Provo

[Perfection]

The problem with Provo is it is his way or the highway and if he doesn't get what he wants he starts doing very ugly things.

I wouldn't be averse to Provo having some power under the following conditions:
There are a few people who are checks to his power. Not neccerilly me, but people we can trust to be reasonable.
He sets up a reasonable discourse before trying to implement game altering systems and gives some warning a few days before he intends a vote.
He promises not to leave because of petty squabbling.

 

[Perfection]

Please, let the Fiftychatters have a go at it. I am out, and I am not coming back.

For a person who is not coming back you sure come back a lot.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

The only person who wants him back according to this thread is you and flamingzaroc.

The rest of us simply haven't said anything. I would like to see him back because I know what a good job Provo does with details, e.g. the factbook. That's my motivation.

 

[Red Door]

Please, let the Fiftychatters have a go at it. I am out, and I am not coming back.

I think that Splime and Methos should be GM, neither of which are regulars at #fiftychat.

The rest of us simply haven't said anything. I would like to see him back because I know what a good job Provo does with details, e.g. the factbook. That's my motivation.

I just realized my stupidity and forgot there was a poll. But, when you look at that, it seems that the person in question doesn't want to come back, so what's the point.

 

[Provolution]

For a person who is not coming back you sure come back a lot.

I have gotten several PMs asking me to return here, but I am not coming back. Following the last 5-6 PMs, I decided to post in this thread bearing the abbreviation of my nick, which I think is fair enough considering that I reiterate my non-interest for running a game here. I also consider it fair enough to comment, given the numerous antebellum, derogatory remarks provided by the same group that instigated most of this situation.

Also, I do not see running a game here is simply worth the effort, given the response one gets for doing work, as opposed to doing no work.
I just did annual taxes for my firms this week, and I can assure you it was much more rewarding than trying to help run this game. I also fired two of the younger programmers last week, simply because I had it with that age group and their disorganized ways, which made me feel really good.

However, that said, I am curious to see how this is handled from here, now that organized flaming, vote-rigging, filibusters and criticism of conducted work are not treasured skill-sets anymore.

However, please consider me gone, permanently. Please find two-three useful GMs that can do the work and make interesting and detailed events.
Next time, you would hopefully not flame productive personalities driving the game and wait yet another quarter for the forum messiahs to pop up and run the game. The core requirement for this game to run, is to have a productive GM that creates an immersive gameworld and breathes life into it, and then sits back and just observe. That was what I tried to do, not about the power.


This time, I voted with the "Fiftychat Mafia", which sort of gave me a kick.

Final advise to the productive and nonflaming types here, I would rather use the brains and brawn to set up a firm, than playing here, and start earn some good money. Corporate life is power, and you can incur losses to your adversaries that is outside forum space, and proportionate to your real impact, not forum impact. That is a world where chat-groups are worth nada, and a much more welcome place to be (even in spite of fierce competition).

 

[LightFang]

I wonder how you found the time to work at your law firm and type up huge Factbook entries at the same time.

 

[Provolution]

I wonder how you found the time to work at your law firm and type up huge Factbook entries at the same time.

First out, it is a legal tech software firm (software for legal services).

I think you are a bright girl Lightfang, so I will give you a sort of compliment on your future projections. When you get a master degree and then some, your general insight and productivity goes much faster. That factbook was paper-thin compared to some stuff I normally do. The facts and background was extrapolated from OECD statistics on comparable regions:

Nurlsk - St. Petersburg, Russia
Cook Island - Midlands, UK
New Alexandria - New South Wales, Australia
New Fanatica - Bay Area, California/South Africa

The history was extrapolated from wikipedia and other articles and fused with the consensus of 3-4 main contributors. Otherwise, it was quick reorganization of the thread on a running basis. Quite simple, actually.

What amazed me, was the laziness and big egos (not allowing oneself to step down) that caused the issue in the first place, not the moderate efforts to set up the game.

 

[Provolution]

The problem with Provo is it is his way or the highway and if he doesn't get what he wants he starts doing very ugly things.

I wouldn't be averse to Provo having some power under the following conditions:
There are a few people who are checks to his power. Not neccerilly me, but people we can trust to be reasonable.
He sets up a reasonable discourse before trying to implement game altering systems and gives some warning a few days before he intends a vote.
He promises not to leave because of petty squabbling.

I am not going to usurp your position again, ever, if you could call it a position. However, I am quite amused you are posing me an ultimatum for the eventual reentry into the forum version of Dantes Inferno. I tried to compromise, until you decided to rig a vote per chat and bring in voters that I never saw posting/registering before I saw their many votes. If you feel that these sudden mercenary votes are more legitimate votes than regular posters, please feel free to do so, I will not stand in your way.

For the reasonable discourse? I posted the same questions weeks ahead, with no answer. Just to get the game going, I took a series of necessary executive decisions, as if further running the game with absent GMs, run it via an anarchist committee or simply listening to the most aggressive complainers would not carry a good game. For the petty squabbling? I would rather see it as a centrally organized flaming campaign that is heavily documented in chat, PMs and forums, and a sordid way of dominating and controlling a game with a passive-aggressive chatgroup population that could not care anything less about the gameworld and the non-chat gamers.

For the checks of power ? I proposed to have a group of 3 GMs to agree on events, and you objected to the idea and said it was not really necessary, and would complicate the process. I also proposed to segregate the person making the events from the person making the outcomes. You objected to that as well.

I rather drink 5 bottles of 80 % vodka and try to recreate the flying of an airliner into another New York Skyskraper than trying to GM this lot. At least the above mentioned action would render more understanding and thankfulness.

For doing very ugly things ? At least I did something useful for the game, and did not organize other people to flame and rig votes in my direction. I took all the verbal battles on my own without having a swarm around me to wear someone down. Trying to pin blame to me for this continous standstill is not my fault, if you were half the man you claim to be, this game would be already running (beyond the 4 liner nudity event) with a living gameworld and several different parties and solid game rules.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

People, please... more infighting is going to do absolutely no good whatsoever. It's clear that Provo does not wish to return, ergo the question is settled. Now, if we wish to restart the game from scratch and select new GMs, then so be it. Bringing up old conflicts will not improve the game one iota, and neither will fresh arguments change anyone's opinion.

 

[Red Door]

I am not going to usurp your position again, ever, if you could call it a position. However, I am quite amused you are posing me an ultimatum for the eventual reentry into the forum version of Dantes Inferno. I tried to compromise, until you decided to rig a vote per chat and bring in voters that I never saw posting/registering before I saw their many votes. If you feel that these sudden mercenary votes are more legitimate votes than regular posters, please feel free to do so, I will not stand in your way.

That vote was not rigged, 15 voters, 2 of them controversially, voted for, 12 against. Unless your vote counted in that vote. (You were a GM, not a player). Even with the 2 controversial vote, abstract wins 13-12.

For the reasonable discourse? I posted the same questions weeks ahead, with no answer. Just to get the game going, I took a series of necessary executive decisions, as if further running the game with absent GMs, run it via an anarchist committee or simply listening to the most aggressive complainers would not carry a good game. For the petty squabbling? I would rather see it as a centrally organized flaming campaign that is heavily documented in chat, PMs and forums, and a sordid way of dominating and controlling a game with a passive-aggressive chatgroup population that could not care anything less about the gameworld and the non-chat gamers.

First off, these questions weren't posed 75% of the time. Second off, the organized flaming campaign has been proved non-existant several times, and most people have moved on, except for you. The chat group that you talk about, you were part of it for a while. I don't know if you recall that, but you were present in #fiftychat most of the time before you became GM.

For doing very ugly things ? At least I did something useful for the game, and did not organize other people to flame and rig votes in my direction. I took all the verbal battles on my own without having a swarm around me to wear someone down. Trying to pin blame to me for this continous standstill is not my fault, if you were half the man you claim to be, this game would be already running (beyond the 4 liner nudity event) with a living gameworld and several different parties and solid game rules.

We would have several different parties if the Conservative Party hadn't been driven away by what they considered meaningless details, the PLP hadn't been told to join another game, and etc. This game is rescueable if we re-start from scratch, but you seem to rather focus on telling us how certain people killed the game. I took responsibility for my share, now be a man, and take responsibility for what you have done. If you would rather not man up, and instead post on the game is ruined, then I think I speak for most of us when I say that you're not welcome here in Model Parliament, or you'll do your part to hold down the game.

 

[Ball Lightning]

I'm fine with him back if he listens and does what the majority wants.

 

[Methos]

Moderator Action: Poster specific which isn't allowed. Thread closed!