threats to their environment and doubt over the existence of such tribes – it was necessary to publish them.
But the revelation that the existence of the tribe was already established will provoke awkward questions over why a decision was made to try to photograph them – a form of contact in itself – in order to make a political point.
Meirelles, one of only five or so genuine sertanistas, has no regrets, arguing that the pictures and video released to the world were powerful and indisputable evidence to those who say isolated tribes no longer exist. 'Alan García [the President of Peru] declared recently that the isolated Indians were a creation in the imagination of environmentalists and anthropologists – now we have the pictures.'
But he is determined to keep the tribe's location secret – even under torture, he says. 'They can decide when they want contact, not me or anyone else.'
Maybe not lost but still quite isolated.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/amazon
Tribal guardian admits the Amazon Indians' existence was already known, but he hoped the publicity would lift the threat of logging
In pictures: the remote Amazonian tribe
* Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
* The Observer,
* Sunday June 22, 2008
* Article history
Lost tribe found in Brazil
Warriors from the Amazon basin tribe, above, paint their bodies red and fire arrows to ward off the plane carrying José Carlos Meirelles, who says that he released the picture in order to highlight the plight of indigenous people in the jungle
They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an 'undiscovered tribe' in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.
Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.
The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, José Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas – experts on indigenous tribes – working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.
In his first interviews since the disclosure of the tribe's existence, Meirelles described how he found the group, detailed how they lived and how he planned the publicity to protect them and other tribes in similar danger of losing the habitat in which they have flourished for hundreds of years.
Meirelles admitted that the tribe was first known about almost a century ago and that the apparently chance encounter that produced the now famous images was no accident. 'When we think we might have found an isolated tribe,' he told al-Jazeera, 'a sertanista like me walks in the forest for two or three years to gather evidence and we mark it in our [global positioning system]. We then map the territory the Indians occupy and we draw that protected territory without making contact with them. And finally we set up a small outpost where we can monitor their protection.'
But in this case Meirelles appears, controversially, to have gone out to seek and find the uncontacted tribe in an area where it was known to be living.
According to his account, the Brazilian state of Acre offered him the use of an aircraft for three days. 'I had years of GPS co-ordinates,' he said. Meirelles had another clue to the tribe's precise location. 'A friend of mine sent me some Google Earth co-ordinates and maps that showed a strange clearing in the middle of the forest and asked me what that was,' he said. 'I saw the co-ordinates and realised that it was close to the area I had been exploring with my son – so I needed to fly over it.'
For two days, Meirelles says, he flew a 150km-radius route over the border region with Peru and saw huts that belonged to isolated tribes. But he did not see people. 'When the women hear the plane above, they run into the forest, thinking it's a big bird,' he said. 'This is such a remote area, planes don't fly over it.'
What he was looking for was not only proof of life, but firm evidence that the tribes in this area were flourishing – proof in his view that the policy of no contact and protection was working. On the last day, with only a couple hours of flight time remaining, Meirelles spotted a large community.
'When I saw them painted red, I was satisfied, I was happy,' he said. 'Because painted red means they are ready for war, which to me says they are happy and healthy defending their territory.'
Survival International, the organisation that released the pictures along with Funai, conceded yesterday that Funai had known about this nomadic tribe for around two decades. It defended the disturbance of the tribe saying that, since the images had been released, it had forced neighbouring Peru to re-examine its logging policy in the border area where the tribe lives, as a result of the international media attention. Activist and former Funai president Sydney Possuelo agreed that – amid threats to their environment and doubt over the existence of such tribes – it was necessary to publish them.
But the revelation that the existence of the tribe was already established will provoke awkward questions over why a decision was made to try to photograph them – a form of contact in itself – in order to make a political point.
Meirelles, one of only five or so genuine sertanistas, has no regrets, arguing that the pictures and video released to the world were powerful and indisputable evidence to those who say isolated tribes no longer exist. 'Alan García [the President of Peru] declared recently that the isolated Indians were a creation in the imagination of environmentalists and anthropologists – now we have the pictures.'
But he is determined to keep the tribe's location secret – even under torture, he says. 'They can decide when they want contact, not me or anyone else.'
Maybe not lost but still quite isolated.
Leonel
Breakfast Connoisseur
I'm not surprised hippies would be lying to people.
QuoVadisNation
keeping your angel alive
Well, that stinks. I'll never trust an tree saving organization now after this.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Well, to be honest, I did think that one of those guys looked slightly familiar.
aelf
Ashen One
How did they lie??
skadistic
Caomhanach
So much for credibility.
LesCanadiens
Deity
So now we don't have to send in Starbucks and Wal Mart since the tribe already has them?
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Pannonius
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I'd hardly call this a lie. In all the news reports I saw it said the tribe was 'previously uncontacted'. It's obvious someone thought they were there, as that plane was flying real low, lower than it probably should be.
It doesn't read to me as a complete hoax....
LesCanadiens
Deity
This could hurt Obama politically.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
It's not a hoax at all. The frickin title of the article says "Tribal guardian admits the Amazon Indians' existence was already known".
Who cares if their existence was already known? It makes no damn difference to any of the discussion in the other thread, or anything worth discussing. So it wasn't an "unknown" tribe, some guy from the jungle already knew about it. It's still mostly uncontacted. Still needs to be protected.
It's not like these photos were staged in Hollywood or some crap like that, which is what people are making this "revelation" out to be. "Hoax" is an utterly inappropriate word. It's completely wrong.
Who cares if their existence was already known? It makes no damn difference to any of the discussion in the other thread, or anything worth discussing. So it wasn't an "unknown" tribe, some guy from the jungle already knew about it. It's still mostly uncontacted. Still needs to be protected.
It's not like these photos were staged in Hollywood or some crap like that, which is what people are making this "revelation" out to be. "Hoax" is an utterly inappropriate word. It's completely wrong.
blackheart
unenlightened
Obama supports tribal isolationism and anarchy.
Masquerouge
Deity
I agree with Lucy. Looks like some media outlets are eager to turn this into some sort of scandal, but the tribe is still uncontacted.
The Fishman
Resident Megalomaniac
Of course they knew they were there, how did they find them? 'Uncontacted' doesn't mean 'unknown', it just means that the tribe refuses to become part of the rest of the world.
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Ummm. who said it was a lost tribe? Not a single source about it I read. I even remember them saying they knew of the tribe before it was photographed. The story was about it being a photographed uncontacted tribe.
So some people completely misunderstand news stories and that misunderstanding means the story was a hoax? I don't think so.
So some people completely misunderstand news stories and that misunderstanding means the story was a hoax? I don't think so.
