PTW succession game

[jb1964]

The Ottomans are in awe of our culture, which means that they are totally uncultured swine. And a flip isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion. It's just likely.

It would be an interesting experiment and we’d get gems for a turn or two. The big cost would be the 30 sheilds for a settler. It seems like it’s worth a shot.

I vote for putting the FP in Fez. We can chop the trees to get a city improvement that would lower corruption and open up land to be worked. Plus, I don't see another city we could get to population 6+ with as good of terrain as Fez. I say pick an improvement, chop the trees and build the FP ASAP.

 

[rrau]

Hi, I think I'm up. Where's the save?

Some questions:

Is it worth the $$ to rush a courthouse in Fez, or save it for upgrades/tech purchases and just chop a courthouse?

Who are we going to go to war with? If Otto, won't want to get an isolated town in the middle of his territory. If persia, will start galleys and some settlers. I think we'll have to raze the town with the gems, as close as it is to persia's capital, to prevent flips.

I'm off tomorrow Will wait for comments and play sometime in the afternoon.

 

[rrau]

also, what about Fushtan or Kharasat as FP locations (both on rivers with some flood plains)

 

[DJMGator13]

I haven't had time to look at the last turn set yet. I'm going to be gone this weekend, I'll be back Monday. So if my turn comes up prior to that & Zarth is eager to play, then just swap me with Zarth.

 

[jb1964]

The FP in Fushtan or Kharasat would put more cultural pressure on the Egyptians.

 

[rrau]

@jb1964 Where's the save?

 

[Zarth]

@jb1964 Where's the save?

The save was at the end of his report, here is the link
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/PTW_210_AD.SAV

I vote for the FP in Fustat, there are some nice green squares around it. Around Fez it's mostly plains and deserts.

 

[rrau]

sorry, but the link is not showing up on my computer (even on Zarth's post), can someone PM it to me or something or tell me what I need to do to see the link?


edit:
I tried looking in the uploads 7 folder and there are a couple posts with out names at about the time he posted that aren't downloadable. I don't see one with zarth in the title

 

[Zarth]

I dont know why you cant see the links, so I cant help you with that. I have uploaded the save in this post, can you download it now?

 

[rrau]

got it, thanks for attaching it

 

[rrau]

I'm about halfway through my turns and want to ask some advice on a trade. I personally hate giving gpt for techs, as a lot of times it slows down my research, but I know we want to buy engineering ASAP to start on chivalry, so will do what you guys want.

England and Spain have identical deals on the table for Engineering
Both want WM, 134g (all) and 16gpt

we're currently making 34 gpt

Babs are much more expensive

Could possibly buy it then sell but otto's are the only ones with cash - about 75. Might also be able to trade it with persia for gems - but then would not be able to dow on them for 20 turns.

Unfortunately, the ottoman cities by the gems have expanded their boundaries and we would need time for our borders to expand to get the gems.

Well, I'm going to go do some yardwork and will check back later and see what the verdict is.

 

[rrau]

preturn(210ad)

ibt Khursuran's borders expanded

turn 1(230ad)

Workman crew +3 NW
thanks for the nice set up of workers , we got irrigation to Aleppo this turn

ibt
zulu offers TM for TM - no thanks
damascus galley > settler (either for gems in Ottoman territory or new city when warring with ????)
Kufah galley > galley
Basra Market > galley
Aden riots (forgot to check F1)

turn 2(250ad)

Rush courthouse in Fustat (down to 2g in treasury). Will start FP here next turn. Chose this because it was getting 3spt before the courthouse

More roading and irrigating

Trade Zulu Monarchy for Literature, WM, & 20g as will need next turn and will switch Basra's galley to library

remembered to check F1

ibt
Persia wants ROP - nope as they are one of our possible targets in the near future
Baghdad Marketplace > library
Najran Marketplace > library
Fustat courthouse > FP in 40
Mosul Temple > worker as totally corrupt and some unimproved tiles are being worked

turn 3(260ad)

Switch Basra from galley to library
Started a chop in Fez with 2 workers so change to rax so no wasted shields
Started a chop in Najran with 2 workers to hurry library - will lose settler factory, but not using anymore anyway
MM Baghdad for library in 9 instead of 12 (traded more shields for less commerce)
Fired scientist in Fez and hired one Mosul

Treasury 47g + earning 28gpt

ibt
Medina Market > library

turn 4(270ad)

workers irrigating and roading
MM Fustat to keep FP in 39 (is there a governor on as when I hired the Scientist in Mosul, the next turn Fustat had switched a cit from a forest to an unimproved grassland without the city growing)

ibt
Damascus Settler > library

turn 5 (280ad)

loaded settler on galley to send to Otto's empire to get gems, but noticed they had cultural expansion. Will send settler in galley south instead to hopefully settle a razed spot when/if we go to war with Persia (I hate having idle settlers around)

Babs will trade engineering but would have to mortgage our next 20 turns - will wait and see if the price comes down

More roading and irrigating

ibt
Kufah galley > library

turn 6 (290)
More roading and irrigating
Possible trade - I don't know if it's good or not will stop and ask advice

well 24 hrs passed without any comments - will go ahead and do the trade

trade England 133g, wm, 16gpt for engineering
trade ottomans engineering for republic, wm, 72g
persia would be insulted for trading engineering for gems - must be close.

checked current number of units (91) and even though we're religous and have 1 turn anarchy, I don't think we can support the units right now.

Start 40 turn research on Monotheism (known by England, Spain, Scandanavia, and celts)


ibt
Bayt Ras flipped to persia

turn 7 (300ad)
roading and irrigating
MM khurasan and Bahlk to speed rax in Khurasan without losing growth, shields in balkh

ibt

renewed rop with Ottomans - notice they have learned Monotheism in the interturn - won't trade
renewed rop with Babylonians - they don't know Monotheism yet, if we can get it can trade with them - they have about 120g
Mecca colloseum > library and fired clown
Anjar Marketplace > barracks (?) couldn't decide what to build, but decided a rax at the choke would be good
Ottomans completed Sun Tzu's in Istanbul
Celts and Vikings cascaded to Great Library


turn 8 (310ad)
roading and irrigating

Ottomans are amassing troops on their side of the border - our military is weak compared to theirs

Move Hal (warrior) from Anjar to Merw to prevent tempting target of empty city

Celts would sell Mono, but only if we traded communications. Nope. (anyway Babs spent their money on something they now have 6g)

ibt

Mansura galley > temple (will need now that plains near there are irrigated)
Fez rax > MI

turn 9 (320ad)
roading and irrigating and mining
Celts still want communications for Mono

ibt
Basra library > MI
Vikings completed Great Library in Trondheim

turn 10 (330ad)
roading and irrigating


Notes:

celts will accept a trade without communications now, but it will bankrupt us (and we have libraries due soon and they will need maintenance). Babs still don't know it and have 68g in their treasury. Persia doesn't know it and has gems we may be able to trade for it if we decide to do the trade.

Fustat will need another garrison at the end of next 10 turns

There's a settler in a galley, either hold for war to settle a city where one was razed or possibly aggressively settle jungle island tile North or Tyre (Persian)

No pending forest chops

Ottomans may be getting restless for more territory. We currently have ROP with them (good for about 16 or 17 more turns).

 

[jb1964]

I think this is the order....

RowAndLive - Up
DJMGator13 - On deck
Zarth - In the hole
jb1964 - Asleep on the bench
rrau - Just played

RowAndLive is also up in GGF4, 11/12/04. DJMGator13, swap w/ Row if you would like unless Row says otherwise.

 

[RowAndLive]

Acknowledged - got it. Will start Tuesday night.

rrau - did you get the governor turned off? I get the feeling that Osman wil be making a demand soon - is it likely to be contact, or do we have something else that he'd want? It may be best to make the trade and thus avoid the demand. Thoughts?

 

[jb1964]

It may be best to make the trade and thus avoid the demand. Thoughts?

Interesting. Pro-active trading to avoid demand or unwanted war.

What are the possible trades with Ozzy?

 

[rrau]

Never found a highlighted city where a governor was turned on. It happened again later in the game in another town - if anyone knows if they turned on a gov to emphasize food and what town it was in, please turn it off --- on the other hand, whenever I would change the cits in those 2 towns, I never got a popup asking if I wanted to turn the governor off so it might just be a quirk of the game

Only trades with Osman now are ivory, contacts or gold. He has monotheism but won't trade for ivory plus gold.

If we're not ready for war, might either trade ivory cheap or gift it for goodwill

 

[DJMGator13]

Hey guys I'm back in town. Can play after Row without any problems.

 

[Ankka]

sorry, but the link is not showing up on my computer (even on Zarth's post), can someone PM it to me or something or tell me what I need to do to see the link?


edit:
I tried looking in the uploads 7 folder and there are a couple posts with out names at about the time he posted that aren't downloadable. I don't see one with zarth in the title

lurker's comment:
I think this is experienced with some firewalls sometimes. Never happened to me, but I have heard of this before...

 

[jb1964]

Row is suggesting we trade contact for Monotheism to avoid having it demanded of us at a time when we can't say no. This jumps us forward on the path towards knights but breaks our ownership of the communications.

 

[Chunky Kong]

There's no more room left, right? If there is, can I join? Or at least on a list for if someone drops out?