@Phil725:
have you patched your game to 3.17? what you describe sounds like 3.13 and earlier...
have you patched your game to 3.17? what you describe sounds like 3.13 and earlier...
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well - it was sorta fixed:
pre 3.17 it triggered always regardless of whether the player who got his city razed was running emancipation. Now it triggers always (if it is active) if the player who gets a city razed is running emancipation.
This one event is special in that it is not called from the usual random event code but from another python code that ensures that it actually is not randomly executed. They just wanted to have about 1/3 of games in which Emancipation is a little more of a deterrent to city razing
pre 3.17 it triggered always regardless of whether the player who got his city razed was running emancipation. Now it triggers always (if it is active) if the player who gets a city razed is running emancipation.
This one event is special in that it is not called from the usual random event code but from another python code that ensures that it actually is not randomly executed. They just wanted to have about 1/3 of games in which Emancipation is a little more of a deterrent to city razing
I appreciate your examples, but do you know you're talking to a mathematician here?
These are both examples of convergent series. The second one is interesting because its rate of convergence is much much slower than the first's.I think it's interesting to point out, by the way, that actually 1.999... is by definition (as a well-define limit) equal to 2 as well. It is another example of a convergent series just like your first example. 1+0.9+0.09+0.009+... = 2.
If a real number can be represented by a repeated decimal expansion then it can be written as the limit of such a series. Numbers that cannot be written in this way include certain square roots, like sqrt(2), and are called the irrational numbers.
But whatever, the application of infinite series in this context is not really relevant. Each game is only a finite length anyway, so it's still reasonable to look at probabilities of events over 50 turns etc., like you already did.
My point was mainly that for some of the events you simply said something like "this will happen in 95% of your games" (an event with active number 95). Really, it's more accurate to say "the event will probably not occur in more than 95% of your games", or less correctly but more briefly, "the event will not occur in more than 95% of your games". It's possible the event that is active in 95% of games will still not happen very often at all if the weights of other eligible events are high.
Yes
Indeed!
I will use that phrase next time in my never ending fight to convince people to generally avoid gambling.
Yes well I know how weights work when deciding the event, but I was getting at the probability of the triggering of any event at all on a given turn. I didn't explain what I meant very clearly though so it's my fault.
It is the 7 different era values you listed below that are exactly what I was looking for. I had been wondering whether those era values instead depended on the number (and weights) of eligible events, and I had thought that the reason more events appeared in the late game was the there were simply more eligible events and/or the eligible events had a greater weight sum.
Whoa how did Schrödinger's cat come into this? Entanglement and theoretical physics is a whole nother kettle of fish!
z0wb13
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nice umlaut
you're right, it doesn't have anything to do with entanglement. but it has something to do with a dead cat. say that your event is a dead cat. you leave it in a box with a "Geiger counter [and] ... a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small, that perhaps in the course of the hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none." if you took that cat out after just a few minutes, chances are it would be alive. but if you left it in there for, like, 10 hours, chances are that it would be dead.
what i'm saying is that if you leave that cat or meet the prereqs for long enough, then the event will happen.
let's find out; someone on the boards should know. however, i think that the game counts all of your income at the end of your turn, after modifiers and everything else. so, as soon as you hit return, the game crunches some numbers and you end up with some amount of
. then on the next turn, if a random event is going to occur, it checks all of the ones available and sees if you have enough to qualify for which ones. as for the second question, i think that each event can only be triggered once per game for all players, excluding some of the weird ones. so i'd say no, only one player could get the federal reserve event. but i could be wrong; comments welcome.
helemaalnicks
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ah, your list is not complete, I should track. I had the video game quest, where some guy in my empire invented this game "civilization" and it got all the people addicted. I think the choice was sometin big, like +much research for a uni, +happy cause the videogame was supposedly awesome, and one for money cause it was gonna sell like crazy. Too bad I can't get it back anymore, guess it's useless for you if I don't have the actual numbers.
There is no doubt the preq must've been computers, cause you obv don't play it on a lawnmawer.
There is no doubt the preq must've been computers, cause you obv don't play it on a lawnmawer.
(emphasis added by me)
Exactly!
It is the extra qualifying conditions you put in the statement that I wanted to see.
Quoting your first post... (event 140)
Rather than saying it will only happen in 45% of your games, I'm suggesting instead saying "it is only active in 45% of your games." Or, "it is only possible in 45% of your games."
Talking about this reminds me of the whole deal about how holy cities are chosen when religions are founded. The code that picks the holy city has a huge bias against the capital, usually making the capital very very unlikely to be chosen. For all intents and purposes, one can normally say the capital will never be the holy city (unless it's the only city of course). However, when conditions are just right, it's possible for the capital to actually have exactly 0% chance of being the holy city. This arises out of a situation analogous to rolling two dice, one with the numbers 1 to 6 on it, and the other with the numbers 7 to 12 on it, and then asking which die rolled the higher number. We go from a situation where the capital is very unlikely to be chosen to a case where it's literally impossible for it to be chosen. Because of this, it's incorrect to say the capital is always possible but very unlikely, and also incorrect to say the capital is never chosen. Similarly with random events, it's possible that an event that is active, is impossible for the entire game due to not ever having the prereqs filled.
actually the stuff I list under Solver's events where added in 3.13 patch as official
dalamb
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I just achieved this quest in my Earth 18 (Isabella) game. I was at war with Egypt, who had the Jewish Holy City, and I had the same state religion (along with everybody else in the Old World!) So, you do have to have the same religion. And to my surprise, you must not take the Holy City as your last conquest -- if you destroy the civilization while capturing it, apparently you've ended the war before conquering the holy city!
z0wb13
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who declared war on whom? did you get this event on the turn that war was declared or several turns later?
this is clearly a bug, although i can see why it might be hard to code for in python. the game probably checks to see if you are still fulfilling the prereqs for the event before it registers that you have completed it. so like the game decides that war is over before it decides that a city is captured or a civ is destroyed.
dalamb
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I declared war, and the event took place many turns later.
dalamb
Deity
I just completed this in BtS and controlled the GLH (mentioned in the quest log text), but didn't get offered Nav 1; was there some other condition I was supposed to fulfill?
did you get any choice?
dalamb
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Choice of Combat 1 for triremes and +2 commerce for harbours. Nav 1 wasn't present -- not just unselectable.
it sure is in the code - that is weird...
Just got the Random Event that gives all Gunpowder units a free March promo. 
I've never seen this one before; pretty potent stuff. And you're right about events not scaling properly on Huge/Marathon/18 Civs - planes are just constantly falling out of the skies, and brides are continuously being jilted and the inlaws ticked off over mixed marriages.
I've never seen this one before; pretty potent stuff. And you're right about events not scaling properly on Huge/Marathon/18 Civs - planes are just constantly falling out of the skies, and brides are continuously being jilted and the inlaws ticked off over mixed marriages.
