Prove God Exists - Act Three

[King Alexander]

PS: Your question wasn't well thought out, at all. How can you critize us for a question you can't answer with your theories.

At least, I CAN say that I'm trying to find out and do my best, where you just accepted what you've beed told.

 

[The Person]

I'm sorry if this has been pointed out already, but isn't there a saying that "a god that can be proved isn't a god". That way these threads will never end.

 

[kulade]

At least, I CAN say that I'm trying to find out and do my best, where you just accepted what you've beed told.

ACCEPTED WHAT WEVE BEEN TOLD?

I have expirenced God before I have felt him I know there is a God!

You accept what yove been told in biology class listening to anything the teachers says! Have you expirenced evolution? Have you seen a fish move on land, or the relations between a humpback and a bumble bee? Please! Think about what well ask you back, think harder.

 

[kulade]

I'm sorry if this has been pointed out already, but isn't there a saying that "a god that can be proved isn't a god". That way these threads will never end.

1. God is faith, but you can still prove him

2. Yes these ridiculous threads will go on and on

 

[LesCanadiens]

Seriously, how is this trolling allowed to be posted? Trolling is posting something with the specific intention of stirring up negative responses from posters, well this crap certainly fits the bill.

Mods, lock it. And make further such threads a bannable offence.

 

[kulade]

Seriously, how is this trolling allowed to be posted? Trolling is posting something with the specific intention of stirring up negative responses from posters, well this crap certainly fits the bill.

Mods, lock it. And make further such threads a bannable offence.

This is how all these threads end out. So sad , just wished they'd stop popping up.

 

[King Alexander]

Have you seen it? Seems a silly to give a test if you haven't the answers with which to grade a response!

So, answer me this, who or what created the effect of time?

No I haven't But I'm doing my best to find out. Nobody can tell for sure what the exact conditions were(even scientists have many theories), but they keep searching and making progress all the time. Thanks to the scientific discoveries, we can learn how to cure diseases/cancers, get to know how our DNA works, learn more about how the universe was created. All these discoveries take time, and even extremely genious people have a difficult time to understand those discoveries.

Do you feel that it's simple for the average Joe, to understand all that with the first try? Maybe he's scared because his beliefs are falling apart, but when he gets sick, he goes to search for the best method/discovery to get cured(there he accepts/admires science )

As a Christian i can only say this: God sent Jesus at the perfect time at the perfect place that could in change, glorify him the most. But since you dont believe in a god, there is no way of convincing you with this here.

What makes you think, that time was the perfect one? A perfect time where the christians were been eated by lions in stadiums? That's not very humanitarian, you know...

 

[kulade]

No I haven't But I'm doing my best to find out. Nobody can tell for sure what the exact conditions were(even scientists have many theories), but they keep searching and making progress all the time. Thanks to the scientific discoveries, we can learn how to cure diseases/cancers, get to know how our DNA works, learn more about how the universe was created. All these discoveries take time, and even extremely genious people have a difficult time to understand those discoveries.

1. Im doing my best to follow God
2. Scentists can kepp looking, but the only answer is a being on a higher dimension, a powerful force.
3. Are you saying its not Christian to belive in DNA and genetics?

Do you feel that it's simple for the average Joe, to understand all that with the first try? Maybe he's scared because his beliefs are falling apart, but when he gets sick, he goes to search for the best method/discovery to get cured(there he accepts/admires science )

Sorry if i confused you
Man breathes oxygen. GASP Oh no! Thats accepting science too! And SHRIEK! Deigests food too! Oh my gosh!

What makes you think, that time was the perfect one? A perfect time where the christians were been eated by lions in stadiums? That's not very humanitarian, you know...

1. Chsistian didn'rt exist until Christ
2. Best time to come is when people are in need, but the Jews have been in need since Eygpt until now. But thats not my point. We might never know why God chose that time. Plain & simple.

 

[King Alexander]

You accept what yove been told in biology class listening to anything the teachers says! Have you expirenced evolution? Have you seen a fish move on land, or the relations between a humpback and a bumble bee? Please! Think about what well ask you back, think harder.

Ha! You accept what you've been TOLD for biology in class? No, my friend, that HAS been proved. Science don't tell stories without evidence. Science means RESEARCH. Take a look at the research at DNA at genes.

Unlike many of you who NEVER read or been informed enough about the reseach/projects that've been PROOVED, I CAN say that I read the Bibles and apocalypsis

What do you think? Because I don't accept religion, that doesn't mean that I don't read religion books. I use my logic to decide what is right or wrong and I definetly haven't my eyes/ears closed to anything new. That's what made us the rulers of our planet above animals: WE USE OUR BRAIN.

EDIT:

3. Are you saying its not Christian to belive in DNA and genetics?

Exactly. That comes in full antithesis with what your writings say. You don't even be "permitted" to accept that, because your indirectly offend your god and his creations.

 

[Vancouver 2010]

It is scientifically impossible to prove or disprove the existance of dieties with our level of technology. Therefore, those who believe that an all-powerful god exists will continue to believe in his/her existance, and those who do not believe that an all-powerful god exists will continue to disbelieve in his/her existance, because neither side will find any conclusive proof which will sway them to the opposite side. (Personally, I am in the latter category, but that's not the main point.)

There's my "proof" (if you want to call it as such, even though it doesn't actually prove either the theist or atheist side right).

Why do you guys insist on vainly trying to resolve a question which cannot be conclusively resolved at the present time? Religionists will insist on the existance of deities. Atheists will insist on the nonexistance of deities. Neither side can conclusively prove that they are right. And even if they could, the other side would be too stubborn to listen. Give up already. This is the 2nd or 3rd "prove god doesn't exist" thread to match the 2nd "prove god exists" thread. Every time the starter of the thread claims it's the responsibility of the other group to prove that god does (or for atheists, does not) exist. Face it people: it's just not gonna happen. There are much better topics to pick and fight over without resulting in a decisive conclusion; so why do you insist on reviving this one!?!

My reply to PGE3 is the same as my reply to PGE2 (first quote) and PGDE1 (second quote). Hopefully you all realize this is a dead-end discussion...

 

[stormbind]

No I haven't But I'm doing my best to find out. Nobody can tell for sure what the exact conditions were(even scientists have many theories), ... Maybe he's scared because his beliefs are falling apart, but when he gets sick, he goes to search for the best method/discovery to get cured(there he accepts/admires science )

What do you mean by Scientist?

A great number of intelectuals believe in God. I studied Physics, doesn't that make me a scientist too?

There is no Science vs Religion, except among those who are close minded

 

[kulade]

Ha! You accept what you've been TOLD for biology in class? No, my friend, that HAS been proved. Science don't tell stories without evidence. Science means RESEARCH. Take a look at the research at DNA at genes.

1. If God had no exidence WOW! no one would believe in him.
2. Looking at DNA means you have DNA, it doesn't mean your great great granddad was a chimp.

Unlike many of you who NEVER read or been informed enough about the reseach/projects that've been PROOVED, I CAN say that I read the Bibles and apocalypsis

1. We are not stupid and afraid of Scence, overwise we wouldn't be posting here.
2. i read scientific books as much as the Bible.

What do you think? Because I don't accept religion, that doesn't mean that I don't read religion books. I use my logic to decide what is right or wrong and I definetly haven't my eyes/ears closed to anything new. That's what made us the rulers of our planet above animals: WE USE OUR BRAIN.

1. Becasue i dont accept evolution doesn't mean i dont read books on it
2. With no God there is no right and wrong
3. I would like to piont out that not all religionist are stupid! WOW! We graduate from colledge, become teachers, read science books! NO WAY! Hard to believe, isn't it? We dont deny science. We just see there (1) no enogh prove in evolution, (2) no way we can exist w/o a god and (3) personally know God exists.

 

[The Person]

1. God is faith, but you can still prove him

2. Yes these ridiculous threads will go on and on

1. Proof denies faith. How can you have faith in something that has been proved?

2. Sadly, that's true. But a good way to stop them is to not post in them!

There is no Science vs Religion, except among those who are close minded

That's good point. Let people who don't share your point of view have theirs. As long as it doesn't hurt you, it's perfectly OK.

Anyway, I'll do as I suggested. I'm outta here.

 

[kulade]

2. Sadly, that's true. But a good way to stop them is to not post in them!
Anyway, I'll do as I suggested. I'm outta here.

I quit this thread too.

 

[King Alexander]

I never said that religious people are stupid.

How I view things:

I critisise everything and eveyone(criticism by Greek, means that you look at both negatives/positives, and decide what's crap and not). That means, of course, that I haven't ANY kind of "taboos". I critisise religions, "Gods", scientists, politics, etc...
I then use my logic to decide what is worthy to be (possibly) accepted.

I don't believe in ANY theory 100%, because that's keeping my mind CLOSE to new things/ideas.
I don't care if someone hates Communism: it has positives and negatives.
I don't care if someone hates Capitalism: it has positives and negatives.
It is our responsibility to balance and adopt things from different theories, so we make our current living better for ALL the people.
Same goes with Christianity, Muslims, Bhudda and so on...

I try to hear/read many different sources of information before I make my mind on something(and I always am "open" in new things). That means, that I don't been informed only by Greek sources, but from around the world. Nobody can claim that he's been well informed when hearing ONLY what the president of his country/the media of his country have been told to him or are telling him.

 

[Perfection]

How do you know that God didn't create the linear effect you know as time? Hypothetically speaking... if God didn't create it, who did?

Who? That presumes that the only explanation for linear time is some sort of intelligence! However, you are correct, intelligence did create linear time, us! Consider this, we can express the universe mathematically in many ways, we can express time going forward, going backward, or we can have all time viewed together and go sweeping through the points that create the universe. These are all equally valid descriptions of the universe, but if they are all equally valid, why is one view (Linear forward directed time) correct, simple! That's the direction that algorythmic processes go through, it's how we calculate. So the notion of linear time is only a single perspective based on our experience. This gives the bias that all things must have a cause, however as quantum mechanics has proven, things can happen without cause! The whole notion of everything needing a cause is caused merely by your frame of reference!

What was the first thing? a cell? a rock? what created that? then what created that? God is not limited to our understanding and is believed to be an eleven dimensional being, not bound by time. Evolution, natural selection and all the other ideas need a base on what created them.
We know that to our understanding something can not create it self, yet we know that something exists, so something did create it self, right, at least that how it seems. A limitless God beyond our comprihinsion was not created. If a rock inventes it self, that is something i want to see, but a unmeasurable God, not bound by time is.. well... not bound by time, there for he had not bigining and will have no end. He is the alpha and omega. There, hope your happy.

This is another example of linear time bias! Think outside your algorythym, man!

As a Christian i can only say this: God sent Jesus at the perfect time at the perfect place that could in change, glorify him the most. But since you dont believe in a god, there is no way of convincing you with this here.

What makes this time better than others? Can you justify that it would be the perfect time?

Please, im getting sick of these threads, stop posting Oh and evolution is supposed to be on the recieving end of this thread.

If you don't like the thread, don't post, simple as that! Evolution is not supposed to be the recieving end in this thread, god is, why? Because that's what the thread title is. Additionally, disproving evolution does not prove god nor does proving god disprove evolution. So that debate is not the same as our debate. If you want to debate evolution start your own thread or dig an old one up!

I have expirenced God before I have felt him I know there is a God!

A great desire to experience god can produce a great incentive on the mind to find him!

You accept what yove been told in biology class listening to anything the teachers says!

Actually, I was intrigued by evolution when I first heard about it, and read much about it, by the time we discusseed in biology I was correcting the teacher's view on evolution!

Have you expirenced evolution? Have you seen a fish move on land, or the relations between a humpback and a bumble bee? Please! Think about what well ask you back, think harder.

Yes, I have experienced evolution! I see it every day when I look at nature, I see things in the process of evolution, much like Darwin and Llamark and other early evolutionists. Lastly this is about god not evolution!

1. God is faith, but you can still prove him

Then do it!

2. Yes these ridiculous threads will go on and on

Don't like it? Don't post here!

Seriously, how is this trolling allowed to be posted? Trolling is posting something with the specific intention of stirring up negative responses from posters, well this crap certainly fits the bill.

Mods, lock it. And make further such threads a bannable offence.

No, it's not intended to stir up negative responses, it serves to have meaningful conversations such as the one Stormbind and I had toward the end of the last thread! We disgreed, but I think we still had a meaningful conversation.

I gotta go to school know, I'll post more later!

 

[Smidlee]

Ok, I'll ask one more time to the believers: WHEN did your god started to exist(I clarify: the christian god). Maybe when this "new religion" was found by someone(probably a wise man like Ghandi, but Ghandi didn't ever claimed that he was the son of god) claimed to be the "messiah"?

EDIT: If god pre-existed WHAT made him send his son at that time and NOT before? Maybe he was ignorant for the past generations?

there is alays two main views down thur history on what is eternity:
1) the eternal God / creator
2) the eternal universe / creation
This is one reason why God forbid anyone make any graven image since this would tie the eternal God at the same level as the creation itself. most atheist and naturalists see the creation itself eternal and reject the Holy Creator.

The bible teaches about dispensationsal truths. another word for dispensation is economy so the bibical dispensation is the economy which God deals with man in that given time period. Most believe the a total of 7 dispensations in the bible with the last one yet in the future will combine the first 6 together. the seven dispensation are 1) Innocency 2) Conscience 3) human government 4)Promise 5) Law 6) Grace (the church age) 7)Kingdom . so Jesus came at the right time according to the plan of God after showing mankind that the religion and the Law even though is good can't save mankind or make him rightous.
As Paul put it the Law condemned man not because the law isn't good but that man wasn't.

As far as the topic:
When it comes down to proof if you don't believe God would used men to write his words in human lives than there is nothing that will change your mind that there is a God at all especially those who look at the stars at night and try to explain them away with their own reasoning. The real God used real people with all their faults and mistake to reach others to the saving knowledge of His Grace. I can't think of a better way God could have reached mankind than by revealing his word thought other men who came to the knowledge of the Mercy and Grace of God.So the bible is God's word given to mankind written by godly men.

Just look at the heavens at night or study the miracle of life itself reveals the power of the Creator but yet though the hardness of people hearts they have tried in vain to explain all this away.

 

[Iggy]

Just look at the heavens at night or study the miracle of life itself reveals the power of the Creator but yet though the hardness of people hearts they have tried in vain to explain all this away.

I think you will find it is more something to do with hard thought process rather than ones heart.

 

[Mise]

What I want to know is, if it is possible for God to have always existed, then how come it isn't possible for the universe to have always existed? Why do things all need to be created by something/from something/from nothing?

Also, what's the point of God existing now! He's done his job, he's made the universe, mankind, etc, why can't he just bugger off and leave us alone, instead of expecting us to believe in him based on the boring badly written scribbles of a 2000 year old biography, riddled as it is with inconsistencies. And what about all the other religions? Where do they fit in to all this? These questions, I'm sure, are old, and have probably been answered in the other threads (which I never followed), but could someone give/point me to some answers?

 

[Ballazic]

In fact, we are Perfect for the job! If they can convince us then the've probobly got a very very strong arguement!

No way buddy. A fool (or fools) have no reason and are a waste of time to debate with.