Prove God Exists - Act Three

[Blasphemous]

@ioww: Phydeaux is a religionist that posted earlier in this series of threads... He wrote about times when he wanted something of god (or something like that) and then it happened. In one such case he was working outside near water and the mosquitoes were bothering him. He told god that he wishes a dragonfly would come and chase the mosquitoes away, and then a bit later a dragonfly appeared.
This can be intrepreted as proof for god, but only if you're biased enough to ignore the simpler possibility, that it was a coincidence.

Regarding the whole multiverse thing, it doesn't make much sense to me that just because there are multiple universes, every possible outcome must happen. I simply don't accept that. Just because something is theoretically possible, or even just possible to imagine, doesn't mean it must have happened in an infinite multiverse.
What you have is a very big pile of suppositions that you use to support this claim that anomalies + patch-ups are a good way to prove the existacne of some sort of deity.
And anyway, even if this theory is correct and we are in a virtual universe created by powerful aliens outside our universe, this is by no means proof of god in the classical sense. In fact, it would probably completely refute what the monotheistic faiths believe, because their mystical deity would be replaced by a race of flesh-and-blood beings superior to us in technology.

EDIT: Just to make my point, I might add that it's theoritcally possible that in this multiverse with super-advanced races of aliens playing with virtual universes (let's call tehm "the Creators", there is another, more advanced race ("the Destoryers"), that has already eradicated all of the members of the Creators. It's theortically possible, right? But it entirely contradicts with the theory that the Creators may be our gods. And in this multiverse where everything that can happen, has happened, the Destroyers have killed the Creators. Perhaps they also destoyed all the virtual universes.

 

[Samson]

Regarding the whole multiverse thing, it doesn't make much sense to me that just because there are multiple universes, every possible outcome must happen. I simply don't accept that. Just because something is theoretically possible, or even just possible to imagine, doesn't mean it must have happened in an infinite multiverse.

I am not really an expert on infinity theory, but I think that it does (if it is possible, rather than just imaginable). Just like if you have an infinite number of monkeys hits typewriter keys, 1 will come up with the works of shakespeare.

What you have is a very big pile of suppositions that you use to support this claim that anomalies + patch-ups are a good way to prove the existacne of some sort of deity.

You certainly have suppositions, but I am not sure it is such a big pile. The main on is that you have a big (tending towards infinity?) multiverse. Another is that it is possible to simulate a universe with the accuracy we percive this one. I think that is all for there to be at least a chance of us being in a simulated universe.

And anyway, even if this theory is correct and we are in a virtual universe created by powerful aliens outside our universe, this is by no means proof of god in the classical sense. In fact, it would probably completely refute what the monotheistic faiths believe, because their mystical deity would be replaced by a race of flesh-and-blood beings superior to us in technology.

Indeead, but they created the universe, and are all powerfull within this universe. Is that not close enough to god for you?

EDIT: Just to make my point, I might add that it's theoritcally possible that in this multiverse with super-advanced races of aliens playing with virtual universes (let's call tehm "the Creators", there is another, more advanced race ("the Destoryers"), that has already eradicated all of the members of the Creators. It's theortically possible, right? But it entirely contradicts with the theory that the Creators may be our gods. And in this multiverse where everything that can happen, has happened, the Destroyers have killed the Creators. Perhaps they also destoyed all the virtual universes.

Yeah, but if they destroyed all the universes, then we are not in that one. All possibilities are possible, but we have to be in one that fits our experience.

 

[onejayhawk]

One inquires what would constitute valid proof? True the story of the mosquitoes and a dragonfly can be easily dismissed. Indeed, bizarrely unlikely events occur constantly, eg every lottery winner. Yet if you wish to be fair, then you need to provide some sort of standard which would constitute coincidence stretch too far, resulting in supposition of causality. In the instance case, we have one person who has tested the matter to his own satisfaction. At what point can you claim such testing is invalid? Clearly you have, but on what basis?

J