reddishrecue
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How do you get the diplomatic victory? Do you need to be the guy for both the apostolic palace and the UN?
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Danelius90
Hunter (of vegetables)
being the 'guy' allows you to propose resolutions.
There are 2 types of diplo victory, with the AP and UN. Basically there is a resolution for diplo/religious leader, and you have to have something like 2/3 majority and have one civ other than your own to vote for you. I can't remember exactly but the AP one requires the AP religion to exist among each civ in some cities and then you can be voted religious leader and win.
s.bernbaum
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There are two separate type of Diplomatic Victory, the AP and the UN.
To be a candidate for the AP victory you have to either be the AP Resident or the civ with the highest population of cities with the AP religion (if the Resident is the one with the highest population then the other candidate is the second highest) plus all civs must have at least one city with the AP religion in order for the vote to come up as a choice. Since the Resident gets to choose what gets voted on from among the choices, it helps to be the Resident if you are pursuing the AP Diplo victory. However, if you qualify as the other candidate and the Resident chooses to have that vote, you can still win.
For the UN, again it is the Secretary General and the highest (or second highest) population who are the candidates but total population is what counts. Since all civs are automatically members of the UN, there is no other requirement. There is, however, a limitation. If you have enough votes to elect yourself with no one else voting for you then the Diplo victory becomes disabled. Similarly to the AP, the Secretary General gets to choose the motions for voting, so it helps to be the SecGen if you are pursuing that victory. Otherwise, you are dependent on the AI who is SecGen deciding to try for the victory. You can win that way. In a recent game, I was about 10 turns away from a Cultural Victory, when the AI who was SecGen decided to have a vote for the Diplo Victory. Much to my surprise I won. I knew he could not win because I had enough votes to stop anyone else from winning the vote but two other civs who I thought would vote for him voted for me instead.
There are two separate type of Diplomatic Victory, the AP and the UN.
To be a candidate for the AP victory you have to either be the AP Resident or the civ with the highest population of cities with the AP religion (if the Resident is the one with the highest population then the other candidate is the second highest) plus all civs must have at least one city with the AP religion in order for the vote to come up as a choice. Since the Resident gets to choose what gets voted on from among the choices, it helps to be the Resident if you are pursuing the AP Diplo victory. However, if you qualify as the other candidate and the Resident chooses to have that vote, you can still win.
For the UN, again it is the Secretary General and the highest (or second highest) population who are the candidates but total population is what counts. Since all civs are automatically members of the UN, there is no other requirement. There is, however, a limitation. If you have enough votes to elect yourself with no one else voting for you then the Diplo victory becomes disabled. Similarly to the AP, the Secretary General gets to choose the motions for voting, so it helps to be the SecGen if you are pursuing that victory. Otherwise, you are dependent on the AI who is SecGen deciding to try for the victory. You can win that way. In a recent game, I was about 10 turns away from a Cultural Victory, when the AI who was SecGen decided to have a vote for the Diplo Victory. Much to my surprise I won. I knew he could not win because I had enough votes to stop anyone else from winning the vote but two other civs who I thought would vote for him voted for me instead.
OP: It's an either victory. AP victory or UN victory. S Bernaum gave a good rundown, but I have a couple of additions.
If you can't get yourself elected Resident, your chance of Diplo victory is about nil. If they won't vote for you for Resident, they are even less likely to vote you for Diplo victory. And you need more votes for Diplo victory. There is the AP "cheese" victory. Build the AP religion when you're in some dead religion (Spiritual Civs do well here) and then switch out of that religion after AP is built (diplo reasons). Spread that religion to your best friend and you heavily and then spread the AP religion to one city of each other Civ. Since nobody runs that religion as state religion, you are only candidate for resident. You and your bud vote you to victory!
I believe the requirement that you can't vote yourself in only applies to AP. I've never tested it out because I take vassals when I'm on a military push. Your vassals have to vote for you (UN and AP) and so when you and your vassals have enough relative population, you can vote yourself in even if everyone hates you. It's called Diplomation - I'm not diplomatic enough for regular diplo victory. In fact, often diplomation is faster than domination. Because in domination only half of your vassals land/population counts. In UN election, all of your vassals population count.
reddishrecue
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Not a question here too but that Catherine is quite a character because when I saw Ragnar as Catherine his name was "rooterlord".
Turquoiside
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What a programm did I need to install Civilitation 5 Mods.
Wrong thread, forum, and game
The CiV one: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=383126
Some_stranger
Chieftain
Just curious, who is regarded to all as the greatest Civ 4 player? Is it Sid himself?
None. There are a couple of "challenges" around, which have been won by various people over the years.
There is a surprising amount of players that can win the game on Deity (highest difficulty) on a regular basis, some of these are also still active on these forums. You can find them easily if you want to...
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
I somehow think it would not be Sid.
Realistically, there is no one "best" player, and there are good players in a whole bunch of different categories. There are players who are great at winning and maximizing score in tough single player games; you can find many of them in the Hall of Fame here. There are also players who excel at fast-paced blitz multiplayer games; many of them can be found on the "multiplayer ladder" websites, and sometimes in the Civ4 multiplayer lobby. Additionally, there are those who are great at doing well in long-haul multiplayer games, such as democracy games and large-scale pitboss games; these folks are more scattered about but you can find them if you look for them. There are probably other categories I'm missing.
Basically, if you're looking for one "supreme" player you're not going to find one, because nobody is infallible and everyone plays the game differently. But you can certainly find many players about who are very skilled at particular approaches to playing the game. You just have to look for them.
Hope that clarifies things.
Verarde
Pondering Wearing A Hat
Some_stranger
Chieftain
So you are saying that this 'Vexing' guy who wins with the highest score etc. would probably lose to someone in a blitz match? Interesting. Okay, new question, what is the lowest your tech slider should be, and is there a % to # cities ratio?I somehow think it would not be Sid.
Realistically, there is no one "best" player, and there are good players in a whole bunch of different categories. There are players who are great at winning and maximizing score in tough single player games; you can find many of them in the Hall of Fame here. There are also players who excel at fast-paced blitz multiplayer games; many of them can be found on the "multiplayer ladder" websites, and sometimes in the Civ4 multiplayer lobby. Additionally, there are those who are great at doing well in long-haul multiplayer games, such as democracy games and large-scale pitboss games; these folks are more scattered about but you can find them if you look for them. There are probably other categories I'm missing.
Basically, if you're looking for one "supreme" player you're not going to find one, because nobody is infallible and everyone plays the game differently. But you can certainly find many players about who are very skilled at particular approaches to playing the game. You just have to look for them.
Hope that clarifies things.
Ghpstage
Deity
Theres no minimum, people have won at the highest difficulties after extended periods of losing a lot of gold at 0% science. Theres no ratio of any kind to do with this either.
What actually matters is your
output, which isn't wholly dependant on your % as the slider only deals with 
.
dalamb
Deity
In fact it was the main technique you needed for a BOTM a while back, in order to get off your initial ice-locked continent.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
I don't know anything about that guy personally, so I couldn't say for sure. But generally speaking, someone with a lot of single player experience but little to no multiplayer experience will not fare well against multiplayer pros on their own turf. Just like the multiplayer pros would probably not be as good at maximizing score in single player games.
As has been said above, there's no fixed lowest value that the tech slider should be (except you obviously can't go below 0% regardless). However, for a newer player learning the ropes, most folks will recommend not letting the tech rate go below 50-60%. It's a good general rule of thumb that should help you to roughly pace your expansion at the right rate. If your tech slider is up really high (80-90%), it's a sign that you definitely need to get some more cities out (or take some over). If your tech slider drops to 30-40%, it's generally a sign that it's time to ease up on the Settlers in favour of building infrastructure, and/or to cool off on the warring for a bit.
Actually Sullla played in a six-month game that just finished a week or two ago, under the pseudonym of Locke. (Link)
He's also about to start playing in another game, under his own name this time. (Link)
Some_stranger
Chieftain
Alright that makes sense I guess, usually I try for 90% but if 50-60% is okay Expansion is something I definitely need to do.
My last question is, why does everyone hate Montezuma?
My last question is, why does everyone hate Montezuma?
Sisiutil
All Leader Challenger
Trying to keep your slider at 90% will likely keep you from properly building up your civ, especially as you proceed up through the difficulty levels. 10-15 cities at 50% on the slider will almost always produce more research points than 4-5 cities at 80-90%.
Montezuma is a hair-trigger warmonger. He builds almost nothing but units, scads of them, and attacks at the least provocation. If he's next door to you, you have little choice but to prepare for war, because it's almost guaranteed that he will attack you. The only way to avoid this is to share his religion and give into every request/demand he makes. Even then there's no guarantees unless he has someone else to attack whom he likes less. However, AFAIK he will not attack at Friendly, so that makes him marginally better than Catherine.
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