Ratification poll for CoS section X - Judicial Review

Shall we ratify this section?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 73.3%
  • No

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • Abstain

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
  • Poll closed .


Member of the Opposition
Feb 1, 2002
Gateway to the West
Shall we ratify the following as section X (to be determined later) of the Code of Standards?

1.  Judicial Review of an Existing Law
  I. Request
    A. Any citizen may request a Judicial Review by posting the request in
       the Judicial Thread or via PM to any Justice.
      1. The request should contain the question and the specific law involved.
      2. If the request sent via PM, the citizen should remain anonymous unless 
         they choose otherwise.
    B. The Chief Justice shall post a notice in the Judicial Thread that a Judicial 
       Request has been filed.  This post should contain a summary of the Request.

  II. Public Discussion
    A. The Chief Justice shall create a new thread in the Citizen’s Forum 
       entitled “Judicial Review – Term <term number> - Request <request number 
       for that term>”
    B. The first post shall contain the formal question and law involved
      1. The Chief Justice may rewrite the question so long as the meaning 
         is not altered. Any changes should be discussed with the requestor.
    C. All Citizens are then invited to discuss the question.
    D. Justices are to post questions, but not conclusions.
    E. Discussion continues until the Chief Justice declares arguments over.
      1. The Associate Justices may overrule if they both agree to do so. They 
         may also declare halt to arguments if they both agree and Chief Justice 
         is not willing to end the discussions.

  III. Judicial Discussion
    A. The Judiciary shall then meet privately to discuss review
    B. The Judiciary shall produce a Majority opinion, and if needed, a 
       Minority opinion.
    C. The Chief Justice shall post both opinions, including the signers 
       of each, in the Judicial Thread and the Judicial Log.
      1. Each Justice should post a confirmatory message which may also 
         include an explanatory note. Any such note is not part of the official record.
    D. All Judicial Reviews are part of COUNTRY_NAME’s body of Law, and may 
       be used for future decisions unless overridden by future Laws.

  IV. General
    A. All proceedings should go forth in an expedient manner.
    B. All proceedings started under one Court shall continue with that Court 
       through the conclusion of that proceeding.

2.  Judicial Review of a Proposed Law
  I.  As citizens, the members of the Judiciary should be active during any
      discussion of a new law.
  II.  Once a final proposal has been made and agreed upon for a proposed Law,
      the Chief Justice should post in the discussion thread that the Judiciary
      will review the law and the text of the law to be reviewed.
  III.  The Judiciary will then meet privately to discuss the law.
  IV.  If the proposed law passes review, the Chief Justice shall post the poll
       for the proposed law in the Poll sub-forum.
    A. A majority of Justices must agree that the proposed
        law does not conflict with any existing law or constitutional 
        article for it to pass review
  V.  If the proposed law does not pass review, the Chief Justice shall post in
      the discussion thread the reasons for the rejection.
    A.  Should a poll already be posted for this proposal, the poll is deemed void.

Relevant Discussion
Judicial Review

Please vote as follows:
Yes - I wish to ratify this section
No - I do not wish to ratify this section
Abstain - I wish to neither ratify or reject this proposal

Poll shall run for 4 days.

-- Ravensfire


Grumpy Submariner
Jan 18, 2002
The Wilderness of Orygun
I voted NO. I have several issues with this direction of law.

1) If we are going to have discussion threads for judicial review now, then the judiciary themselves should be allowed to state their opinion in them. Otherwise the judicial review is nothing more than looking for citizen consensus. Now normally that is well and good, but in this case, the judiciary is not commenting on the appropriateness of a law, but simply if it is unconstitutional. So the citizen discussion might proceed to a point where there is clear consensus amongst the populace, but the judiciary may need to overrule the law anyhow. This would mean that the CJ and friends are now not following the will of the people. Creating a conflict of laws. They cannot win either way. This is one of the reasons that Judicial Reviews were kept short and sweet.

2) The judiciary should post their opinions publically, and not as a consolidated document, in the judiciary thread. From there the CJ would normally add a blub to the judicial log.

3) On what levels are judicial reviews part of the law food chain? Constitutional? Code of Laws? Standards? The wording implies that these reveiws can now make laws, which is a huge NO NO in my book. The reviews should only be used to clarify an existing law on constitutionality of a proposed law.
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