Paul in Saudi
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I don't even want to think about it.
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Borachio
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Well, 3 months is sad but any age is equally sad, imo.
These family annihilations are special cases, I think.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cw5ns
I think, maybe, that the men who do this are likely to have a self-image of themselves as the perfect provider. When something contradicts this view, they can be liable to annihilate their families rather than adjust themselves to the new reality.
These family annihilations are special cases, I think.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cw5ns
I think, maybe, that the men who do this are likely to have a self-image of themselves as the perfect provider. When something contradicts this view, they can be liable to annihilate their families rather than adjust themselves to the new reality.
Paul in Saudi
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While reading (somewhere) yesterday, the FBI has suddenly changed the rules. They now say three or more killed in a single emotional event counts as a mass killing. Perhaps this is like the EPA quietly changing what constitutes a "red alert" pollution day. As got cleaner, there were fewer very, very bad days. To make up for it they changed the requirement and made just very bad days count.
As I have often mentioned, the number of mass shootings (4 or more) is trending down.
As I have often mentioned, the number of mass shootings (4 or more) is trending down.
Should be striving for zero on both cases. I don't think there's anything wrong with either rule change, but the reasoning should be publicized.
Paul in Saudi
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I have seen headlines in the general press to the effect that an FBI report indicates mass killings are up. In truth I have not read the stories; I am too saddened by all this. I wonder if the writers have taken into account the moved goalposts?
Bamspeedy
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Mass killings, mass shooting, or "active shooter"?
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/09/why-you-shouldnt-fear-the-mass-shooting-rise.html
Paul in Saudi
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I am attempting to track mass killings, although the list here includes only gun deaths. (Remarkable how many mass killings there are by arson. It makes me shutter.) I still do not know what the heck an "active shooter " is. I suspect the FBI is trying to keep up the panic.
Scroll through a few pages here to get to a very depressing graphic that includes all forms of mass homicide in the US year-by-year.
==eta==
I am getting an error message on that link. It might be a Saudi thing, or not.
Here are two years of the data in tabular form.
Scroll through a few pages here to get to a very depressing graphic that includes all forms of mass homicide in the US year-by-year.
==eta==
I am getting an error message on that link. It might be a Saudi thing, or not.
Here are two years of the data in tabular form.
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
Active shooter is someone killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area (so even when no one dies it is counted). I don't think a person killing his family counts unless he did it out in a public place or work place.
So the news headlines are misleading by taking the statistic of number of active shooter and labeling it as mass shootings.
FBI does not count the shooter as a victim if he/she commits suicide or is shot by police, while your list seems to count it, IIRC.
Still, there must be some other criteria that is different as the article says there was only 6 mass shootings in 2013, so since there is 20 this year there is something wrong here. I bet FBI definition of mass shootings also requires "public place" requirements, so the father killing his family at home doesn't count.
Paul in Saudi
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I may be losing interest in this project. I can see more clearly now "it is all how you count it." I have eliminated a number of events because there were two or more shooters. The case in California where the guy was supposedly killing college women, he also stabbed people, so it does not make some lists. Count the killer or not? What about people who kill here, drive across town and then kill again?
There have to be rules, but there seem to be too many conflicting ones.
On the other hand, it is interesting as we can see patterns. Did you notice how there were no mass killings for six weeks after (I think) the Virginia Tech massacre? I never suspected there were so many arson killings.
Forget crossing the street is a gang member is coming down the sidewalk. Cross the street if you see your dad coming towards you.
There have to be rules, but there seem to be too many conflicting ones.
On the other hand, it is interesting as we can see patterns. Did you notice how there were no mass killings for six weeks after (I think) the Virginia Tech massacre? I never suspected there were so many arson killings.
Forget crossing the street is a gang member is coming down the sidewalk. Cross the street if you see your dad coming towards you.
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Paul in Saudi
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21) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
Total Incidents 21
Total killed 97
A pattern we can see is that after an especially large or gruesome massacre, there is a pause before the next one.
Total Incidents 21
Total killed 97
A pattern we can see is that after an especially large or gruesome massacre, there is a pause before the next one.
Rashiminos
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This is kind of like asking why a pot should be placed over a campfire instead of just letting the wood burn.
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Some updates. The Port Orange case does not make the list as one of those shot has recovered. We can all be grateful.
The Springville Utah case is still developing. The police have not released a suspected day of death, but are now saying the family was poisoned. This is Item 21 on the list.
It would, I think, be worthwhile to maintain this list to the end of the year. I am willing to be convinced one way or the other if I ought to keep this grim project going next year. Bethatasitmay, here is it;
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2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
13) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
14) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
15) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
16) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
17) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
18) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
19) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
20) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
21) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
22) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
Total Incidents 22
Total killed 102
The Springville Utah case is still developing. The police have not released a suspected day of death, but are now saying the family was poisoned. This is Item 21 on the list.
It would, I think, be worthwhile to maintain this list to the end of the year. I am willing to be convinced one way or the other if I ought to keep this grim project going next year. Bethatasitmay, here is it;
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2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
13) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
14) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
15) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
16) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
17) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
18) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
19) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
20) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
21) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
22) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
Total Incidents 22
Total killed 102
Borachio
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I think it's an interesting project.
I'm actually quite "pleased" the figures are, comparatively, low. I mean compared with road deaths these are trivial numbers, aren't they?
Of course you might say that road deaths are unavoidable accidents. Though really they aren't, imo. Or on the other hand, meeting a mass killer is largely a matter of chance, so in a sense accidental death too. Unless you're a member of their family.
I'm actually quite "pleased" the figures are, comparatively, low. I mean compared with road deaths these are trivial numbers, aren't they?
Of course you might say that road deaths are unavoidable accidents. Though really they aren't, imo. Or on the other hand, meeting a mass killer is largely a matter of chance, so in a sense accidental death too. Unless you're a member of their family.
Paul in Saudi
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Another person has died from the Marysville Washington high school shooting...
23) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 4 killed
Total Incidents 23
Total killed 106
23) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 4 killed
Total Incidents 23
Total killed 106
Paul in Saudi
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I have added back in the two non-shooting incidents. It seems arbitrary not to count them.
Today in Tabernacle NJ, Mom shot her kids and self, but we can still hope two of the children will survive and so not make the list. On the other hand, there has been a killing in Cleveland. Ohio seems to have a lot of these things, don't you think?
2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 23 May 2014 Isla Vista CA 6 killed (3 stabbed)
13) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
14) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
15) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
16) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
17) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
18) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
19) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
20) ??August/September 2014, Bucyrus, OH, 4 killed, but all beaten
21) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
22) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
23) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
24) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
25) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 5 killed
26) 21 November 2014, Cleveland OH 4 killed
Total Incidents 26
Total killed 121
Today in Tabernacle NJ, Mom shot her kids and self, but we can still hope two of the children will survive and so not make the list. On the other hand, there has been a killing in Cleveland. Ohio seems to have a lot of these things, don't you think?
2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 23 May 2014 Isla Vista CA 6 killed (3 stabbed)
13) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
14) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
15) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
16) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
17) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
18) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
19) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
20) ??August/September 2014, Bucyrus, OH, 4 killed, but all beaten
21) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
22) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
23) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
24) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
25) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 5 killed
26) 21 November 2014, Cleveland OH 4 killed
Total Incidents 26
Total killed 121
Paul in Saudi
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27) 22 November 2014, Sisseton SD 4 killed
Total Incidents 27
Total killed 125
Total Incidents 27
Total killed 125
Paul in Saudi
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A third child succumbed to his wounds in Tabernacle, New Jersey. This brings that even up to the required four dead.
2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 23 May 2014 Isla Vista CA 6 killed (3 stabbed)
13) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
14) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
15) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
16) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
17) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
18) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
19) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
20) ??August/September 2014, Bucyrus, OH, 4 killed, but all beaten
21) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
22) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
23) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
24) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
25) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 5 killed
26) 21 November 2014, Cleveland OH 4 killed
27) 21 November 2014, Tabernacle NJ 4 killed
28) 22 November 2014, Sisseton SD 4 killed
Total Incidents 28
Total killed 126
2014 Mass Killing in USA
1) 16 January 2014 Spanish Fork UT, 5 killed
2) 3 February 2014 Cypress TX, 4 killed
3) 6 February 2014 Defiance OH, 4 dead
4) 20 February 2014 Indianapolis IN, 4 killed
5) 20 February 2014 Alturas, CA, 4 killed
6) 24 February 2014 Glade Springs VA 4 killed
7) 26 February 2014 Oak Lawn IL, 4 killed.
8) 2 April 2014 Fort Hood, TX, 4 killed
9) 3 May 2014 Jonesboro AK 4 killed
10) 9 May 2014 Tampa FL 4 killed
11) 9 May 2014 Pomona, CA 4 killed
12) 23 May 2014 Isla Vista CA 6 killed (3 stabbed)
13) 24 May 2014 Goleta, CA, 7 killed
14) 8 June 2014 San Carlos Park, FL, 5 killed
15) 16 June, 2014 Chesterfield County, VA, 4 killed
16) 9 July 2014 Spring, TX, 6 killed
17) 27 July 2014 Saco, ME 5 killed
18) 4 August 2014, Culpeper, VA 5 killed
19) 31 August 2014, Elmhurst IL 4 killed
20) ??August/September 2014, Bucyrus, OH, 4 killed, but all beaten
21) 3 September 2014, Greenville SC 4 killed
22) 18 September 2014, Bell, FL 8 killed
23) c. 27 September 2014, Springville UT 5 killed
24) 8 October 2014, Richmond VA 4 killed
25) 24 October 2014, Marysville WA 5 killed
26) 21 November 2014, Cleveland OH 4 killed
27) 21 November 2014, Tabernacle NJ 4 killed
28) 22 November 2014, Sisseton SD 4 killed
Total Incidents 28
Total killed 126
Paul in Saudi
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#29 is arguable. The four killings took place in three locations, the suicide at another. Again, it is all how you count them.
29) 1 December 2014, Monongalia County, WV, 5 killed
Total Incidents 29
Total killed 131
29) 1 December 2014, Monongalia County, WV, 5 killed
Total Incidents 29
Total killed 131
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