Question for Europeans

[gjts00]

Originally posted by Hamlet


Now this is what bugs me, the infamous ignorance of middle America concerning anything beyond their borders, which, thankfully, not all of America suffers from. I once read an article that said when questioned, some high school pupils couldn't name a single country in Asia. it's quite shocking to me, and I assume to many other Europeans. Europe has always been, whether for good purposes or sinister ones, with things beyond it's borders, and still is.

Anyway, to clarify the point, The British government is doing nothing to The Irish. Most people in Northern Ireland don't want to join a united Ireland. The British government is not "oppressing" them in any way. The only oppressors are the terrorists on both sides who are so argumentatively bankrupt that they feel they have to kill people. If there was a majority in favour of unification, then I daresay this whole matter woul have been settled years ago, but there isn't, and that's why the situation is so difficult. Alas, I digress.

I'm not sure whether your little rant on how Britain was opressing the Irish was formed from basic ignorance regarding the subject, or whether you had fallen victim to the propoganda that Republican terror groups use on Irish Americans to aquire funds, but it highlights something distressing.

Another thing that bugs me is this GWB style attitude that I often encounter from Americans that if you actually criticise America's actions in any way then you are some sort of subversive. Thankfully, the Ameicans I encounter on this board seem to be almost entirely enlightened and intelligent, but the nonsense I have encountered on some boards was distressing, to say the least.

Some of America's domestic policies woul appear somewhat backward to a European, esp. capital punishment, which has been abolished in most European countries for 40 years or more. However, it's America's choice to do whatever it wants with itself. Some Europeans will use these issues simply to rant on about how utterly terrible Ameica, etc, but others will argue them simply because they want to see the best for their ally, and not be stuck with policies that they see as backward.

America's foreign policy is obviously something that concerns Europeans greatly, and is an area in which I believe that Euopeans need to be outspoken. I have never believed that true allies will simply go along with what one of their friends does blindly, "because it's their decision". I think as allies it's our responsiblity to give advice and say what we think you should be doing in this area, etc, not that you have to follow that advice. America can't simply be seen as a county that should be left alone from outside opinions. If you assume the role of supreme upholder of The Western world, I don't think you can.

Anyway, I've probably written far too much, anyway, so I'll leave it there. Hope it makes some sense.

And here we have yet another example to back up my theory that a great deal of our (the US's) nay sayers are driven by jealousy. Thank you Hamlet.


Are you denying the UK's oprerssive roles towards the Scotts & the Irish? And FYI, my info comes from firsthand sources. Some 4 or 6 years back, a family from Northern Ireland moved into the house next to my Mother's. Quite an intelligent and articulate family, I might add. One of their sons (my age), has spoken to me at great length aobut how, while the Brittish government doesn't have so much of a direct role anymore, there is still a lot of animosity & nose thumbing coming from the English. So, don't try to tell me that things are all rosey and happy in Ireland now. That's bullsh1t and you know it, so don't try to split hairs with me again.


And BTW, I think that you only quoting a sliver of my so-called (by you) rant, to be quite chicken-sh1t. If you're going to dispute my words, put it all on the table. Unless of course (as is my opinion), you actually have no true basis for argument. In which case, you use the label of "American ignorance" as a mask for your jealousy. Quite pathetic IMO.


But now, more to the heart of the matter..."the infamous ignorance of middle America". I don't know about you, but I never lived in your so called "ignorant middle America". I live in the south west, so I can't help you with "ignorant middle America". I do know quite a few people who do hail from "ignorant middle America" though. And not only "enlightened & intelligent" are they, I'm quite sure that if you said those words to their faces, they'd surely rearrange yours. But, enough about that, punks who run their mouths from behind the safe haven of internet annonymity never impressed me anyway.


Have you ever even been to the US?!?!?!? If not, you're in no way qualified to make statements the like of which you've just made. Which would suggest that you are indeed the ignorant one here. And America's foreign policy does not concern you enough to criticize every move that we make. Those are our issues to handle from the inside on our own , if or until the US government asks for outside help. Until that highly unlikely circumstance presents itself, I think that you should shut your yap & mind your own business.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by gjts00




As always, we have Juize. The rebel without a clue. I now have a question for you (Juize)...Do you (& your like) just expect to be able to p1ss people off & not have them react?!?!? Grow up & play the game by the rules. Moral of the story...Don't knock me down & expect less than me coming up swinging. Besides, if my actions warrant a mod warning/ ban/ suspension, Redtom's warrant the same as well, for trolling (if I understand the rules governing that particular issue correctly).

WE are trolling now? ROTFLMAO!

Well Redtom, a *few* of the points that you've mentioned are on the mark. But...The majority of them are straight-up bullsh1t! I read your entire post. And it left me wondering...What bathroom wall did you read that particular line of thought on? Not only are most of your issues misguided, they are quite self-contradicting as well. Welcome to Civfanatics & congratulations on one of the most ignorant posts that I've ever read in these forums (and based on the company that puts you in, that's saying a lot). As for the points that you've made along the *gjts00 imitates a whiney childs voice* *he's bigger than me & he's picking on me* line; stop with the jealous ranting already. Exploiting one's own strengths & advantages is human nature, plain & simple. That's the way it's always been, as well as the way it's always going to be (survival of the fittest, to the victors go the spoils, etc...). I mean think man, if you're not doing what's in your own best interest, you're a fool IMO. So get over it. If it wasn't the US doing these things, it would be somebody else doing them. And from what I've seen in my own lifetime, the US is probably the best candidate for the top dog job, when all of the options are considered.

Blah blah, those points are ass, you are ass child ass rebel ass?
Wow. That isn't trolling. That was a creative comment against ass kids.

sonora, if you except ME to change my opinion when saying that I'm a stupid ass-moron...


God. I'm just tired on this.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by gjts00





And here we have yet another example to back up my theory that a great deal of our (the US's) nay sayers are driven by jealousy. Thank you Hamlet.


Are you denying the UK's oprerssive roles towards the Scotts & the Irish? And FYI, my info comes from firsthand sources. Some 4 or 6 years back, a family from Northern Ireland moved into the house next to my Mother's. Quite an intelligent and articulate family, I might add. One of their sons (my age), has spoken to me at great length aobut how, while the Brittish government doesn't have so much of a direct role anymore, there is still a lot of animosity & nose thumbing coming from the English. So, don't try to tell me that things are all rosey and happy in Ireland now. That's bullsh1t and you know it, so don't try to split hairs with me again.


And BTW, I think that you only quoting a sliver of my so-called (by you) rant, to be quite chicken-sh1t. If you're going to dispute my words, put it all on the table. Unless of course (as is my opinion), you actually have no true basis for argument. In which case, you use the label of "American ignorance" as a mask for your jealousy. Quite pathetic IMO.


But now, more to the heart of the matter..."the infamous ignorance of middle America". I don't know about you, but I never lived in your so called "ignorant middle America". I live in the south west, so I can't help you with "ignorant middle America". I do know quite a few people who do hail from "ignorant middle America" though. And not only "enlightened & intelligent" are they, I'm quite sure that if you said those words to their faces, they'd surely rearrange yours. But, enough about that, punks who run their mouths from behind the safe haven of internet annonymity never impressed me anyway.


Have you ever even been to the US?!?!?!? If not, you're in no way qualified to make statements the like of which you've just made. Which would suggest that you are indeed the ignorant one here. And America's foreign policy does not concern you enough to criticize every move that we make. Those are our issues to handle from the inside on our own , if or until the US government asks for outside help. Until that highly unlikely circumstance presents itself, I think that you should shut your yap & mind your own business.

Another good reason to... Ok, I'll pass this. I'm not so deep yet.

 

[gjts00]

Originally posted by Juize



WE are trolling now? ROTFLMAO!



Blah blah, those points are ass, you are ass child ass rebel ass?
Wow. That isn't trolling. That was a creative comment against ass kids.

sonora, if you except ME to change my opinion when saying that I'm a stupid ass-moron...


God. I'm just tired on this.

You are indeed a sad creature Juize. You can't come back with something with any viable content, so you respond with this drivel. It doesn't surprise me though. This type of behavior is quite consistent with your personality,(as displayed you) in these forums.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by gjts00

Are you denying the UK's oprerssive roles towards the Scotts & the Irish? And FYI, my info comes from firsthand sources. Some 4 or 6 years back, a family from Northern Ireland moved into the house next to my Mother's. Quite an intelligent and articulate family, I might add. One of their sons (my age), has spoken to me at great length aobut how, while the Brittish government doesn't have so much of a direct role anymore, there is still a lot of animosity & nose thumbing coming from the English. So, don't try to tell me that things are all rosey and happy in Ireland now. That's bullsh1t and you know it, so don't try to split hairs with me again.

Sorry to derail your so high-minded tirade.

By I must single out a few errors or your part.

Being one of those "Scotts" (actually spelt Scots, or Scottish if you want) I must say you prove the rule when talking of the USA's sometimes glaring ignorance of world knowledge.

The UK does not oppress the Scots, as we are part of it.

The idea is that from the English view, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland along with England make up the "United Kingdom".

I hope this clears up your confusion.

Onto Ireland, this subject is a hot one for outsiders, Especially the USA. Northern Ireland has many conflicting factors and problems, a real mess.
But the view of it differs depending who you ask.
Two versions of the same creed are fighting over rights and land.

The UK govt is trying sort things out with the N Ire govt,
The morals of this depend again, on whom you ask.

One guy you met can't be expected to give you full picture, only the way he envisions it. (Maybe coloured by his feelings on matters)

Anyway, I think I speak for many, many people in the UK who are
In NO way jealous of the USA! Why would we be, the UK and
Europe has just as much going for it.
And before you begin the usual chant of US patriotic words, don't.

I have had very similar discussions with a lot of good North Americans on the forums before. And we came to these friendly
Conclusions:

It is fine to like your home and culture.
As long as you have mutual respect for your world cousins,
And learn about each other’s nations, instead of trolling them.

Hope I have cleared up some points for you. OK?

Peace.

 

[redtom]

Your new here, so you may not understand, so pay close attention.
Deliberatly baiting anyone (including Americans) is not permitted on this board, in ANY fashion.
If you ever post laike this again, your posting privlages will be suspended for one week.
Don't bother trying to argue or saying "you don't care about banning", because believe me, I have ZERO problem with banning vile individuals who think they can say what they like.
And don't bother with an "I was only kidding either".
Your post will be edited of such comments.
Repeat them at your peril.
AoA
1Hate lists are not permitted.

2. You've been watching too many Braveheart type movies, your talking out of your arse. There's no such thing as a good nationalist-Wallace was a murderer desperate to get the scottish crown he didnt give a monkey about the scottish nation. Gerry Adams was a murderer, though now he is really (hopefully) a good guy.

3. In N. Ireland the majority are loyal British citizens, some do think themselves as joint nationality, whilst the rest are generally ****. The nationalist are surpressing the majority. Killing, like what you little [this word is not permitted. Congratulations, you just added another to our censor] got on 9/11. You don't deserve it, we don't deserve some people bombing us. I seen people screaming with blood on there faces because of one those "heroic" nationalists, three people died that day. This was one of many hundreds such attacks both on the British mainland and in Ireland.

4. TALK ABOUT SURPRESSING PEOPLE- SHOULD I GIVE A LIST THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE US HAS KILLED PEOPLE THROUGH SURPRESSION Cuba, Native Americans etc. etc., AND ATTACKED FOR THE BELIEFS, MCCARTHY, ring any bells???As always, rumor is nonsense, provide documentation or shut your blowhole.
Since you can't 9And I know that for fact) shut your trap.

5. Britain's never forced Scotland or Ireland to join the United Kingdom. They've always agreed so. Its Wales i feel sorry for/

I apologise to all Americans for my language.As well you should, you vile little man

Remember, I will be watching you VERY carfully.
AoA

 

[gjts00]

Originally posted by CurtSibling



Sorry to derail your so high-minded tirade.

By I must single out a few errors or your part.

Being one of those "Scotts" (actually spelt Scots, or Scottish if you want) I must say you prove the rule when talking of the USA's sometimes glaring ignorance of world knowledge.

The UK does not oppress the Scots, as we are part of it.

The idea is that from the English view, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland along with England make up the "United Kingdom".

I hope this clears up your confusion.

Onto Ireland, this subject is a hot one for outsiders, Especially the USA. Northern Ireland has many conflicting factors and problems, a real mess.
But the view of it differs depending who you ask.
Two versions of the same creed are fighting over rights and land.

The UK govt is trying sort things out with the N Ire govt,
The morals of this depend again, on whom you ask.

One guy you met can't be expected to give you full picture, only the way he envisions it. (Maybe coloured by his feelings on matters)

Anyway, I think I speak for many, many people in the UK who are
In NO way jealous of the USA! Why would we be, the UK and
Europe has just as much going for it.
And before you begin the usual chant of US patriotic words, don't.

I have had very similar discussions with a lot of good North Americans on the forums before. And we came to these friendly
Conclusions:

It is fine to like your home and culture.
As long as you have mutual respect for your world cousins,
And learn about each other’s nations, instead of trolling them.

Hope I have cleared up some points for you. OK?

Peace.

Well, here we go splitting hairs again. The English opression over the Scots, is in the distant past. I simply used that as an example in a previous post. There's a lot that I don't know about the dynamics of interprovincial (for lack of a better word) relations in the UK.


And (for the record), I agree with your closing points CurtSibling. I love my home & culture. And I do have respect for my world cousins that treat their world cousins with respect. In fact I respect them enough that I don't go scrutinizing their conutries, leaders, foreign policies & lifestyles at every turn. I know that not all of my world cousins share the opinions that I'm debating against, but the majority of the ones that I'm seeing here (on these forums) p1ss me off. As I've said before, leave us alone to work out our own problems. Being an ally does give the right to advise, but not to criticize constantly. And that happens with great regularity on this site. Respect is a two way street. That part of the equation seems to get left out quite a bit. Most of what I've seen (in this particular thread), is some European poster making broad generalizations or straight up nonsense about the US, it's people, and it's foreign policy in a derogitory manner. And when an American steps up to defend our honor, we're labeled as "arrogant", "ignorant", or as you chose to put it "high minded". That's not respect, that's cowardice. I think that a few individuals around here need to stop & think before they make some of the posts that their making. And stop playing the "How was I supposed to know that the flames would burn way out of control when I threw that gas on the fire?" role. If someone wants respect, they first have to be willing to give, as well as recieve.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by gjts00
And here we have yet another example to back up my theory that a great deal of our (the US's) nay sayers are driven by jealousy. Thank you Hamlet.

I've heard that before, and it's an opinion that is driven by idiocy, largely like the rest of your post. Like I said, if you criticise the US, some American's, such as yourself, immediately brand you a subervise, or jealous. It's quite sad, really.

Originally posted by gjts00
Are you denying the UK's oprerssive roles towards the Scotts & the Irish? And FYI, my info comes from firsthand sources. Some 4 or 6 years back, a family from Northern Ireland moved into the house next to my Mother's. Quite an intelligent and articulate family, I might add. One of their sons (my age), has spoken to me at great length aobut how, while the Brittish government doesn't have so much of a direct role anymore, there is still a lot of animosity & nose thumbing coming from the English. So, don't try to tell me that things are all rosey and happy in Ireland now. That's bullsh1t and you know it, so don't try to split hairs with me again.

Errrrrrrmmm, excuse me, but did I ever say that everything was peachy in NI? No. As you probably don't understand the complexities of the NI situation, I'm not going to speak at length about it. Protestants and Catholics both bully, and attack each other regularly.

British government opression towards the Scots and Irish people's is history. Not that I'm saying that there aren't political issues concerning nationality etc in Scotland and NI, and often violence as a reslt in NI, simply that the British government oppressing these people's ended decades ago.

Sorry to disturb your ignorant and outmoted image of Scotland and NI, but most people in those two places want to remain part of the UK, and aren't being "opressed" by the government or the English.

Being English myself, I have to say that over the course of my lifetime, I've never encountered any sort of animosity towards anyone in NI, except the terrorists.

Originally posted by gjts00
And BTW, I think that you only quoting a sliver of my so-called (by you) rant, to be quite chicken-sh1t. If you're going to dispute my words, put it all on the table. Unless of course (as is my opinion), you actually have no true basis for argument. In which case, you use the label of "American ignorance" as a mask for your jealousy. Quite pathetic IMO.

Do you actually have an argument?

Originally posted by gjts00
But now, more to the heart of the matter..."the infamous ignorance of middle America". I don't know about you, but I never lived in your so called "ignorant middle America". I live in the south west, so I can't help you with "ignorant middle America". I do know quite a few people who do hail from "ignorant middle America" though. And not only "enlightened & intelligent" are they, I'm quite sure that if you said those words to their faces, they'd surely rearrange yours. But, enough about that, punks who run their mouths from behind the safe haven of internet annonymity never impressed me anyway.

Ahhhhh, so you have no rebutal to the accusation, and in turn I'm also threatened with violence. I'm baffled as to why you simply can't admit the fact that a large section of middle America is tremendously ignorant about world affairs, as has been commented on by god knows how many of your own commentators.

Originally posted by gjts00
Have you ever even been to the US?!?!?!? If not, you're in no way qualified to make statements the like of which you've just made. Which would suggest that you are indeed the ignorant one here. And America's foreign policy does not concern you enough to criticize every move that we make. Those are our issues to handle from the inside on our own , if or until the US government asks for outside help. Until that highly unlikely circumstance presents itself, I think that you should shut your yap & mind your own business.

Heh. I would think that American foreign policy concerned everyone on the planet, but well. If it doesn't concern foreigners, then who does it concern? You clearly hail from the GWB school of unilateralist nonsense. If you want America to persue and unconsensual, arrogant foreign policy that doesn't take into account foreign opinions, then so be it. However, it's not one I would advise.

Thank you for largely going to prove my original grievances in my orignal post perfectly. Now don't post again, because you do your country a diservice through yor ignorance and your attitude.

 

[Hamlet]

Your post is being edited to remove offensive and prohibited material posted by another.
AoA

Originally posted by redtom
1. Hate lists are not permitted

2. You've been watching too many Braveheart type movies, your talking out of your arse. There's no such thing as a good nationalist-Wallace was a murderer desperate to get the scottish crown he didnt give a monkey about the scottish nation. Gerry Adams was a murderer, though now he is really (hopefully) a good guy.

Agreed, generally.

Originally posted by redtom
3. In N. Ireland the majority are loyal British citizens, some do think themselves as joint nationality, whilst the rest are generally *****. The nationalist are surpressing the majority. Killing, like what you little ***** got on 9/11. You don't deserve it, we don't deserve some people bombing us. I seen people screaming with blood on there faces because of one those "heroic" nationalists, three people died that day. This was one of many hundreds such attacks both on the British mainland and in Ireland..

Ermmmmmmmm, excuse me? Are you saying that all nationalists and Republicans (Who are, incidentally, the minority) are violent murderers?

You also seem to forget the Loyalist terror groups, who are equally despicale as the Republican ones.

Originally posted by redtom
4. TALK ABOUT SURPRESSING PEOPLE- SHOULD I GIVE A LIST THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE US HAS KILLED PEOPLE THROUGH SURPRESSION Cuba, Native Americans etc. etc., AND ATTACKED FOR THE BELIEFS, MCCARTHY, ring any bells???.

Every country has a bad history. So what.

Originally posted by redtom
5. Britain's never forced Scotland or Ireland to join the United Kingdom. They've always agreed so. Its Wales i feel sorry for/.

Actually, Ireland was subjugated, and Scotland was practically bought. Neither of those people originally consented to English rule.

Originally posted by redtom
I apologise to all non-Americans for my language.

Racist.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by gjts00

Well, here we go splitting hairs again. The English opression over the Scots, is in the distant past. I simply used that as an example in a previous post. There's a lot that I don't know about the dynamics of interprovincial (for lack of a better word) relations in the UK.

For your record, gjts00.
I am not one of those tiresome Scots who
Whine about UK tensions. Because there is no regional
hate in the mainland UK!
C'mon we are not talking west-side, east-side LA here!
I travel to London regular and always have a great time.
The stories about all English being snooty are a load of crap.

Similar to saying all North Americans are dolts who know nothing
About the world around them, again that's stereotypical bull.

And I can see thru your polite attacks at
Me or the whole UK being "cowards".

Sure, pal. Which nation was the first to have their Air Force in the
Sky with the USAF carrying out vital support...hmm?

The UK perhaps?

That's right! So deactivate patriot missiles, no-on sane person in
The UK or Europe is going to tell the
USA not to respond to 11/9/01! Get real!

Anyway, I again state that no one I know would want to be
Jealous of the USA. Where you get this notion I'm not sure,

Perhaps it is something the teachers drum into you when you are
Attending school over there...I'm glad propaganda is not dosed
out at schools in the UK. We Brits know our place in the world.

And if you imply that I am trying to troll you, I suggest you use
The forums search engine and look for some of my post about
The USA, There is one a few pages back on this thread,

Read it and learn about my opinions and me.

Before you demonise me along with the non-thinkers...OK?

PS
And deactivate that aggression gland!

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by redtom

5. Britain's never forced Scotland or Ireland to join the United Kingdom. They've always agreed so. Its Wales i feel sorry for/

Hmmm. Redtom...

As a Scot I have to say I don't remember Scotland's agreement to
be put under the jackboot for 500 years, I must have missed something!

And I feel sorry for Wales as well...

 

[gjts00]

Originally posted by Hamlet


I've heard that before, and it's an opinion that is driven by idiocy, largely like the rest of your post. Like I said, if you criticise the US, some American's, such as yourself, immediately brand you a subervise, or jealous. It's quite sad, really.



Errrrrrrmmm, excuse me, but did I ever say that everything was peachy in NI? No. As you probably don't understand the complexities of the NI situation, I'm not going to speak at length about it. Protestants and Catholics both bully, and attack each other regularly.

British government opression towards the Scots and Irish people's is history. Not that I'm saying that there aren't political issues concerning nationality etc in Scotland and NI, and often violence as a reslt in NI, simply that the British government oppressing these people's ended decades ago.

Sorry to disturb your ignorant and outmoted image of Scotland and NI, but most people in those two places want to remain part of the UK, and aren't being "opressed" by the government or the English.

Being English myself, I have to say that over the course of my lifetime, I've never encountered any sort of animosity towards anyone in NI, except the terrorists.

Like I said before, it wasn't my intent to split hairs. I simply used those two particular issues as examples to rebutt a comment made along the line of the treatment that the Native Americans recieved from the US Government, to show that the UK is also on record for less than decent/humane treatment of others. Thus the "People who live in glass houses..." comment. This demonstrates to me that you have no viable argument. As you've strayed from the main debate & brought a side issue into the forefront.



[QUOTE/]
Do you actually have an argument?[/Quote]

Yeah, and from the way that you're whining, it's hitting you in a pretty sensitive spot.

Ahhhhh, so you have no rebutal to the accusation, and in turn I'm also threatened with violence. I'm baffled as to why you simply can't admit the fact that a large section of middle America is tremendously ignorant about world affairs, as has been commented on by god knows how many of your own commentators.

I personaly have not threatened you with violence. I merely said that if you were stupid enough to make those type of remarks face to face with those that I know, the resolution would be violent. And (for the record) there ARE qutie a lot of ignorant people in the US. Just like every other country in the world, including YOURS.

Heh. I would think that American foreign policy concerned everyone on the planet, but well. If it doesn't concern foreigners, then who does it concern? You clearly hail from the GWB school of unilateralist nonsense. If you want America to persue and unconsensual, arrogant foreign policy that doesn't take into account foreign opinions, then so be it. However, it's not one I would advise.

Foreign policy is a damn site more complex than you seem to think it is. *Most* of the European posters on this site seem to think that they know how the world should be run. My point is this...I don't recall hearing any of the governments of our (the US's) allies make official complaints about US foreign policy recently. And your respective poeples voted your current government leaders into place. You've made your beds, now sleep in them. Atleast until you have another chance to vote again.

Thank you for largely going to prove my original grievances in my orignal post perfectly. Now don't post again, because you do your country a diservice through yor ignorance and your attitude.

And thank you in turn for the same. And don't try to tell me not to post. It's neither your place nor priviledge to do so. By doing that you're saying that you can't handle further debate. Again, quite pathteic.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
And I feel sorry for Wales as well...

Perhaps I'm being the Devil's advocate here, but why do you feel sorry for Wales over Scotland exactly?

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by gjts00
Like I said before, it wasn't my intent to split hairs. I simply used those two particular issues as examples to rebutt a comment made along the line of the treatment that the Native Americans recieved from the US Government, to show that the UK is also on record for less than decent/humane treatment of others. Thus the "People who live in glass houses..." comment. This demonstrates to me that you have no viable argument. As you've strayed from the main debate & brought a side issue into the forefront.

Congratualtions, I've already said such, that no country has a supremely dignified history.

I like it how you have retracted on your "The British government still opresses the Irish" comment. Heh.

Congratulatins. Your "argument" has ate itself.

Originally posted by gjts00
Yeah, and from the way that you're whining, it's hitting you in a pretty sensitive spot.

Heh, no. I'm enjoying this.

Originally posted by gjts00
I personaly have not threatened you with violence. I merely said that if you were stupid enough to make those type of remarks face to face with those that I know, the resolution would be violent. And (for the record) there ARE qutie a lot of ignorant people in the US. Just like every other country in the world, including YOURS.

Thanks for finally admitting that.

Originally posted by gjts00
Foreign policy is a damn site more complex than you seem to think it is. *Most* of the European posters on this site seem to think that they know how the world should be run. My point is this...I don't recall hearing any of the governments of our (the US's) allies make official complaints about US foreign policy recently. And your respective poeples voted your current government leaders into place. You've made your beds, now sleep in them. Atleast until you have another chance to vote again.

Just be thankful we consider your oft-misguided foreign policy low down on our list of considerations when selecting our leaders. it's not us that generally have to live with the problems it creates, it's you.

Originally posted by gjts00
And thank you in turn for the same. And don't try to tell me not to post. It's neither your place nor priviledge to do so. By doing that you're saying that you can't handle further debate. Again, quite pathteic.

No, I can't be bothered with replying to your pathetic pseduo-excuse for an argument. In actuality, it's an ignorant rant disguised behind the fig leaf of an argument.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Hamlet


Perhaps I'm being the Devil's advocate here, but why do you feel sorry for Wales over Scotland exactly?

I was actually using that rarely utilised concept, Humour!

I don't feel sorry for any part of the UK, because we are fairly
well-off compared to other parts of the earth, despite our
domestic problems.

I am proud to be a Scot.

And I am very fond of Wales and it's rich history and lovely women.

And I think it is racist to brand all North Americans "Stupid".

Hispanics, Blacks Native Americans, German, Dutch and Brit descent...there are too many mixes of cultures to call em all stupid.

BTW, I think a lot of North American middle-class, white christian-types have the most offensive opinions...

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
I was actually using that rarely utilised concept, Humour!

I don't feel sorry for any part of the UK, because we are fairly
well-off compared to other parts of the earth, despite our
domestic problems.

I am proud to be a Scot.

And I am very fond of Wales and it's rich history and lovely women.

Agreed. I was just curious. I personally am not proud of the Subjugation of Scotland, Wales, etc either.

Originally posted by CurtSibling
And I think it is racist to brand all North Americans "Stupid".

But I didn't. I said that the majority of middle America was infamous for it's ignorance of the outisde world and it's affairs, which is true. Ignorance doesn't even equal stupidity. Please read what I say more carefully next time.

Originally posted by CurtSibling
Hispanics, Blacks Native Americans, German, Dutch and Brit descent...there are too many mixes of cultures to call em all stupid.

But alas, I didn't say anything of the sort.

Originally posted by CurtSibling
BTW, I think a lot of North American middle-class, white christian-types have the most offensive opinions...

Agreed.

 

[CurtSibling]

Hamlet,

I know you didn't state that Americans are daft.

No worries.

That part of the post was aimed at the person who made that
statement...

You or I are not to blame for the distant past.

Scots and English are cousins.

In two World wars we fought side by side as brothers.

Nuff said.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
Hamlet,

I know you didn't state that Americans are daft.

No worries.

That part of the post was aimed at the person who made that
statement...

You or I are not to blame for the distant past.

Scots and English are cousins.

In two World wars we fought side by side as brothers.

Nuff said.

Fully agreed at that. At least now we've formed something greater from a less enlightened past.

 

[Juize]

I loove AofA. AofA is soo wise. AS all of the mods.

 

[MrPresident]

The British government still opresses the Irish

How in the hell do the British still oppress the Irish. They are a seperate country, where example they have joined the Euro and Britain has not. It would be like the British oppressing a country like India, sure they were formerly part of the empire, but they are as independent as any other country in the world. Now if you wanted an example of a country opposing another country then you can look at USA and Cuba. The trade embargo is still in effect 40 years after it started despite the end of the cold war and for what reason? Is this small caribbean island some how a threat the only remaining superpower? I am not saying that the embargo was initially wrong, the USA had some very good reasons for starting it, I am saying that there is no longer any need for it. Its continuance could be considered an example of oppression.

By the way I think if you took a poll of the British people the majority would say that they do not want Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom. However as is show over and over again unfortunately these people cannot rule themselves.