Questions to Evolutionists

[civ2]

Civ2, I truly think there is no hope with you my friend. Your religious convictions are so deep, that you can't even consider questioning them. It is not a matter of scientific proof, as for you, when science and dogma conflicts, science is necessaraly wrong.

For scientists science is also a dogma.
I wasn't born religious.
In my early age (until some 12 maybe) I used to like the dino-theme.
So I'm quite informed about that.
(I read lots of books while I was still a small boy.)

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Strange people here. Does it really make sense do discuss with someone who thinks science is a religion ?
How much working technology is based on Judaism ?

 

[warpus]

How much working technology is based on Judaism ?

My toaster is powered by Moses.

 

[civ2]

CurtSibling
Ancient myths are those of Greece and Rome - do not mix everything into one big box.
Whether dinos existed isn't that clear - clear is that it wasn't millions year ago.
About Noah.
I don't think calling him old (meaning weak) would be appropriate - in those days people were much stronger (and higher too) then we are.
It's an obvious physical regression through time.
Animals came by themselves and btw animals didn't eat meat before the Flood - only afterwards.
Same as humans though.
I don't think the Ark was too small - anyway you need only two of a kind (I don't think there MILLIONS of distinct kinds of animals - most species could be united into a group.)
Have YOU seen the Ark to state it was too small?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

The Two Great Problems of Creationism:

1. Lack of transitional fossils.

It is a Creationist claim that all human beings are descended from Adam. If this were true, however, there would be transitional fossils, of Adam, then of his childre, then of their children, and so on until now. However, there are serious gaps in the fossil record. There are no transitional fossils between me and Adam. Every time Creationists claim to find a transitional fossil, it merely creates two new gaps, one for the parent of the fossil and one for its offspring. Unless Creationists can come up with every single organism between me and Adam, it is ridiculous to believe I am related to him.

2. Creationism Contradicts the Second Law of Theromodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that you can't go from disorder to greater order or from simplicity to complexity. Yet proponents of so-called "Creationism" repeatedly claim that single-celled organisms such as zygotes are somehow able to change into complex adult organisms such as humans. This is clearly contradicted by science.

See, everyone, isn't this fun?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Strange people here. Does it really make sense do discuss with someone who thinks science is a religion ?

Science isnt a religion but the mentality which makes 'religion' possible is possesed by all humans, and affects all walks of life, professions, and institutions. Religious thinking can be applied to anything.

 

[civ2]

Science is definitely a "religion" because YOU guys believe in those theories.
Any theory is based on a belief in it - or it's NOT a theory but an experiment itself.
Since you can't repeat ANY of nature's biological events - it's an obvious belief in whatever your priests=scientists say.
Technology is no proof against religion as science is no proof against God.
And same goes to miracles vs science.
Those are of different realms and do not change each other.
Science does its best (not enough yet) to understand the physical realm whilst religion trys to explain spiritual realms.
They shouldn't get into each other's realms.

 

[bathsheba666]

For scientists science is also a dogma.
I wasn't born religious.
In my early age (until some 12 maybe) I used to like the dino-theme.
So I'm quite informed about that.
(I read lots of books while I was still a small boy.)

Did you stop reading books when you were no longer a small boy?
How long ago was that?

 

[Marshy]

... in those days people were much stronger (and higher too) then we are.
It's an obvious physical regression through time.
Animals came by themselves and btw animals didn't eat meat before the Flood - only afterwards.
Same as humans though.

Surely this is a wind-up?

 

[civ2]

Eran of Arcadia
Most pre-Flood fossils were destroyed by it so the best you can find is Noah.
Also did you see your grandpa's grandpa in any cemetery?
One thing is identity of a human (which is impossible without external sources like tombstones) - and another thing is identity of species which is made by the fossil itself.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

CurtSibling
Ancient myths are those of Greece and Rome - do not mix everything into one big box.

I believe in the Bible and I would still describe it as myth.

Whether dinos existed isn't that clear - clear is that it wasn't millions year ago.

Actually, I think you mean it was clear it was millions of years ago.

I don't think the Ark was too small - anyway you need only two of a kind (I don't think there MILLIONS of distinct kinds of animals - most species could be united into a group.)

By the very definition of "species" that is not true. One species cannot produce fertile offspring with another. They can't be "lumped together" or "united in a group".

Have YOU seen the Ark to state it was too small?

The Bible gives its dimensions. We know exactly how big it was supposed to be. It was too small.

And how do you answer my criticisms of Creationism? They are the same ones used against evolution, so it is only fair.

 

[civ2]

bathsheba666
HAHAHA!

Marshy
What's a wind-up?

Sorry but I have to go.
See ya on Sunday!

 

[The Last Conformist]

please delete

 

[The Last Conformist]

I don't read whatever language your sig is. This forum is in English.

Well, the last line of his sig is in English, and it should be all you need.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Eran of Arcadia
Most pre-Flood fossils were destroyed by it so the best you can find is Noah.
Also did you see your grandpa's grandpa in any cemetery?
One thing is identity of a human (which is impossible without external sources like tombstones) - and another thing is identity of species which is made by the fossil itself.

I haven't seen my grandpa's grandpa in a cemetary, as it happens. Clearly, according to Creationist logic, he never existed. And how would a flood destroy buried fossils?

 

[civ2]

Eran of Arcadia
The measurements are given in body parts - why not Noah's?
He was much taller then we are.
(Much isn't a few cms!)

Anyway BYE for real now!

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Eran of Arcadia
The measurements are given in body parts - why not Noah's?
He was much taller then we are.

How do you know he was much taller than us? It doesn't say anywhere that he was, you know.

 

[CurtSibling]

CurtSibling
Ancient myths are those of Greece and Rome - do not mix everything into one big box.

Don't be silly.

Anything that is from that era, is considered ancient.
And creationist tales are most definitely myth.

You show staggering disregard for history, even for that
which is connected to the old testament. Please clue up!

CurtSiblingWhether dinos existed isn't that clear - clear is that it wasn't millions year ago.

You think you can challnege the greatest minds of our species with what?

A narrow and childish interpretation of religious fables?

You are in for a hard road, my lad.

CurtSiblingAbout Noah.
I don't think calling him old (meaning weak) would be appropriate - in those days people were much stronger (and higher too) then we are.

It's an obvious physical regression through time.

Not quite sure what context you mean here...

CurtSiblingAnimals came by themselves and btw animals didn't eat meat before the Flood - only afterwards.
Same as humans though.

There is utterly no evidence for the events you speak. It is like me trying
to explain the manufacturing process of Skeletor's armour. Plain silly.

I refuse to believe this kind of baloney.

I want evidence.

Provide it.

CurtSiblingI don't think the Ark was too small - anyway you need only two of a kind (I don't think there MILLIONS of distinct kinds of animals - most species could be united into a group.)

This is so simplistic, any scientist would take you from the room and
banish you in the corridor as a punishment. Please refrain from making
incredible and whacko statements that mash logic into porridge.

CurtSiblingHave YOU seen the Ark to state it was too small?

Dude.

I want to tell you that I am completely at odds with this sort of creation
theory. It is silly, unsupportable, bad for your mind, and it leaves stains.

Let me tell you in simple terms:

*There was no ark - It is a world renewal myth.
*Noah is a metaphor - It is improper to think he was a real man.
*Thor, Wotan, Hanuman, Krishna are all idealised archetypes, like Noah.
*Do yourself a favour - Don't regard metaphor as fact...very dangerous.

Study some world culture and see how world renewal is an ever-present idea...

...You might even discover mind-growing info that helps you understand your
religion better. I recommend it...There are rich seams of culture out there to
be mined and digested...I can assure you that it will be beneficial to you.

 

[CivCube]

Evolution and creationism are not mutually exclusive. One could see the first chapter of the book of Genesis as a parable for the story of evolution...if one doesn't take it literally.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

The more literally religious writings are taken, the less they have to offer.