Questions About Adam and Eve

nice quote ;)

Bible doesn't say that it was the same time that's you're assumption.

they were made the same day and the use of "them" does suggest they were made together and given the same instructions - "them" refers to both male and female, not just a man (Adam or other men), but thats not how the Garden story describes the creation of Adam and Eve

So are you saying the events in the Garden were on the 6th Day and God rested afterward?
 
@El_Mach, there is one creation story, just that 2:5 onwards focuses solely on what happens in the Garden of Eden, not the whole earth

Yeah, we're somewhat agreeing. The trick is not to read Chapter 1 as being continuous with Chapter 2, but that there's a natural break in the 'story-telling theme' partway through 2. By any metric, it's a bit confusing, but that's all it is, a bit jumbled.
 
Indeed, but that obviously requires that you accept that the Bible is the result of the work of multiple authors and oral traditions that were combined over a long period of time without any sort of external guidance.

Side note: I don't understand why this is so difficult for Biblical literalistas or whatever they call themselves nowadays to accept. Haven't they played a game of telephone as children?

I'm still confused, but I'm at work, focusing on other things. Somebody needs to write out both verses side by side, and explain what each one is talking about. With pictures.

But not of Adam and Steve.
 
It describes the evolution of primitive man to "modern" man

But if Adam was made in God's image, does that make God a Homo Erectus?
 
So why did Paul change his name from Saul?

Why didn't Simon change his name to Pimon?

Was it all just a pilly idea?
 
It was actually Adam and Steve on the 6th day, but the censors cut that part because it talked about butt stuff.




Is God a gay? No, because he doesnt exist...
 
So nonexistent people don't have equal rights now? That's virtually homophobic.
 
So nonexistent people don't have equal rights now? That's virtually homophobic.

Sooner or later we are bound to make gay version of Bible with Adam and Steve...
 
I don't see how. Adam and Steve aren't going to have any children of their own are they?

:dunno: maybe they will.
 
No, but its important to note that they were the first people.
 
Side note: I don't understand why this is so difficult for Biblical literalistas or whatever they call themselves nowadays to accept. Haven't they played a game of telephone as children?
Well, what is the point of being a literalist when it's not the Word of God you're being literal about?
 
Can we have Ewe and Helen to be the first people? Then God can create the first man out of their wisdom teeth or something.
I actually think you're nearer the truth of the matter than you realize. Especially the wisdom tooth bit.
 
Can we have Ewe and Helen to be the first people? Then God can create the first man out of their wisdom teeth or something.

Yes and if you are going to be good boy you can get the picture version of the Bible too or else Adam is going to be hermaphrodite.
 
But if Adam was made in God's image, does that make God a Homo Erectus?

He cant be too far removed if we were made in God's image... But I dont think God made earlier hominids, he used them to make us ~200-250 kya. A Sumerian myth says their serpent/fish deity used an already existing creature roaming his lands in the south. A Zulu myth says their primeval ancestors (called artificial ones) battled the ape men, and Mayan myth says monkey men lived in the past but were destroyed.

The demise of earlier, "inferior" peoples linked to the animals is a common theme in mythology. It shows up in Genesis too with Adam looking for a helpmate from among the animals and not finding one, and with Adam and Eve's ignorant innocence - learning they were naked and making clothes.

Now we know from the science that hominids were running around the planet recently, long after anatomically modern humans showed up. These myths may be echoes of those interactions and they depict the end of earlier more animal-like peoples. The Neanderthals died out ~30 kya and Erectus were living in SE Asia ~75 kya and probably much more recently since the Hobbits of Flores may have not only survived the end of the ice age but lived up to a few centuries ago.
 
Yeah, we're somewhat agreeing. The trick is not to read Chapter 1 as being continuous with Chapter 2, but that there's a natural break in the 'story-telling theme' partway through 2. By any metric, it's a bit confusing, but that's all it is, a bit jumbled.

It's two different stories with two different purposes. Read literally, there are internally inconsistent, which creates obvious problems for Biblical literalists (see the consistency in the order in which things are created relative to man).

The first story is about the nature of God and how He creates the world. It is a testament to the power of God.

The second story is about the nature of man and the relationship between God and man. That relationship is about God and named individuals, Adam and Eve.

In the first story, God creates man (side note: contrast that God "created" man, implying labor, but brought the animals and other parts of creation into being through words). However, in the second story, God creates Adam and then breathes into Adam the Breath of Life. That's a much more intimate means of creation than the first story. It is an investiture of divinity via a kiss.

In the first story, God grants man dominion over the Earth, but man does not respond. The communication between God and man is strictly one way. In fact, from the first story you would assume that God becomes a passive onlooker as to the actions of man; that is He creates man and then doesn't do anything else with man. In contrast, the second story has ongoing dialogues between man and God, and God takes an active interest in the actions of man after man's creation.

In the first story, the directive to go forth and multiply is given as a matter of fact direction; that is nothing special after creation is necessary for man to do this. Sex in the first story is divinely directed, but mundane. In the second story, the union between man and woman expressly becomes a gift from God. Sex becomes spiritual.

As mentioned, in the first story, God gives man dominion over the animals, but in the second story God creates the animals specifically to help man and allows man to name the animals. This naming, the use of language, references back to the use of language by God to create the world in the first story and back to the investiture of the Breath of Life into man in the second story (can't speak words w/o breathing, after all). This is indicative of the unique nature of man to not just communicate, but to communicate in abstractions. Of course that power to communicate also enables communication with God, which, as we've seen, occurs only in the second story.

In the first story, there is an idyllic world with no strife. However, the second creation story has an inherent flaw: the free will of man to disregard God's will.

Both free will and the ability to communicate with God are necessary antecedents to the creation of the Covenant with Abraham. Without either the Covenant would be meaningless.

The first story harkens back to earlier beliefs of an uninterested sky-father god who created the world and then left it to its own devices. The second story, with the intimate relationship between God and man, lays the ground work for the Covenant with Abraham.
 
If Adam and Eve were made on the 6th Day and told to be fruitful and multiply, why didn't they?

And when they finally did, it was after the Serpent's meddling - the first thing they did after getting kicked out of the Garden was to conceive a child. Well, not the first... But thats what the Bible says they did.

Doesn't that tie the ability to procreate with the knowledge of good and evil?
 
God does come across as kind of a pervert . . . losing some of the thrill once Adam and Eve realized they were putting on a show for him.
 
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