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[hth]

Hello. Good to see this forum still in good shape.

Q: If trade deal via coast is breaking by 3rd hostile side (e.g. barb's galley) then who get rep. hit, if anybody?

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On another topic. Usually users go whining then small chance of flipping fired against them. Last time I got reverse: estimated at almost 50% chance city was NEVER flip, without any garrison! Can used by me formula be wrong?

((ycd / ecd) * (ec / yc) * (fn + to + r) * (hc > cc ? 2 : 1) * (cd ? 2 : 1) * (wlkd ? 0.5 : 1)) - us
// where
// ycd is "Your capital distance"
// ecd is "Enemy capital distance"
// ec is "Enemy Culture"
// yc is "Your Culture"
// fn is "Foreign Nationals"
// to is "Tiles Occupied"
// r is "Resistors"
// hc is "Historic Culture"
// cc is "Current Culture"
// cd is "Civil Disorder"
// wlkd is "We Love the King Day"
// us is "Units stationed"

It was city founded on ruins foreign one, near enemy capital with tremendous culture (1000+,3lvl). So it has these *'s: 4 enemy tiles, 3 times closer distance to enemy capital, and "in awe of" overall enemy's culture (4-5 times according powergraph). 4*3*4 = 48.

One more point: it is TAM 2.1 PtW mod. I have some introductory fun with poor Jews on humble monarch level.

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Well, according to CA2 that city has 3.1-6.2% chance, requiring 42 units to cut it off. So (I think) know where I'm wrong: overall result (after substracting units) should be decimated to become actual flip chance.

 

[Lanzelot]

If trade deal via coast is breaking by 3rd hostile side (e.g. barb's galley) then who get rep. hit, if anybody?

The side which is sending. So I would assume, if you are exchanging a resource with the AI, both of you would get the rep hit. While if you are selling a resource to the AI for gpt, only you would get the hit. (And vice versa.)

 

[Takhisis]

Doesn't stopping gpt also get you a reputation hit?

 

[Lanzelot]

Good question. But the deal was ended by the AI no longer sending you the resource, not by you stopping to pay the money. Does the game recognize that?

 

[Takhisis]

I don't know. I don't have any way to read that.

 

[hth]

Btw is there a way to see exactly a reputation value? CA2 have no help with.

So I would assume, if you are exchanging a resource with the AI, both of you would get the rep hit. While if you are selling a resource to the AI for gpt, only you would get the hit. (And vice versa.)

Both times it was exchange. For the third time I begin to worry about my reputation and <s>boldly go</s> send galley to investigate this phenomenon. After ages it finally reach the point where waters fall from northern edge of the world so no mortal ship (except merchant boats and flying gods of gpt deals) can pass to Kolchidian coast.

 

[Lanzelot]

Perhaps we can "indirectly" investigate this: if the AI accepted a resource deal a second (and even a third) time after it got interrupted by barbarians, it seems like your trade rep was not damaged!

 

[hth]

Unfortunately I have no saves close to that point...

 

[Takhisis]

Unfortunately I have no saves close to that point...

In the name of scientific research, you should play more civ3.

 

[Theov]

If the AI is saying things like "you should burn like dry wood inside a vulcano because you have betrayed us before" (or something along those lines) then it means your have f_ed him over before. If he didnt say that before, then you broke a promise. Not sure if he takes his rep into consideration. Dont think so, only what he thinks of you.

 

[Takhisis]

The AI always thinks of itself as never having been to blame for anything in its foreign relations. That is one field in which it is up to the level of the human player.

 

[vmxa]

"That is one field in which it is up to the level of the human player."
That cracked me up.

 

[Samson]

Is there a way to play the Age of Discovery Conquest as the Iroquois?

 

[Civinator]

Is there a way to play the Age of Discovery Conquest as the Iroquois?

The Iroquois must be set in the players settings to be playable by the human player, what I did in the attached biq.

 

[tjs282]

Is there a way to play the Age of Discovery Conquest as the Iroquois?

Open up the .biq in the Editor, open the Scenario Properties box, "Players" tab, scroll down to Player 9 (the Iroquois) in the upper central box, and then tick the 'Human Player' box in the upper right.

Assuming you don't want to over-write the original, save the edited .biq under a new name, and/or in "...Scenarios", and exit the Editor.

I did something similar to make the Ichijo and Ryuzoji also playable in the Sengoku Conquest.

(Also messed up the Armies and Leaders, but that's another story...)

And appropriately, I apparently just got Ninja'd by Civinator...

 

[Samson]

The Iroquois must be set in the players settings to be playable by the human player, what I did in the attached biq.

That works perfectly, thank you.

Open up the .biq in the Editor, open the Scenario Properties box, "Players" tab, scroll down to Player 9 (the Iroquois) in the upper central box, and then tick the 'Human Player' box in the upper right.

Assuming you don't want to over-write the original, save the edited .biq under a new name, and/or in "...Scenarios", and exit the Editor.

I did something similar to make the Ichijo and Ryuzoji also playable in the Sengoku Conquest.

(Also messed up the Armies and Leaders, but that's another story...)

On which subject, just got Ninja'd by Civinator...

I have never got an editor working. Which do you use?

 

[tjs282]

I have never got an editor working. Which do you use?

I still use the standard Firaxis Civ3ConquestsEdit.exe (v.1.03, I assume, since I have a DL-version of Civ3Complete from GamersGate), which was installed automatically in my ../CivIII/Conquests/ folder, along with the rest of the game-files.

I do also have @Quintillus' Editor downloaded, but have not installed it yet.

Are you on a Mac or something?

 

[Samson]

I still use the standard Firaxis Civ3ConquestsEdit.exe (v.1.03, I assume, since I have a DL-version of Civ3Complete from GamersGate), which was installed automatically in my ../CivIII/Conquests/ folder, along with the rest of the game-files.

I do also have @Quintillus' Editor downloaded, but have not installed it yet.

Are you on a Mac or something?

No, I thought you meant a save game editor. I have that, but I never knew it was there.

 

[Takhisis]

I did something similar to make the Ichijo and Ryuzoji also playable in the Sengoku Conquest.

In that scenario, the best course of action is to try the Otomo to conquer all of Kyushu and then try to conquer Honshu and/or Shikoku.

When we say that we used to make our own entertainment before that Internet thing came along, we mean it.

 

[tjs282]

This post in the Civ3 Strategy forum led me to a discussion of the "AU Mod", which I (now) remember reading about years back (quite possibly before I'd even bought Complete), and being very impressed by/ interested in at the time (to the point where it appears that I've been remembering and implementing their ideas wholesale in my own more recent — and ongoing — modding efforts).

Unfortunately 'Poly seems to have suffered a similar level of link-breakage as CFC over the years, and the main AU Mod thread-link to download the most "recent" release (v.1.07, from 2003?) is no longer directly accessible. So I went googling to see if I could find it anywhere, but (being me) swiftly became distracted by a related (archived?) AUMod discussion thread, where I found the following post which had this to say:

Quote:
Originally posted by laissez-faire
Theseus, can you explain what you mean here? How does the work of slaves differ from citizens?

Slaves cost no support but also work only at half speed, compared to your own workers. Furthermore the civ whose citizens those slaves are wont like that at all. They'll be angry at you, which you can use e.g. if you want *them* to declare war.

Now I already knew the first part — but is the bolded really true? Does Slavery really cause an attitude-hit in and of itself, or does this quote possibly represent a misunderstanding on the part of 'Poly-user Killerdaffy, e.g. because his(?) Workers(Foreign) were mostly obtained from razing towns?

It is certainly the case in most of my longer games that my Worker-force is almost entirely foreign by the late game, and by that point it is usually also true that most of the remaining AI-Civs are generally Angry to Furious with me — even though I do my best to avoid breaking deals, usually only fight wars when declared upon (possibly after provoking them, sure, but usually it's not me who issues the DoW!), and I do not raze captured AI-towns, on principle: my Workers(Foreign) are usually obtained by building/rushing them from captured towns after the resistance is quelled.

So, am I really getting attitude-hits from being a nasty slavedriver — or is it just because I is winning?