Rat 17 - AW for C3C scenarios

[ThERat]

Empiremaker, if you can jump in today, you can play 10 turns, else we wait for pindicator.

I looked at the save and think we are still a bit short of troops. I would get more bushi's. Once we have the wheel, which tech are we going to research?

Also, I didn't state, but what does he team think of initial trading? Do we forbid it or is it allowed? We still have some Civs to meet and there might be tech trading oppurtunities before declaring war.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

so you're the E-Guitarist, nice picture there.

I guess I need to introduce the rest of the band.
......Commando Bob
.......................I
.......................V
Daghie=> <=Bugs

We're the Celtic Idiots


I think we need to try and get control of the south. That way we will only have one front.

I say no to initial trading.

 

[ThERat]

no tech trading is fine with me, so shall we stick to that?

I think we need to try and get control of the south. That way we will only have one front.

I am sure we have no southern AI on Honshu, as I said earlier, Japan has 2 bigger Islands to the south and both are occupied by the AI. That's why we can spot borders. Until they develop boats, they can't reach us.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I only played this scenario once and I was up at the northern end of Honshu, close to modern day Misawa. IIRC, Hokkaido isn't on this map, but Kyushu and Shikoku are. I agree with rat that the orange civ is probably on Shikoku and the light purple civ is on Kyushu.

I think this map also has Tsushima as a one or two tile island.

 

[Greebley]

I would go for Alphabet after Wheel.

Right now all we can build of note is troops and Settlers. I would like to see us build the final 3 settlers (or at least start them) in the next 10 turns. Other than that we build all bushi and Catapults.

Once we have all towns settled the ones without barracks can really crank out the Catapults and I think we end up ahead in troops as compared to building only troops. Now seems the time to do it while the AI is only throwing XBow and Ash at us.

Note that we have 3 Bushi heading south on the assumption purple can reach us. If not true then turn one back and head it north where it is needed more.

 

[Empiremaker]

I can't play until Friday. I can trade with who is aftetr me, or I can play on Friday.

 

[pindicator]

Good news first

• Kill ratio: 15 - 0
• Planted 4 cities; 2 settlers in the field at or near future city locations
• Learned the Wheel; popped Mysticism from a hut; Alphabet due next turn
• My favorite of the turnset:

So our military situation is doing a little better.


Bad news next, but there isn't much of that:

We weren't able to grab those city sites quick enough, so I saw a lot of settler pairs. We are now at war with Tokugawa, Matsunaga, and Ryuzoji. There is a silver lining; we have about six more slaves now.

So far we haven't seen anything worse than a crossbow. The AI was targeting Hiroshima, but they seem to be heading more for Matsue.

Our lands:

The save

 

[Empiremaker]

Am I up? If so, consider this a 'got it'.

 

[ThERat]

looking good, a bushi army will surely help us. We can still fill 3 spots with towns as far as I can see.

Roster
ThERat
Greebley
pindicator
Empiremaker - up
Sir Bugsy

 

[pindicator]

Oh yes, settlers: I forgot to detail that part. There is a settler SE of Hiroshima that is in place to settle. There is another settler in the west that needs to move NW for the city spot.

 

[Greebley]

Good turn. I don't think we could have settled faster to stop the contacts. As it was we settled very quickly. We have grabbed the town spots we wanted and have a reasonably short front line for the number of cities. The bushi army will help us expand. As a demi-god game we have to be fairly agressive on expansion and should start grabbing cities right away and capturing them not razing. At least I would keep ones in decent spots. The civs right next to us will never have good culture with us attacking their cities. I don't think we can afford the cost of large numbers of settlers to win this. In other words, we shouldn't raze cities just because we are afraid of flips if they belong to the light blue or purple civs. We will want to raze cities we have minimal contact with (the rest) unless they are small. Starving to size 1 works pretty well for small cities.

 

[Empiremaker]

Pindicator- Missed your message on city spots. Still I think they're in good locations.

1- Alpha-> Math

6- Math -> Map Making

7- Leader, made another Bushi army

10- 6 Matasunaga x-bows and 1 ashigaru come into view in a stack on E side of continent. Use the army to deal with them.

Notes:
I didn't capture any cities, and played defensivly, but I killed many x-bows, and lost about 3 bushi.

GALLEYS: There is a galley on the E side of our territory. I think its loaded. Watch for landings.

Our situation didn't change much, so I don't feel the need for a screen.

EDIT: ThERat, I'm not surprised you can't see the save, I forgot to upload it. Here is the save.

 

[ThERat]

Roster
ThERat
Greebley
pindicator
Empiremaker
Sir Bugsy - up

however, I can't see the save

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I have it.

*climbs on soapbox*
Hey guys, a very important part of being a good SG teammate is taking the time to write up a good turn report. Provide some screenshots. Give the team a feel for what's going on. If you don't have the time to do that, then hold off playing so you can. It is also very important for lurkers. Go back and read some SGs that you learned stuff from or enjoyed. That was because some took a little extra time to provide a good report. The exception to this is a first turn set (ending screenshot is a nice courtesy) or a really boring turnset (not common in AW, ending screenshot is again a nice courtesy)
*steps off soapbox*

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight &#8211; Check F4 and we know Chosokabe but we&#8217;re not at war. Declare on them. Well I&#8217;m not sure what the overall strategy is here. It has been a long time since I played this scenario, but IIRC the map is pretty accurate. Therefore we are at the southern end of the Japanese Alps. We could probably work our way up either coast for a way.

IBT &#8211; Dark green and Purple guys pour forward. A few boats head southward.

Apr 1505 &#8211; Take out four Dark Greenies at Matsue. Gain control of the southern end of the Alps.

Here is the situation:

The red tracks are where the bad guys are coming from the blue tracks are my intended attack routes. I will try and control the high ground.

Oh, units on go-to. Not exactly going where I want them to go. Putting units on go-to is not very cool in an SG. If you want to play my turns as well, then play a solo game.

Take out two more dark green guys and a purple. (5-0)

IBT &#8211; We have this pop up:

I declare immediately.

Jul 1505 &#8211; Lose a bushi to a green ashi on flat ground. Kill four green guys and attack the purple city (Fukuchiyama) with an army. Kill one defender. (10-1)

Science comes down two notches.

IBT - We have a steady stream of bogies headed our way now. Light blue dudes have joined the march.

Oct 1505 &#8211; At Fukuchiyama &#8211; Our army kills the defending Ashi and&#8230;

There are some dyes up that way. We could use the extra lux.

IBT &#8211; There&#8217;s a red boat off the northern coast. Targets flow southward.

Jan 1506 &#8211; Dial up the red guys and declare (Saito).

Send our marauding army further up the northern coast to the next purple city.
The plains east of Hiroshima are full of targets now. We take out five. I think another city further up the central valley would make a lot of sense, so I switch Shimonoseki to a settler.

Here is the situation:

I think the pink dots are good tactical locations for cities.

To be continued&#8230;

 

[Sir Bugsy]

IBT &#8211; Map Making =>CoL. Science back up to get it in four.

Apr 1506 &#8211; Lose a bushi taking out a purple dude. Attack twice at the next purple city (Miyazu) killing two defenders. Since I am using our other army in zone defense of the central valley (killed two blue guys) I send a force of three bushi towards the light blue city on the southern coast.

Start getting the irrigation system towards our southern cities.

IBT &#8211; A green guy is dropped off next to Shimonoseki.

Jul 1506 &#8211; Take out the invader. March next to Nara (blue city)

At Miyazu kill the two defenders and&#8230;

We&#8217;ll have two settlers next turn to start filling in. Science down a notch.

IBT &#8211; Two settler pairs show up. One under a SoD of purple units.

Oct 1506 &#8211; Clean up the central valley and start a settler force eastward into it.

At Nara, lose two vet bushi then attack with my remaining grandmaster and&#8230;

Bugsy&#8217;s Bushi are formed and immediately march on Nara.

IBT &#8211; The second settler pair separates from the SoD.

Jan 1507 &#8211; Collect two slaves from the second settler pair.

At Nara, kill three defenders and&#8230;

Science comes down another notch. We could use some more settlers, but I already have two on order and two on the march.

Edit: Apr 1507 was played in here somewhere.

IBT &#8211; Another settler pair is dropped off on the dyes on the north coast. Lose two bushi, one on the ruins of Nara.

To be continued&#8230;

 

[ThERat]

Bugs, nice progress and nice report. I am not too sure how many Civs there are, but there are plenty for sure. I hope we don't face too many enemies.
We should try and keep on expanding as long as we can without the pressure that will come.

and automoves are a big in SG's for sure. Please avoid that

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Well I lost count of a turn in there somewhere.

COL comes in. Ancestor Worship next. Science goes up to get it in four.

Jul 1507 &#8211; Found Atsugi in the Central Valley. Kill a few invaders.

Here is the situation:

We can found pink dot next turn. Here is a suggested dot map for expanding down the valley. The ruins of Miyazu (blue dot) and Nara (red dot) fit in well and we can provide some good support. We may want to get some workers north once the irrigation project is completed to road across the Alps.

Keep an eye on the galleys plying the water off our coasts. We&#8217;ll probably have a landing or two soon. I only had one (at Shimonoseki.)

I have been going for the cheapest tech. We&#8217;re essentially following the rest of Japan up the tech ladder. By working the slider we can get four turn science at slightly positive cash flow over four turns.

We&#8217;ll probably need to keep at least one city, preferably two, building settlers for a while. We should be able to continue pushing forward with our armies. We just have to be careful not to over extend.

Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/32851/Rat17_Jul._1507_AD.SAV

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
MM a little, but nothing much really
we have 8 enemies currently

1. Oct 1507
found Masuda and defeat one purple unit

IT still no landings happening

2. Jan 1508
move one of the armies forward and find 5 advancing troops from Toku, so he will start approaching us as well
lower science

3. Apr 1508
we know a new Civ and have enemy #9
defeat 2 units and move settler forward
our front army reaches purple city
reduce science to 30%

IT more purple troops are advancing, we get ancenstor worship
go for the military tech sojutsu in 13 at -11gpt

4.Jul 1508
defeat 6 units and move settler in position to found city next turn

IT an exposed 1hp bushi defeats a sword and promotes to grandmaster

5. Oct 1508
found Hagi
defeat 2 more units in Toyooka, but there are still troops inside

6. Jan 1509
lose a bushi taking out 3 troops in front of Atsugi
2 more tropps defeated in Toyooka, that is a total of 6, but there are still troops inside
approach Kurayoshi

IT army defends against 2 units at Masuda, then spot a stack of 8 Oda units

7. Apr 1509
defeat 2 units inside Kurayoshi
defeat 2 more units in Toyooka, finally

keep city for now, but that big stack nearby is a worry

IT 6 Oda units step next to Toyooka
Ube is hit by desease

8.Jul 1509
decide to abandon Toyooka, too risky, sell the rax there first for 10 gold

9.Oct 1509
maybe we can try and keep this city

it comes with a rax, 2 slaves and 1 cat

10. Jan 1510
defeat 1 unit at Kurayoshi, 2nd army there is healing, do not attack before next turn

attack Nishikawa, city should fall next turn, if we can keep it, do so
we do have 2 settlers , but we need to clear the area first, remember the 8 Oda units are still around

looking at the culture we don't have, we must raze any city other than purple. In case we hit the capital, and their shogun, the Civ will be autorazed anyway

 

[ThERat]

Roster
ThERat
Greebley - up
pindicator
Empiremaker
Sir Bugsy