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Abby I think the OP didn't mean homosexuality as a disease, but couldn't find a proper word for 'cure' or 'remove'.
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Abaddon
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its more the complete failure at biology that annoyes me, i can deal with homosexuality.
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whatya mean=?
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The thing that annoyed me most about that thread was not the topic itself, but the exteme views held by either side (I know it would be a dull forum if everyone just agreed to disagree, but still!)
On the one side there's "i'd rather my child was dead than gay- get it cured now, damnit!", but what annoyed me, potentially, more was the militant, though well meaning, "liberals" who saw the thread title, and denounced the thread starter as a right-wing, disgusting, facist, evangelical nutcase... without reading the OP or his arguments- and all because if they worry that accepting that, sadly, in some parts of the world, and in certain societies being gay is a serious, potentially fatal setback in life, makes they themselves -wing, disgusting, facist, evangelical nutcases
Needless to say I was so infuriated with the direction of the thread I couldn't post there and posted here instead...
I suppose to some up; Some people, really! (followed by a sigh)
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The egos of some of the posters here.
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Arguments! Stop attacking me with them! 
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Julian Delphiki
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The situation:
About a year and a half ago, I moved into an apartment. There was someone (hereafter OR) living there, his mother had just moved out and both of their names were on the lease. So we were roommates for a year. We both paid about half the rent. Then he was transferred to Las Vegas for work. Since he figured he would be back in a few months, he decided to sublet it. He tried advertising it at the price of rent he was currently paying, but couldn't. He dropped the price $100 and found someone (hereafter CR) willing to sublet. Then we drew up a new lease (he and his mother had been on the whole time) with me, OR, and CR on it. We were only allowed 2 parking spots; as I didn't have a car, CR took one and OR kept his old one. (I will skip over the difficulties we had in getting everyone together to sign it). The idea was that CR would live here until whenever OR moved back (about May, he said). So far so good.
Well, along with everything we had a storage space. OR decided to take all my stuff out of it and change the lock, without really telling me. Well, whatever. He finally agreed to pay the entire storage fee. I had the smaller room, which annoyed me when I found out CR would be paying a lot less but decided not to worry too much because I would end up getting a lot of rides places from CR, so it would more or less balance out.
We also decided to get a TV. We found one on Craigslist, went out, bought it (by which I mostly mean I paid for it, although he gave a little), and hooked up cable. He told me to let him know how much and he would pay half. I told him a couple times, he never paid. Okay, fine, whatever. It's annoying when he, who has contributed $4 to the TV and cable, insists on watching it when I want to watch something else, but whatever. Too much TV is probably bad anyways.
About a month ago, CR suddenly became a lot less enthusiastic about giving me rides, except to places like church and the grocery store. I am fairly certain that we had all discussed that as part of him getting the larger room, but he insisted we didn't. Maybe he forgot, maybe he is lying, maybe I was mistaken. Fine, whatever.
He also has a tendency to imitate the Easter Bunny - in the sense that he leaves all the dishes and food-related garbage all over the house wherever he uses it, and won't clean up. So I do all the dishes (at least we have a dishwasher) and everything. He tells me that OR had told him that I was willing to do the dishes (really, it's just that OR never did either), as a selling point for renting. I am not sure he had the right to offer someone else my labor, but whatever. Just like the ride thing, maybe one of us forgot or something. I was at this point learning that it is much easier just to deal.
Now, rent is due the first of the month. If it is not in by the 5th, a late fee is assessed. The way it is paid, I give a check to the property manager's office, CR transfers money to OR in Vegas, and OR sends a check to the property manager. If one of us was late, that person would pay the late fee. This system worked fine (if needlessly complicated) from about October to February.
On the 7th this month, we got a letter from the office saying that only half the rent had been paid (guess which half? go on, guess) and that we thus were assessed with a $150 late fee. The same day CR got an email from OR saying that he had forgotten to pay, but he would send it all ASAP. Fine, that's okay.
On the 11th (Tuesday) we got a letter taped to our door, saying that we were still short on rent, and that between the rent and the late fees we now owed $810. If we did not pay by the 16th our lease would be cancelled and we would be evicted. CR insisted that OR had it all taken care of - he had an email! - and not to worry. Well, maybe I have this weird thing about being evicted.
I decided to call OR to remedy the situation. The phone number, which I had used hundreds of times before, and from which he had called me about a week earlier, was disconnected. Slightly disconcerted, I sent him an email explaining the situation. I did not hear back from him for a couple days. Again, weird thing about being evicted. I called the property managers several times to see if it had been paid. CR thought this was ridiculous. He had an email from OR saying it would be taken care of, so why was I concerned? The property managers seemed to disagree with CR's assessment, but after all, whose word should I take?
So finally yesterday I went to the bank, got a cashier's check for $810, and handed it to someone in the property manager's office. I sent another email to OR explaining what I had done and that I expected repayment immediately. I am not really optimistic on this account; so far I have not heard back from OR.
I then told CR what I had done. CR thought I was being an idiot. He even showed me the email from OR explaining that it was taken care of. Why then had I been so hasty? I told him that we might need to reconsider our arrangement - CR had after all sent $650 to OR, who seems to have kept it and made me pay everyone's rent. Now, I don't want to be judgmental (I am enough kinds of mental already). Maybe OR got hit by a bus or something, which is why his number is disconnected and he hasn't paid rent or responded to the emails I have sent him. (I know it is the right address, he sent The Email on the same one). I mentioned that this might be a problem, to CR, and that we might have to consider removing OR from the lease if he can't pay, or at the very least that CR pay the property management office directly.
CR basically laughed at my concerns. There was no prblem, he insisted, it's all in black and white that OR was going to take care of it. I told him it wasn't taken care of, and that even though we were now okay with the rent office (although it would mess with our credit) we still had a problem. He ignored my attempt to explain the problem. It will be fine, he insisted, I don't see the problem, I am not going to worry. Well, I guess he shouldn't; so far, I am the only one who seems to be taking steps to fix it, and so I am the one paying. Why should that affect him?
I told him that at least he should pay the rent directly to the rent office next month. No need, he assured me, it is more convenient to pay OR and it works out the same for him. He didn't really listen when i told him we can't count on OR for anything right now and that if he pays the rent to OR, who is late again, that is another $150 that no one but me will be willing to pay.
So, to recap; OR has dropped off the face of the earth and CR is completely unwilling to inconvenience himself slightly to prevent us all from being evicted, because he knows if he doesn't do anything I will.
Of course, I suppose it is unreasonable to ask too much of CR; I don't think he has worked more than 2 weeks total in the 6 months he has lived here. He just sits on the couch all day watching Fox News on the TV I am paying for.
About a year and a half ago, I moved into an apartment. There was someone (hereafter OR) living there, his mother had just moved out and both of their names were on the lease. So we were roommates for a year. We both paid about half the rent. Then he was transferred to Las Vegas for work. Since he figured he would be back in a few months, he decided to sublet it. He tried advertising it at the price of rent he was currently paying, but couldn't. He dropped the price $100 and found someone (hereafter CR) willing to sublet. Then we drew up a new lease (he and his mother had been on the whole time) with me, OR, and CR on it. We were only allowed 2 parking spots; as I didn't have a car, CR took one and OR kept his old one. (I will skip over the difficulties we had in getting everyone together to sign it). The idea was that CR would live here until whenever OR moved back (about May, he said). So far so good.
Well, along with everything we had a storage space. OR decided to take all my stuff out of it and change the lock, without really telling me. Well, whatever. He finally agreed to pay the entire storage fee. I had the smaller room, which annoyed me when I found out CR would be paying a lot less but decided not to worry too much because I would end up getting a lot of rides places from CR, so it would more or less balance out.
We also decided to get a TV. We found one on Craigslist, went out, bought it (by which I mostly mean I paid for it, although he gave a little), and hooked up cable. He told me to let him know how much and he would pay half. I told him a couple times, he never paid. Okay, fine, whatever. It's annoying when he, who has contributed $4 to the TV and cable, insists on watching it when I want to watch something else, but whatever. Too much TV is probably bad anyways.
About a month ago, CR suddenly became a lot less enthusiastic about giving me rides, except to places like church and the grocery store. I am fairly certain that we had all discussed that as part of him getting the larger room, but he insisted we didn't. Maybe he forgot, maybe he is lying, maybe I was mistaken. Fine, whatever.
He also has a tendency to imitate the Easter Bunny - in the sense that he leaves all the dishes and food-related garbage all over the house wherever he uses it, and won't clean up. So I do all the dishes (at least we have a dishwasher) and everything. He tells me that OR had told him that I was willing to do the dishes (really, it's just that OR never did either), as a selling point for renting. I am not sure he had the right to offer someone else my labor, but whatever. Just like the ride thing, maybe one of us forgot or something. I was at this point learning that it is much easier just to deal.
Now, rent is due the first of the month. If it is not in by the 5th, a late fee is assessed. The way it is paid, I give a check to the property manager's office, CR transfers money to OR in Vegas, and OR sends a check to the property manager. If one of us was late, that person would pay the late fee. This system worked fine (if needlessly complicated) from about October to February.
On the 7th this month, we got a letter from the office saying that only half the rent had been paid (guess which half? go on, guess) and that we thus were assessed with a $150 late fee. The same day CR got an email from OR saying that he had forgotten to pay, but he would send it all ASAP. Fine, that's okay.
On the 11th (Tuesday) we got a letter taped to our door, saying that we were still short on rent, and that between the rent and the late fees we now owed $810. If we did not pay by the 16th our lease would be cancelled and we would be evicted. CR insisted that OR had it all taken care of - he had an email! - and not to worry. Well, maybe I have this weird thing about being evicted.
I decided to call OR to remedy the situation. The phone number, which I had used hundreds of times before, and from which he had called me about a week earlier, was disconnected. Slightly disconcerted, I sent him an email explaining the situation. I did not hear back from him for a couple days. Again, weird thing about being evicted. I called the property managers several times to see if it had been paid. CR thought this was ridiculous. He had an email from OR saying it would be taken care of, so why was I concerned? The property managers seemed to disagree with CR's assessment, but after all, whose word should I take?
So finally yesterday I went to the bank, got a cashier's check for $810, and handed it to someone in the property manager's office. I sent another email to OR explaining what I had done and that I expected repayment immediately. I am not really optimistic on this account; so far I have not heard back from OR.
I then told CR what I had done. CR thought I was being an idiot. He even showed me the email from OR explaining that it was taken care of. Why then had I been so hasty? I told him that we might need to reconsider our arrangement - CR had after all sent $650 to OR, who seems to have kept it and made me pay everyone's rent. Now, I don't want to be judgmental (I am enough kinds of mental already). Maybe OR got hit by a bus or something, which is why his number is disconnected and he hasn't paid rent or responded to the emails I have sent him. (I know it is the right address, he sent The Email on the same one). I mentioned that this might be a problem, to CR, and that we might have to consider removing OR from the lease if he can't pay, or at the very least that CR pay the property management office directly.
CR basically laughed at my concerns. There was no prblem, he insisted, it's all in black and white that OR was going to take care of it. I told him it wasn't taken care of, and that even though we were now okay with the rent office (although it would mess with our credit) we still had a problem. He ignored my attempt to explain the problem. It will be fine, he insisted, I don't see the problem, I am not going to worry. Well, I guess he shouldn't; so far, I am the only one who seems to be taking steps to fix it, and so I am the one paying. Why should that affect him?
I told him that at least he should pay the rent directly to the rent office next month. No need, he assured me, it is more convenient to pay OR and it works out the same for him. He didn't really listen when i told him we can't count on OR for anything right now and that if he pays the rent to OR, who is late again, that is another $150 that no one but me will be willing to pay.
So, to recap; OR has dropped off the face of the earth and CR is completely unwilling to inconvenience himself slightly to prevent us all from being evicted, because he knows if he doesn't do anything I will.
Of course, I suppose it is unreasonable to ask too much of CR; I don't think he has worked more than 2 weeks total in the 6 months he has lived here. He just sits on the couch all day watching Fox News on the TV I am paying for.
A shorter one:
These jackhats who call in at work and then act surprised when I ask them their name before transferring them. Usually they are too busy talking and I have to interrupt them. Like so:
JH: Can I talk to Person X?
EoA: I will find out
[simultaneously]
JH: Thank you.
EoA: May I ask who is calling?
Then something like this:
JH: You certainly may. It's Jack Hat.
It always surprises them that I would need that information, and half the time they act like they are doing me a favor to give it to them.
These jackhats who call in at work and then act surprised when I ask them their name before transferring them. Usually they are too busy talking and I have to interrupt them. Like so:
JH: Can I talk to Person X?
EoA: I will find out
[simultaneously]
JH: Thank you.
EoA: May I ask who is calling?
Then something like this:
JH: You certainly may. It's Jack Hat.
It always surprises them that I would need that information, and half the time they act like they are doing me a favor to give it to them.
Julian Delphiki
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Tomorrow, Eran posting on Random raves thread: "My room mate has suddenly and unexpectedly disappeared". 
I'm so bored that i started to drink spirits, one of the worst reasons to do so.
I'm so bored that i started to drink spirits, one of the worst reasons to do so.
Trajan12
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It's a beautiful day out, but the sun just illuminates the decay.
Swedishguy
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Mom and dad got angry at each other today...
AND MY KEYBOARD SKIPS LETTERS SOMETIMES!!!
AND MY KEYBOARD SKIPS LETTERS SOMETIMES!!!
Man, you really are getting screwed. I can't stand it when people expect you to pick up their slack because they can't be bothered to do what they're supposed to.
So what are you going to do? Shall you play the devil or the saint?
Abaddon
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Working and not getting paid lots 
I want my high wage job back
I want my high wage job back
West 36
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Women in general!
Well, I finally heard back from OR. He had been out of contact, but he seemed really apologetic about it, and he will set it up automatically to pay the rental office, and he also said he will repay me ASAP. So it turns out that it will not be too bad. As far as CR, I really think he should have taken this more seriously, but I am not going to stress it too much. But if I hadn't heard back from OR I would have had to talk to the rental office about my options.
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Ingredients: Herbs
Well...that's descriptive....
Ingredients: Herbs
Well...that's descriptive....
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