R&L01 - Monarch Space Race

[RowAndLive]

Roster -
RowAndLive -
Detlef Richter - just played
rrau - (swapped)
jb1964 - UP
Misfit - On Deck
DJMGator13 -

 

[rrau]

In another game he's in with me, jb posted that he will be out of pocket until the 26th. If Misfit can play now, maybe he can swap with him.

 

[Mistfit]

I won't be able to pick this up until tomorrow night. But if jb1964 can't get to this before tomorrow I'd be happy to swap. Just let me know.

Edit @rrau - Ya know we don't get another of your avatar until May of 2007

 

[rrau]

@Misfit - nope I didn't know that. I just know we had one this summer and it happened at the same time I was looking for an avatar, so it became my avatar. (I was actually browsing NASA's site looking for cool pictures when I saw their article posted about blue moons)

 

[jb1964]

@Misfit, This would be the forth SG needing tending tonight.

G01 - Game w/ rrau should be quick 'cause these girls are vicious warmongers
BNH02 - Smaller game but needs careful attention
BNH01 - Monster conquest game w/ ~500 units on a huge map in the Modern Age.

Please swap with me!

 

[Mistfit]

As I mentioned before tonight will not work well with me but I'd be glad to pick this up tomorrow night.

 

[DJMGator13]

I think that's fine, I doubt jb will get through all 3 other SGs.

 

[rrau]

*blinks innocently* us? warmongers? just because we are going to own the whole world by about 100ad? whatever gave you that idea? *blinks innocently again*

 

[Mistfit]

If no one complains I will post my got it now and start playing with in 2 hours. I will check back right before playing to make sure jb didn't grab it.

Edit: Got it and Playing

 

[Mistfit]

PreTurn:
Set game to my preferences.

Time for State of the Republic

Income: +952
Expenses: -940
-538 to science
-38 to Entertainment
-237 to Corruption
-4 Unit Costs

We Currently have per turn deals with 2 civs
Celts;
+8gpt for 2 more turns
We ship then Silks for 2 more turns
+18gpt for 5 turns
They ship us dyes for 5 more turns

Maya:
They ship us incense for 2 turns
We ship them wines and silks for 2 turns

Science at 70%
Lux at 10%

39 Cities
219 Citizens

Military Tradition Due in 4 turns
Magnetism is the only tech after MT left in the Middle Ages

Units:
27 Workers
9 Warriors
3 Archers
4 Spearmen
5 Horsemen
1 Musketman
10 Knights
4 Caravels
1 Army
3 Medieval Infantry
Army Support cost 4gpt

Cities:
Bad-Tibira - Fire clown to hire Taxman
Heaju - Switch from Musketman to Marketplace (I don't like reg units)
Huich'on - fire a clown to start gorwth again
Inch'on - Hurry production of knight for 4 gold to finish the 1 shield needed
Iri - Switch Musket to Library
Isin - Hurry production of Harbor for 32 gold
Manp'o - Hurry production of Aqueduct for 48 gold
Namwon - change to a settler (I honestly can't remember what it was set on before)
Sumer - Hurry Production of Library for 24 gold
Suwon - Change Musketman to Aqueduct

EagleScout the rWarrior gets disbanded for 2 shields
Bruce the rWarrior gets disbanded for 2 shields
2 more un-named warriors bite the dust
Unit cost per turn back to 0gpt

Sell The Celts our WM for 75gold and their WM
Sell The Sumerians our WM for 59 gold and their WM

IBT:
Sumer Library to worker
Inch'on Knight to Bank
Manp'o Aqueduct to Marketplace
Isin Harbor to worker
Teagwon worker to Library
New Seoul Worker to Library

Turn 1 (1080AD)
Join five workers to P'yongyang to bring it to size 12 this cuts the time off of JS Bach from 35 to 29 turns.
Switch Seoul from Bank to Newtons. It's due in 19. I believe it doubles the science beakers out of the town. If so doubling the 147 beakers there should be significant.
Hurry production of the knight in Hangsan for 64 gold
Move troops on N Isle to frustrate the Greeks and to Keep Them from landing any units. I can't remember reading if they have unloaded already but this game of tag is kinda fun.

IBT
Cheju Knight to Bank
Hangsan Knight to Harbor
Hurry production of Marketplace for 8 gold in Sokch'o

Turn 2 (1090AD)
Move troops for the Greeks
Mayan's give WM - Inscense and 9 gold for Chemestry

IBT
Sokch'o Market to Aqueduct

Turn 3 (1100AD)
Join 3 workers to Namp'o to bring it to size 12
Turn down Science to 10% MT still in 1 save 287 gold
Move and Work

IBT
Finish MIL TRAD start MAG
Our people want to build the Military Academy...nah but it does make a nice prebuild
Wosan Uni to Bank
Ulsan Hwach'a to Hwach'a

Turn 4 (1110AD)
Turn Science up to 60% for Magnets in 4 gaining 79gpt
Leave an opening for the Newly arrived Greek ship to land some troops so I can pounce on them.

I realize we don't have Embassies with any one so I do it now.

Celts (77gold):
Entremont is building Magellan's due in 25
Size 12 - 11spt - 6-4-0
3 Spear and a LB or Bowman garrisoned
Own the Great Lighthouse - The Oracle and Sistines Chapel in this city

Mayans (64gold):
Chicken Pizza is building a bank
size 12 with 22spt 6-4-0
16 units garrisoned mix of musket bow and the units from the Knights templar
Of course Knights Templar is in the city

Arabia (67gold)
Mecca is building an Ansar Warrior
size 7 with 11 spt 6-4-0
3 pike and an Ansar Warrior garrisoned
No Wonders in this city

Scandanavia (sp?) (47gold)
Building an Aqueduct
size 6 (of course) with 10 spt 6-4-0
13 horseman 2 pike and a musket doing garrison duty
They have the Pyramids
And the statue of Zeus (so those are not horseman then)

Summerians (26gold)
Building a settler
size 2 1spt 0-10-0
Garrisoned by a whopping 1 Enduku Warrior or what ever that thing is called
They Have a palace this city only. We'd better watch out for this cultural powerhouse


IBT
Nothing dropped by the Greeks
Chonju Harbor to Worker
The Celts are building Smith's
Mayans building Magellan's
We Loose our dye's

Turn 5 (1020AD)
Trade Brennus Physics for Dyes WM 15 gpt and 40 gold
Switch Ulsan to a Caravel
Move and Work
Trade the Scandi's Education and Chemestry for Ivory and 25 gold and WM
Hire 1 scientist and turn down Lux Slider to 0% saving 64 gpt

IBT
The Greeks finally drop off a eArcher and a rHoplite...Good, Thumpin time
Lagash Cav to Cav

Turn 6 (1130AD)
rKnight flawlessly kills the rHoplite - no promo
eKnight flawlessly kills the eArcher - no Leader
Turn down science saves $
Upgrade 4 Knights on the mainland to Cavs for 120 gold

IBT
Greese comes a calling and wants peace. Nah.. WW has not set in yet.
Smoking Jaguar want to trade maps. Nah... I will gift you 5 gold though
Namwan Riots. Grr... Even with Mapstat I seem to miss 'em occasionally
Lots more Greek Ships show up. Oh goodie!

Turn 7 (1140AD)
Move and Work

IBT
We enter a New Age
I gift the Summerians into the new age and he picks up Steam Power
I make peace with the greeks to gift them into the New Age, he picks up nationalism
Peagem harbor to courthouse
The People think I'm a cool leader so they add an upstairs to the East wing to house the Geisha girls.
Huich'on riots (I guess they were partying to much at the change of age) Fix it.

Turn 8 or somthing? (1150AD)
I pick-up Nationalism as the free tech and trade it to the Sumerians for Steam. Hey that workerd pretty well we got 2 free techs at the turn for the price of none

We have no source of coal on the mainland, we do however have one on the island to the north. I move workers to the hill to start a road. Should be hooked in a turn or two.

I start on Medicine at 80% due in 4

Hand Down Report:
I messed up the Dates as I was playing so I decided 1150 was a good even numer to stop on. I'm really stumped where I mussed up.
The celt's have no local source of Horses, Iron or Saltpeter hooked up or visable on their mainland. They obviously are not smart enough to put a harbor in Ratae on another island that has iron hooked. I think they need to be booted off the face of the planet.
How in the heck have we not met the evil witch yet? That seems very strange to me.

I did not trade anything the last turn but we can bankrupt the rest of the world (100 or so gold) by selling all of the techs we have. I'd trade and gift them all into the new age unless we plan on attacking them (the Celts for example) They might pick up a tech or two in this age (hey we can always hope can't we?)

We can pick up furs from the Arabians
We can pick up spices from the Greeks

We need to get ToE for the Tech Jump - It is 600 shields and 12 turns away if we can get each required tech in 4 turns. We could switch out JS Bach (600 Shields) for it in P'yongyang as it is due in 19 turns. We could probably shorten this with rails to time it better. We do not really need Bach's for happiness purposes as we are pretty happy right now.

>>>THE SAVE<<<

 

[jb1964]

@Misfit, great write-up. My goal will be to make mine as spartan as possible.

Just finished turns onr GN01, BNH01 and BNH02 so I'll work this tomorrow night. BNH01 is done for me since it'll take the next leader about 5 turn to finish off this bloodbath.

 

[DJMGator13]

Sounds good. Nice trading on the Age jump.

Our rounds have been ending on the 70's for some reason, so you had the number of turns correct (at 8). Next palyer should just grab 10 to keep us on the 50's.

Next player would be jb or myself. Up to jb because of the swap with Mistfit.

EDIT: crossed with jb. Go get them.

 

[RowAndLive]

Very nicely played, and well-written!

jb - UP
gator - On Deck

 

[Mistfit]

Thank You.

I think we can still eek out a decent date out of this one.

If:
We concentrate on expansion to get more beakers
Concentrate on cash
Only research required techs

In another game Gator mentioned delaying building the ToE until expensive techs like flight are available. Is that something we could try here? I always beeline right to it and try to time a prebuild to snag it ASAP. With the snail pace of the AI in tech tech we might be able to put it off until the end of the Era to get better techs. What do you think?

 

[DJMGator13]

I think in this game we should be able to delay the TOE to coincide with the Modern Age. The key will be if we have a big enough tech lead to delay building the Wonder while we research the rest of the IA techs.

 

[jb1964]

Interesting strategy. I always use ToE for AT and Electronics. But then I do that to trade the lower branch techs for all those that I don't have. That's not the case here.

It will be a trade off between the cost of the techs we can get for free and the value we realize from getting IA techs earlier. Sort of a net present value calculation. What IA techs tech have then greatest compounding potential?

I think I would get it early, grab AT and Elec. with a Hoover's prebuild. This pumps up our ability to build stock exchanges and other improvements to improve the cash flow.

 

[RowAndLive]

Either way should be doable in this case. I also usually go the early route, although I did do a delayed ToE recently. Hoover's is a must for this game, and the earlier the better, but I'm all for saving on shields. Should we vote?

 

[jb1964]

I vote for an earlier use of ToE to get the compounding benefits of Hoover's over a longer period of time.

 

[DJMGator13]

We have no coal. So we need to either gift the VIK up to Steam or attack one of the 3 Civs with coal while they are weaker (no Cavs). ARB & MAYA each have 1 source of coal and the MAYA source is close to an iron (Palenque can build the Iron Works). VIKs have 2 sources but lack the technology so they can not trade it to us yet, plus one of theirs appears to not be hooked up currently.

We've got 3 good Wonder builds going right now and we are battling the Celts for 2 of those. So I'm not real keen on trading away our tech lead until we complete those Wonders. I think we need to go to war for the coal source, which helps us on two fronts. First, the coal and secondly more cities so more science earned.

On the TOE I usually build it early, but with pushing to space claiming a more expensive MA tech for free is a better way to go. We can research 2 IA techs in the time it takes to research 1 MA tech (at our current science level, bpt). As long as we can maintain a 4-5 turn research rate through the IA I don't think we need to complete TOE until the Modern Age.

 

[Mistfit]

Here is my take on the issue:

We need:
Medicine (4 turns)
Electricity (4-6 turns)
To get to Scientific theory (4-6 turns)

That is 12 to 16 turns that we would need to a prebuild for Theory of Evolution (600 shields) and Hoover's (800 shields - has to be a river city)

If we can get both prebuilds close by the 12-16 turns I agree that we should pull the trigger immediately on the ToE to pick up Atomic Theory and Electronics.

However if we only have one prebuild going for ToE and not one for Hoovers I see no reason to finish building ToE until the second prebuild is done. We may as well continue researching past these and delay the prebuild until Hoover's is ready to go to pick up the more expensive tech's later on.

does that make sence? It does in my ming by that does not necessarily meen that you will be able to understand my ramblings