PW-02 Zombie Nation

[r_rolo1]

Pretty quiet turnset.... mainly queueing buildings.

Egypt lost a city due to cultural pressure to Celtia

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Finished Corporation:

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And Assembly line ( in last turn of my turnset ). Research set on Astro ( 3 turns.... mainly for observatories )

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And got a good event... too bad that is a drop in a bucket

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Autolog:

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Logging by BUG Mod 2.11 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 121/350 (1804 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:17:22]
Reminder: On Turn 282, Finish......
A Hamlet was built near Nara
A Hamlet was built near Nara
Pi-Ramesses finishes: Library

IBT:

Turn 122/350 (1806 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:20:27]

IBT:
Pi-Ramesses begins: Harbor (80 turns)
A Town was built near Seville
Nara grows: 17
Nara finishes: Grocer
Barcelona grows: 17
Nagoya grows: 17
Thebes grows: 12
Thebes's borders expand
Elephantine grows: 7
Memphis grows: 6
Memphis finishes: Harbor
Giza's borders expand
Judaism has been removed: Giza
Christianity has been removed: Giza
Confucianism has been removed: Giza
Giza lost
Judaism has spread: Giza (Celtic Empire)
Christianity has spread: Giza (Celtic Empire)
Confucianism has spread: Giza (Celtic Empire)
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards Boudica(Celtia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 123/350 (1808 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:21:47]
Whip anger has decreased in Nagoya

IBT:
Nara begins: Customs House (10 turns)
Memphis begins: Levee (18 turns)
Tech learned: Corporation
A Town was built near Osaka
Kyoto grows: 20
Kyoto begins: Rifleman (5 turns)
Kyoto finishes: Rifleman
Seville finishes: Islamic Monastery
A Town was built near Madrid
Thebes finishes: Cavalry
Pi-Ramesses grows: 8
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards Zombie Toku(Japan), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 124/350 (1810 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:23:24]

IBT:
Seville begins: Islamic Temple (8 turns)
Thebes begins: University (10 turns)
Tokyo grows: 15
Madrid grows: 18
Nagoya's borders expand
A Town was built near Thebes
Heliopolis grows: 6
Byblos grows: 3
Byblos finishes: Library

Turn 125/350 (1812 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:25:47]

IBT:
Byblos begins: Confucian Temple (14 turns)
Kyoto begins: Forge (8 turns)
Elephantine grows: 8
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards Catherine(Russia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Civics Change: Catherine(Russia) from 'Bureaucracy' to 'Free Speech'
Civics Change: Catherine(Russia) from 'Slavery' to 'Emancipation'

Turn 126/350 (1814 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:26:34]

IBT:
Madrid finishes: Grocer
Nara grows: 18
Barcelona grows: 18

Turn 127/350 (1816 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:27:15]
Whip anger has decreased in Thebes
Whip anger has decreased in Elephantine
Whip anger has decreased in Heliopolis
Whip anger has decreased in Memphis

IBT:
Madrid begins: Buddhist Temple (6 turns)
Tokyo begins: Rifleman (8 turns)
Tokyo finishes: Rifleman
Kagoshima grows: 6
Pi-Ramesses grows: 9
Memphis grows: 7

Turn 128/350 (1818 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:27:39]

IBT:
A Lumbermill was built near Nagasaki
A Village was built near Osaka
A Town was built near Kyoto
Nagasaki grows: 8
Thebes grows: 13
Elephantine grows: 9
Heliopolis grows: 7
Memphis's borders expand

Turn 129/350 (1820 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:28:26]

IBT:
Satsuma grows: 10
A Town was built near Kagoshima
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards Boudica(Celtia), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 130/350 (1822 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:29:01]

IBT:
Tech learned: Assembly Line
Tokyo grows: 16
Satsuma finishes: Market
A Village was built near Thebes
A Village was built near Byblos

Turn 131/350 (1824 AD) [09-Dec-2007 00:29:34]
Reminder: Finish......

IBT:
Research begun: Astronomy (3 Turns)
Satsuma begins: Harbor (40 turns)

Some regards

We need to research democracy in a not so distant future.... Emancipation is hitting us.
Cathy is researching Bio... not good... and Boobbica is still with hands full.

 

[Darth Meanie]

Well Booby can't attack us.

 

[r_rolo1]

^^^DP =/= no DoW .... I've discovered that the worse way when a pleased Saladin with a DP with me attacked me ....

 

[azaris]

I'm unsure what happens if Boudica attacks our vassal. In Warlords pre-2.08 the master would be the one to DoW, meaning all DPs would vanish. I think they fixed it, but does that mean if Boudica attacks Hatty she also DoWs us and thus gets Cathy sicked on her?

 

[pawelo]

Weird situation.
It would be great to have Hatty DP with both ladies, still it won't happen.
Otherwise, we can go drafting and face both, still I fear this opportunity given the border length and the tech parity (plus, of course, the strength of both)

 

[TheLastOne36]

i knew vassalizing hatty would be a bad idea. Well it happened so we have to live with it.

But even if we lose because of the given situation, i think it would be a great lesson to all of us and our lurkers.

but then again i said "if" we lose. We could still win this. Is Elizabeth vassalized to boudica? i read the last few turnsets over again and didn't see anyone say is Elizabeth is a vassal. Maybe we could get them to slow downs by getting them to DoW on Elizabeth?

 

[azaris]

Look at the screenshot I posted earlier and all shall be clear:

 

[TheLastOne36]

How about getting Boudica to declare on Shaka? while hoping that she send a big stack to the island to attack the lion while she has the stack over there, we could back stab her. Her defensive Pact with Catherine and us would be over since she attacked shaka, and shaka didn't attack Boudica? Catherine is friendly with us, and will probably drop to please when we attack boudica. We could offer 10 gold for nothing every 10 turns for a peace treaty as an insurance.

 

[azaris]

You can't get Boudica to attack anyone because she has too much on her hands. The only way to prevent a war is to build so many units that our combined power deters her from actually DoWing.

 

[pawelo]

Nice and ish plan TLO

Your rationale seems ok, would it work ? What do we have to offer to Booby to attack Shaka that doesn't make her even stronger ?

Edit: some cross-posting
Still having Cathy DoW Shaka would have the same effect on the DP. Same remark as above though.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Must have missed that part. Well that idea is useless now.... How about Catherine? Could we get Catherine to DoW on Shaka? and just backstab her? The only problem with that is that Shaka lion thing is over at an island which catherine has a city on. The war between her and shaka would be over soon. BUT we could still attack her. Succesfully? I have no clue.

Edit: Ehh Pawelo you cross poster....

Shaka is weak (1 lion right?) , so i think a smaller price would be enough. like lets say 200 gold? Also attacking Shaka would hurt Boudica/Catherines realtions hard (better for us?). An other problem i found. Catherine is pleased or (friendly been a while since i played) with shaka and might not be able to be bribed into attack him.

 

[TheLastOne36]

This idea is a little harder to do...

WE attack shaka, ending our DP with Catherine and Boudica. And we just attack and face both of them at ounce. (or we could just end our defensive pacts with them... )

 

[Darth Meanie]

If we mess up, it could put us at risk. Lets wait to make sure an attack won't bite us in the butt.

I'm up, right?

 

[Darth Meanie]

Sorry, I'm overloaded with finals and such, can't play.

 

[pawelo]

OK, tought time DM, I hope you'll make it

1. pawelo
2. r_rolo1
3. azaris
4. Darth Meanie - skipped
5. Betruger - UP
6. TheLastOne36 - on deck

 

[Betruger]

got it. will play tommorow

 

[Betruger]

Ah sorry but I won't manage to play today.
Will play tommorow, but feel free to swap with me TheLastOne36 if you feel like it.

 

[pawelo]

Don't worry Bertruger. We aren't in such a hurry (especially me, civ-less since saturday till now, with two games where I'm up )

 

[TheLastOne36]

Betruger can play tomorow. I have to study for Uni...

 

[Betruger]

Played my turns, don't have time for a detailed report so I'll make it quick.
It was uneventful turnset anyways.

traded for democracy, sci-method and military science (for military academy) on turn 0.

finished researching astronomy, then set research to physics, bulbing half of it with freshly generated GS to make sure we get it first (Boudica was able to start researching it 3 turns before us)

I wanted biology next but it turned out Cathy already has it, but was unwiling to trade yet, so I set research to railroad hoping to trade for biology (which didn't happen in my turnset).

as railroad came in my turnset ended, so I leave to next player choice of what to research next (I recommend combustion or biology, we need oil to build railroads (no coal).
no coal means no coal plants, so we'll better get to hydro or nuclear plants fast.

generally seems to me we overgrow our cities too much, especially those fishing villages. We don't need them to be working 10 2F1C tiles, it's better to assign more specialists instead, which I did.

We should build walll street in Madrid asap, and get some corporation there as well (sushi would be ideal, but we don't have a GM yet).
Also, when biology is in, national park would be nice thing to have in our Globe Theathre city.

I set up Thebes to be our production powerhouse. We loose the benefits of its academy that way, but it was really the only city capable of generating lots of hammers, as it's one of few that is not coastal.
here's a shot of it, we should build ironworks there after factory.

here's tech situation at the end of my turn, it'd be ideal to trade for biology but we may have to research it ourselves.

and the save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/131446/Zombie_Toku_AD-1846.CivBeyondSwordSave