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If you can hold his religion down until Industrial, he can never switch it back again since prophets won't spawn anymore.
 
Drakle said:
Hey, what is the AI thought process when it comes to being a founder, and being religiously overtaken by the player? I'm playing Austria, and I've been pummeling the Ottomans first with a great Prophet, and then missionaries. I have converted all but about 2 of his cities, including the capital, yet he hates me and is actively trying to convert back. Will this stop if I get all his cities?

Also if he gets a Great Prophet, will it be his religion or mine, if his capital is my religion?
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I wrote all of the code for this myself not that long ago. :)

Normal calculation (a similar calculation is used when calculating approach):
Code: 
int CvDiplomacyAI::GetReligionScore(PlayerTypes ePlayer)
{
   int iOpinionWeight = 0;
   if (GC.getGame().isOption(GAMEOPTION_NO_RELIGION)) return 0;
   if (IsVassal(ePlayer)) return 0; // Don't double dip

   ReligionTypes eOurStateReligion = GetPlayer()->GetReligions()->GetCurrentReligion(false);
   ReligionTypes eOurMajorityReligion = GetPlayer()->GetReligions()->GetReligionInMostCities();
   ReligionTypes eTheirStateReligion = GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).GetReligions()->GetCurrentReligion(false);
   ReligionTypes eTheirMajorityReligion = GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).GetReligions()->GetReligionInMostCities();

   int iFlavorReligion = m_pPlayer->GetFlavorManager()->GetPersonalityFlavorForDiplomacy((FlavorTypes)GC.getInfoTypeForString("FLAVOR_RELIGION"));
   int iEraMod = GC.getEraInfo(GC.getGame().getCurrentEra())->getDiploEmphasisReligion();

   // Weight increases or decreases based on flavors
   if (iFlavorReligion < 5)
   {
       iEraMod = max(0, iEraMod - 1);
   }
   else if (iFlavorReligion > 7)
   {
       iEraMod++;
   }

#if defined(MOD_BALANCE_CORE)
   iEraMod += (MOD_BALANCE_CORE && GetPlayer()->GetPlayerTraits()->IsReligious()) ? 1 : 0;
#endif

   // We didn't found or conquer, but have a majority religion
   if (eOurStateReligion == NO_RELIGION && eOurMajorityReligion != NO_RELIGION)
   {
       if (GetNegativeReligiousConversionPoints(ePlayer) <= 0 && !IsHolyCityCapturedBy(ePlayer))
       {
           if (eOurMajorityReligion == eTheirStateReligion)
           {
               // They must have at least one of their own cities following their state religion to get a bonus
               if (GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetNumDomesticCitiesFollowing(eTheirStateReligion, ePlayer) > 0)
               {
                   iOpinionWeight += /*-4*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_ADOPTING_HIS_RELIGION() * iEraMod;

                   // If it's the World Religion and they're its controller, support them since we get extra League votes from it
                   if (GC.getGame().GetGameLeagues()->GetReligionSpreadStrengthModifier(ePlayer, eTheirStateReligion) > 0)
                   {
                       iOpinionWeight *= /*150*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_WORLD_RELIGION_MODIFIER();
                       iOpinionWeight /= 100;
                   }
               }
           }
           // Same majority religions?
           else if (eOurMajorityReligion == eTheirMajorityReligion)
           {
               iOpinionWeight += /*-2*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_SAME_MAJORITY_RELIGIONS() * iEraMod;
           }
       }
       // Different majority religions?
       if (eOurMajorityReligion != eTheirStateReligion && eOurMajorityReligion != eTheirMajorityReligion && eTheirMajorityReligion != NO_RELIGION)
       {
           iOpinionWeight += /*2*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_DIFFERENT_MAJORITY_RELIGIONS() * iEraMod;
       }
   }
   // We founded or conquered
   else if (eOurStateReligion != NO_RELIGION)
   {
       // Do they also have a state religion? We don't like that!
       if (eTheirStateReligion != NO_RELIGION && GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetNumDomesticCitiesFollowing(eTheirStateReligion, ePlayer) > 0)
       {
           iOpinionWeight += /*5*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_DIFFERENT_STATE_RELIGIONS() * iEraMod;

           // If it's the World Religion and they control its Holy City, we should work against them
           if (GC.getGame().GetGameLeagues()->GetReligionSpreadStrengthModifier(ePlayer, eTheirStateReligion) > 0)
           {
               iOpinionWeight *= /*150*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_WORLD_RELIGION_MODIFIER();
               iOpinionWeight /= 100;
           }
       }
       // No? Well, do they have a majority religion?
       else if (eTheirMajorityReligion != NO_RELIGION)
       {
           // Ours?
           if (eTheirMajorityReligion == eOurStateReligion)
           {
               iOpinionWeight += /*-8*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_ADOPTING_MY_RELIGION() * iEraMod;

               // If it's the World Religion and we control its Holy City, we should work together
               if (GC.getGame().GetGameLeagues()->GetReligionSpreadStrengthModifier(GetPlayer()->GetID(), eOurStateReligion) > 0)
               {
                   iOpinionWeight *= /*150*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_WORLD_RELIGION_MODIFIER();
                   iOpinionWeight /= 100;
               }
           }
           // Someone else's?
           else
           {
               const CvReligion* pReligion = GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetReligion(eTheirMajorityReligion, NO_PLAYER);

               // If the religion's founder is our teammate, don't apply a penalty if that teammate is still alive.
               if (IsTeammate((PlayerTypes)pReligion->m_eFounder) && GET_PLAYER((PlayerTypes)pReligion->m_eFounder).getNumCities() > 0)
                   return 0;

               // If the religion's founder is THEIR teammate, treat it like a state religion.
               if (GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).GetDiplomacyAI()->IsTeammate((PlayerTypes)pReligion->m_eFounder) && GET_PLAYER((PlayerTypes)pReligion->m_eFounder).getNumCities() > 0)
               {
                   iOpinionWeight += /*5*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_DIFFERENT_STATE_RELIGIONS() * iEraMod;

                   // If it's the World Religion and their teammate controls its Holy City, we should work against them
                   if (GC.getGame().GetGameLeagues()->GetReligionSpreadStrengthModifier((PlayerTypes)pReligion->m_eFounder, eTheirMajorityReligion) > 0)
                   {
                       iOpinionWeight *= /*150*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_WORLD_RELIGION_MODIFIER();
                       iOpinionWeight /= 100;
                   }
               }
               // Otherwise, apply a penalty for different majority religions.
               else
               {
                   iOpinionWeight += /*2*/ GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_DIFFERENT_MAJORITY_RELIGIONS() * iEraMod;
               }
           }
       }
   }

   if (iOpinionWeight > 0 && IsIgnoreReligionDifferences(ePlayer))
       return 0;

   return iOpinionWeight;
}

Vassal calculation:
Code: 
int CvDiplomacyAI::GetVassalReligionScore(PlayerTypes ePlayer) const
{
   if (GC.getGame().isOption(GAMEOPTION_NO_RELIGION)) return 0;
   if (!IsVassal(ePlayer)) return 0;

   int iOpinionWeight = 0;

   ReligionTypes eVassalStateReligion = GetPlayer()->GetReligions()->GetCurrentReligion(false);
   ReligionTypes eVassalMajorityReligion = GetPlayer()->GetReligions()->GetReligionInMostCities();
   ReligionTypes eMasterStateReligion = GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).GetReligions()->GetCurrentReligion(false);
   ReligionTypes eMasterMajorityReligion = GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).GetReligions()->GetReligionInMostCities();

   // No vassal religion - don't care
   if (eVassalStateReligion == NO_RELIGION && eVassalMajorityReligion == NO_RELIGION)
       return 0;

   // Vassal did not found or conquer
   if (eVassalStateReligion == NO_RELIGION)
   {
       // Master founded, and we have their religion
       if (eMasterStateReligion != NO_RELIGION && eMasterStateReligion == eVassalMajorityReligion && GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetNumDomesticCitiesFollowing(eMasterStateReligion, ePlayer) > 0)
       {
           iOpinionWeight += -20;
       }
       // Same majority religions
       else if (eMasterMajorityReligion != NO_RELIGION && eMasterMajorityReligion == eVassalMajorityReligion)
       {
           iOpinionWeight += -10;
       }
   }
   // Vassal did found or conquer
   else
   {
       // Master also founded or conquered
       if (eMasterStateReligion != NO_RELIGION && GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetNumDomesticCitiesFollowing(eMasterStateReligion, ePlayer) > 0)
       {
           // ... and it's our majority religion
           if (eMasterStateReligion == eVassalMajorityReligion)
           {
               iOpinionWeight += 25;
           }
           // ... and they've converted some of our cities
           else if (GC.getGame().GetGameReligions()->GetNumDomesticCitiesFollowing(eMasterStateReligion, GetPlayer()->GetID()) > 0)
           {
               iOpinionWeight += 10;
           }
       }
       // Master did not found or conquer, but does have a majority religion - ours
       else if (eMasterMajorityReligion != NO_RELIGION && eMasterMajorityReligion == eVassalStateReligion)
       {
           iOpinionWeight += -40;
       }
   }
  
   if (IsVoluntaryVassalage(ePlayer))
   {
       iOpinionWeight *= GC.getOPINION_WEIGHT_VASSALAGE_VOLUNTARY_VASSAL_MOD();
       iOpinionWeight /= 100;
   }

   // No opinion bonuses if the Holy City was captured and we don't have it back yet
   if (iOpinionWeight < 0 && GetPlayer()->IsHasLostHolyCity() && IsPlayerCapturedHolyCity(ePlayer))
       return 0;

   // No opinion penalties if ignoring religious differences
   if (iOpinionWeight > 0 && GetPlayer()->GetDiplomacyAI()->IsIgnoreReligionDifferences(ePlayer))
       return 0;

   return iOpinionWeight;
}

Whether to ignore religious differences:
Code: 
/// Should we ignore religious differences with ePlayer?
bool CvDiplomacyAI::IsIgnoreReligionDifferences(PlayerTypes ePlayer) const
{
   if (IsTeammate(ePlayer) || IsMaster(ePlayer))
       return true;

   if (GetNegativeReligiousConversionPoints(ePlayer) > 0)
       return false;

   if (IsAtWar(ePlayer) || IsCapitalCapturedBy(ePlayer) || IsHolyCityCapturedBy(ePlayer) || IsTeamUntrustworthy(GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).getTeam()))
       return false;

   if (IsPlayerLiberatedCapital(ePlayer) || WasResurrectedBy(ePlayer) || GET_TEAM(GetTeam()).GetLiberatedByTeam() == GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).getTeam() || GetDoFType(ePlayer) == DOF_TYPE_BATTLE_BROTHERS)
       return true;

   return false;
}

Great Prophets are born in the city with the greatest Faith output, not the capital - so it'd be whatever religion that city is, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Interesting I did wonder why sometimes the great prophet wasn't born in my capital and why sometimes it was the same for the AI.
 
Hello!
I plan to start a VP Game and thinking of playing Marathon or even Epic Game Speed with marocco - would you recommend it or is Standard Game Speed better balanced? Since I have not much time I do not want to have to restart after lots of turns because it is not balanced for this Speed.
Thank You!
 
IljaMacabre said:
Hello!
I plan to start a VP Game and thinking of playing Marathon or even Epic Game Speed with marocco - would you recommend it or is Standard Game Speed better balanced? Since I have not much time I do not want to have to restart after lots of turns because it is not balanced for this Speed.
Thank You!
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If you prefer longer (epic, ha!) games and you are new, then I would recommend the epic speed. It is my favorite speed too. But if you can stand the quick pace of standard, maybe standard will be even better for the first playthrough or two. VP is balanced for standard first and foremost, but I think it works with epic very well. There are also many people playing marathon, but I'd try it only once you get grasp of the new rules and features, etc. I'd have the same concern as you do - if your game goes south on marathon because you don't know how VP works, you will waste too much time.
 
Standard is a bit more balanced around but not to the point where other modes aren't fine. VP games do have more turns on average than un-modded games.
 
Playing 9-8 Vox 43civ EUI version here.

Anyone have advice on how to keep track of diplomacy? Things are so dynamic in this version which I love.
I've always used Infoaddict, but once you go over a certain number of civs it doesn't display correctly. Anyone out there know of a modified version that displays correctly or of something else to keep track of it all?
 
@Skidizzle , check the stickied mods compatibility thread. There should be a linked lite version of Infoaddict - sorry, forgot its name. Never tried it myself, but it should display the relationships between civs - not sure how it handles 43 civs though.
 
Has the mod become easier over the last, say, year or so? I remember struggling a lot in King, and now that I'm playing it again I'm managing to fight my way out of Immortal.

I used to get bullied a lot in the early game, now it's more of a smooth sailing and the challenge is now in the mid-late game with the AI refusing to let you win.
 
Does Temple of Artemis production buff include horse archers? What about ranged gunpowder units and siege units?
 
Zanteogo said:
Air units will auto attack other air units if set to this.
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I will expound on this a bit.

Interception is a promotion that is available to the following units:

1) Anti-Air Gun / Mobile Sam
2) Triplane / Fighter / Jet Fighter
3) Destroyer / Missile Cruiser / Carrier

For numbers 1 and 3, Interception is on all the time, but has limited range. For Category 1 its 3 hexes for AA gun, and 4 for Mobile Sam. For category 3 the range is 2 hexes.

For category 2, you use the full range of the unit, but must set the unit to "Interception" for it to work, otherwise the unit will not intercept.


When you air strike a city or unit that is within an interceptor's range, an interception chance is rolled (the chance depends on the number of interception promotions you have which are in the promotions description. This can normally vary from 25% to a full 100% chance). When there are multiple interceptors, only 1 unit can actual intercept (the rules for multiple interceptors is a bit complex for this description, suffice it to say you only ever worry about one interception with each attack).

If an interception occurs, the interceptor does an attack to the aircraft (your normal CS vs CS comparison). Note that Category 1 and 2 units have promotions that give them bonus CS against aircraft, and Category 2 gets further CS with its interception promotion. That is why even though its 1 "attack", it can do significant damage to the aircraft.... similar to how a strong mounted unit can nearly kill an archer unit in 1 attack.
 
Jiggly said:
Does Temple of Artemis production buff include horse archers? What about ranged gunpowder units and siege units?
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The word Archery unit is used to describe every ranged and mounted ranged unit, including the gunpowder and even the light tank and helicopter gunship, so I believe Temple of Artemis affects them all. However siege units are a separate category of unit, and are not effected
 
Random question, but is the image for the 'National Monument/Epic' depicting a real triumphal arch, or is it just generic art?
 
CrazyG said:
I think it's the Arc de Triomphe in france. I think the Heroic Epic is a world war 2 era monument but I forget from where.
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Yeah, I figured it was Arc de Triomphe. Thank you.

Heroic Epic is the US Marine War Memorial, in Virginia, based off the famous Iwo Jima picture.
 
Hello!
Unfortunately the Ottoman is not growing in my game, it looks like he is not working on the food tiles, since the Amber creates more profit. But without working, the poor Ottoman will not be happy in a long term.. Is this a known issue?
It makes the nice start in the game a bit frustrating when one civ is out of game because of a bug.. Therefore I even think of restart... But probably this will happen more often?

https://ibb.co/f05CSby
 
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