RBtS3 - The Uncultured One
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lurker's comment: You can't work the second radius tiles cause you don't have culture in those tiles. In normal games you also have to wait untill the second border expansion.
Qwack
The Poopman
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Played 5 turns. We can draft Maceman, but our happiness is already at the limit and I would rather wait for Gunpowder and muskets before starting the draft..
I checked everyone on turn one to see if anyone has any "We have enough on our hands" modifiers. I noticed that Genghis khan is willing to declare war on anyone with 2-3 tech's, which means he probably has a very large army. I was almost about to bribe him to declare on Alex for MM modifiers, but if we plan to vassalize alex, its better not to risk that because genghis may actually kill him..
2 Turns later, I regret my decision, as Alex bribes Genghis to DOW on us..
Sigh.. He had a keshik which attacks a longbow nearby and dies. I check out if he can bring his army to us, and apparently he can. he has open borders with Charlamegne. I try to get charlamegne to stop trading with him, but he does not like us enough. I gift him philosophy to bring him to cautious, but he still doesnt like us enough to stop trading with genghis..
I do a city revolt with a spy uberfish left in Athens and grab it in 1515 AD. 2 Trebechuts and 2 maceman lost I believe.
Didnt want to raze it, as it has great lighthouse, hanging gardens and apostolic palace. Im not sure how apostolic palace will work now since we are controlling it but arent in buddhist religion.. Anyways, I try to vassal alex, but he still does not agree. He will give us Knosses which is a worthless city on the border with brennus, but wont vassalize..
I played 2 more turns, and stopped. Not sure what to do here. I have a spy heading towards Argos to revolt it, we can grab that city and see if he wants to vassalize then. I dont see any of Genghis's stack yet, but im pretty sure its coming. We have 2 units in each city on Charlamegne's border (Through which genghis will arrive), and 1 or 2 more around the area to go to whichever city he attacks (Hopefully babylon's culture defenses). If we peace Alex, MAKE SURE to move our units back to the other side of his borders first, otehrwise our whole offensive stack will be stuck in athens.
I also kept around 600 gold in the bank to upgrade any units we may need to once Genghis's stack shows up. So really we have two options, either try to take Argos and vassalize alex while keeping less units on charlamegnes border, or peace with alex and concentrate on Genghis until we can get peace with him, then go after monty/alex later. Also anothber thing to consider is our offensive stack will take around 5 turns to get to charlamegne's border anyways if we decide to peace alex.
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I checked everyone on turn one to see if anyone has any "We have enough on our hands" modifiers. I noticed that Genghis khan is willing to declare war on anyone with 2-3 tech's, which means he probably has a very large army. I was almost about to bribe him to declare on Alex for MM modifiers, but if we plan to vassalize alex, its better not to risk that because genghis may actually kill him..
2 Turns later, I regret my decision, as Alex bribes Genghis to DOW on us..
Sigh.. He had a keshik which attacks a longbow nearby and dies. I check out if he can bring his army to us, and apparently he can. he has open borders with Charlamegne. I try to get charlamegne to stop trading with him, but he does not like us enough. I gift him philosophy to bring him to cautious, but he still doesnt like us enough to stop trading with genghis..
I do a city revolt with a spy uberfish left in Athens and grab it in 1515 AD. 2 Trebechuts and 2 maceman lost I believe.
Didnt want to raze it, as it has great lighthouse, hanging gardens and apostolic palace. Im not sure how apostolic palace will work now since we are controlling it but arent in buddhist religion.. Anyways, I try to vassal alex, but he still does not agree. He will give us Knosses which is a worthless city on the border with brennus, but wont vassalize..
I played 2 more turns, and stopped. Not sure what to do here. I have a spy heading towards Argos to revolt it, we can grab that city and see if he wants to vassalize then. I dont see any of Genghis's stack yet, but im pretty sure its coming. We have 2 units in each city on Charlamegne's border (Through which genghis will arrive), and 1 or 2 more around the area to go to whichever city he attacks (Hopefully babylon's culture defenses). If we peace Alex, MAKE SURE to move our units back to the other side of his borders first, otehrwise our whole offensive stack will be stuck in athens.
I also kept around 600 gold in the bank to upgrade any units we may need to once Genghis's stack shows up. So really we have two options, either try to take Argos and vassalize alex while keeping less units on charlamegnes border, or peace with alex and concentrate on Genghis until we can get peace with him, then go after monty/alex later. Also anothber thing to consider is our offensive stack will take around 5 turns to get to charlamegne's border anyways if we decide to peace alex.
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Not sure about vassalising Alex yet as Athens (without being able to have any culture of its own) will be under severe cutural stress from Sparta and the city north (can't make it out). If we could take Argus and northern city and raze Sparta might be more workable. Keeping Athens was the right move though as Hanging Gardens will be good.
As for Genghis, lets hope he doesn't bring severe heat as (regardless of what we do in Greece) we'll be scrambling.
As for Genghis, lets hope he doesn't bring severe heat as (regardless of what we do in Greece) we'll be scrambling.
Everyone hates us. Oh well. These war declarations are getting annoying but I really doubt Genghis has much of an army since he lost the war with Brennus.
I would grab Argos quickly before Alex hits gunpowder and try for the vassalization again. We have to go for Argos as it is built on top of a horse and we really don't want to deal with cuirassiers.
I would grab Argos quickly before Alex hits gunpowder and try for the vassalization again. We have to go for Argos as it is built on top of a horse and we really don't want to deal with cuirassiers.
darrelljs
Immortal
I see it but I scored some football tickets this weekend and can't get to it unitil Monday, so I need either a swap or a skip. It has nothing to do with fear at our position 
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Darrell
.Darrell
I wouldn't be able to play until Monday either, so i suppose we wait.
darrelljs
Immortal
Well, this was not my best turnset, that is for sure. I have to apologize, but I did not realize we were already in Nationhood even though uberfish clearly spelled it out in his turnset. As such I made some moves that can only be characterized as 
. I played seven total, first off I decided that being in a double war, it would be nice to have a Great Person feuled GA to avoid anarchy. So I did this:
After whipping the Temple I let the overflow go into the National Epic. I then made peace with Alex for this:
I actually left the stack in the city, because I wanted to be able to advance rapidly once the peace clock expired. I am not so worried about Genghis, although I do have some good troops up front and more on the way through fairly efficient use of the whip. Once Gunpowder came in, I set research to Banking (I think Economics is in the bag, we should do it next for the free GM). I queued up a Grocer in the Hindu holy city but held off on the whip, I figure when Banking comes in, whip the Bank and let the overflow go into the Grocer. I did not queue up any Knights, but we should do so given our logistical situation.
Anyway, despite wasting several turns waiting for a GP (it was a GM BTW), we are still in a good position to resume the war against Alex. I would start drafting now, declare war when we can (remember you can cancel the deal on the last turn to reduce the peace period) and finish Alex off until he vassalizes. The one Spy died, but more on on the way.
Sorry again for not paying enough attention
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Darrell
. I played seven total, first off I decided that being in a double war, it would be nice to have a Great Person feuled GA to avoid anarchy. So I did this:
After whipping the Temple I let the overflow go into the National Epic. I then made peace with Alex for this:
I actually left the stack in the city, because I wanted to be able to advance rapidly once the peace clock expired. I am not so worried about Genghis, although I do have some good troops up front and more on the way through fairly efficient use of the whip. Once Gunpowder came in, I set research to Banking (I think Economics is in the bag, we should do it next for the free GM). I queued up a Grocer in the Hindu holy city but held off on the whip, I figure when Banking comes in, whip the Bank and let the overflow go into the Grocer. I did not queue up any Knights, but we should do so given our logistical situation.
Anyway, despite wasting several turns waiting for a GP (it was a GM BTW), we are still in a good position to resume the war against Alex. I would start drafting now, declare war when we can (remember you can cancel the deal on the last turn to reduce the peace period) and finish Alex off until he vassalizes. The one Spy died, but more on on the way.
Sorry again for not paying enough attention
.Darrell
Got it, should be able to play tonight.
We have a GM in Babylon. Not sure what to do with him (a trade mission would be risky due to rogue Mongols.
The peace deal with Alex runs out but I have a plan that I need a coupleof turns to execute
Genghis decides to give up as well.
I trade him Compass for cash in the hope he is less than annoyed with us, it doesn't work
Banking comes in and Economics selected.
Here goes nothing.
Spies cut out iron and one of our horses.
Thebes falls. I raze it as it is too close culturally to Justinian. It also has the effect of giving Athens some space (but it of course went into Greek revolt the last turn)
OK, its time (yet again) to cut my turns short.
Alex has vassalised himself to Brennus, so we are at war with both of them. Love it how when this happens we don't see Brennus' ugly mug telling us, just have to read the notices. I checked every turn after I declared on Alex and he refused to talk.
We also pop a GG in Tenochtitlan, how useful
One last cunundrum to leave with. Keep or raze?
I'd raze and re-settle one north to get the horses and wine (there is a settler on its way). The mace is still active so whoever is up next can have the honors.
Alex will have 3 cities left after this. We shouldbe able to take (or raze and resettle 1N) Pharsalos in a couple of turns.
What to do?
I'd get rid of Alex (and all the WW) and then see what Brennus has to offer. No one will trade with us and Brennus is somewhat advanced (has Constitution but not Education).
What to do with the GM (and the free one from Economics we'll get)?
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The peace deal with Alex runs out but I have a plan that I need a coupleof turns to execute
Genghis decides to give up as well.
I trade him Compass for cash in the hope he is less than annoyed with us, it doesn't work
Banking comes in and Economics selected.
Here goes nothing.
Spies cut out iron and one of our horses.
Thebes falls. I raze it as it is too close culturally to Justinian. It also has the effect of giving Athens some space (but it of course went into Greek revolt the last turn)
OK, its time (yet again) to cut my turns short.
Alex has vassalised himself to Brennus, so we are at war with both of them.
Love it how when this happens we don't see Brennus' ugly mug telling us, just have to read the notices. I checked every turn after I declared on Alex and he refused to talk.We also pop a GG in Tenochtitlan, how useful
One last cunundrum to leave with. Keep or raze?
I'd raze and re-settle one north to get the horses and wine (there is a settler on its way). The mace is still active so whoever is up next can have the honors.
Alex will have 3 cities left after this. We shouldbe able to take (or raze and resettle 1N) Pharsalos in a couple of turns.
What to do?
I'd get rid of Alex (and all the WW) and then see what Brennus has to offer. No one will trade with us and Brennus is somewhat advanced (has Constitution but not Education).
What to do with the GM (and the free one from Economics we'll get)?
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darrelljs
Immortal
I hate it when that happens, its why I played with vassal states off in Warlords. The BTS AI is much less likely to take on a vassal at war with a power, but it does happen now and again. You know, Monty is probably about to take us on too .
Darrell
.Darrell
I thought the plan was we were supposed to take Argos and vassalize Alex ourselves? Oh well. The culture borders are a total mess now. I think we might as well kill Alex now, fight Brennus to take him down a peg or two and try to get to rifles. Genghis might see the light and go for revenge on Brennus himself.
Would taking/razing Argos rather than Thebes have made a difference
. As I said, I checked every turn if would vassalise but he refused to talk to me. If it would have made a difference oops, .
Qwack
The Poopman
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Would taking/razing Argos rather than Thebes have made a difference
I think we were planning to keep a buffer between us and Brennus, but its all good... Blid gets to deal with any possible stacks Brennus will show up with.
First thing, I see this city Alex planted.
It's really a nuisance, we should have watched our background and settled that part. Our units can't move quickly now. This need to be cared about first.
Um* near Monty is defended by an archer and a warrior. The advantage is that we have full visibility on Monty lands, so we can see his units coming. He has enough on his hands, so he'll be attacking soon. His target should be Teno first, nothing we can do to defend it.
I decide to take Argos. This was a mistake. I should have waited for the next turn. Alex takes it back with a cuirassier.
Our stack (Thebes razing party) who was going back to Athens is killed by Brennus stack composed of cuirassiers and a mixed pack. Only a mace manage to win his fight.
Next turn, I send a phant to kill the cuirassier in Argos and put some units to defend the city.
I used the merchant to finish off economics. We better get back to rifling path. We get a free merchant to repalce it after all.
On turn 3, the horns blow and Monty sends a pack near Teno. This city is so lost.
See this malicious smile saying you are dogpiled, fool
Brennus pushes past Athens. He's sensing weakness in our core.
- Unleash the whip ...
- wait, that's what we've been doing all time long.
- Buy new whips, metal ones and get me some fresh conscripts for the slaughter
Who was saying this thing is too easy on monarch ?
I killed the offending party, loosing some good odds battles
Teno falls to Monty hordes. I didn't thought of using the GG on a heroic mission to promote the units there. That would have killed a couple more units from Monty
I poison Athens water, since we have some EPs against Alex. I switch espionage to Brennus. Next turn, Nongoma is poisoned. With its population of 3 people, that's hardly penalizing.
Pharsalos is razed, for the loss of 1 treb (80% odds). I want to settle the spot south of it to claim the pigs.
This time, our settlers are ready. I'll wait for someone to show before settling though. It didn't take long, next turn Charlemagne is hurrying with a settler and chariot.
You need to earn new lands, go look away. Another settler is south of this position near the pigs. Please, don't fortify him, that's the way to keep watching for incoming settlers.
The merchant we got from economics is in Karakorum now. It was a dangerous travel, but in our position I was ready to take the risk. I was disappointed in the trade result, since it only brings 700 gold. The neighboring cities give the same (some shift-right click testing). The merchant gives 1100 for constitution which unlocks jails. Maybe this is better. Anyway, the merchant is still in Kara, so I'll let the group decide what to do with him.
I didn't count the number of units Monty lost when he showed at uM, it's around 6-8. He was sending pikes escorted knights. Very annoying since we don't have something to attack that with. He did some minor pillaging but some stupid suiciding too.
Situation near Monty
The west :
I didn't push the attack. I was afraid of a counter attack. But I guess we can do this after we get 4-5 more units to Athens to keep a defense there. Cuirassiers can get from very far to that city. Brennus is willing to talk now, but he's askinf for Athens. We can resort to this in case the situation becomes very ugly, but I won't do that now. As for Monty, IMO we shouldn't go on the attack until our war in the west is finished. Let him get some WW attacking uM.
Good luck
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It's really a nuisance, we should have watched our background and settled that part. Our units can't move quickly now. This need to be cared about first.
Um* near Monty is defended by an archer and a warrior. The advantage is that we have full visibility on Monty lands, so we can see his units coming. He has enough on his hands, so he'll be attacking soon. His target should be Teno first, nothing we can do to defend it.
I decide to take Argos. This was a mistake. I should have waited for the next turn. Alex takes it back with a cuirassier.
Our stack (Thebes razing party) who was going back to Athens is killed by Brennus stack composed of cuirassiers and a mixed pack. Only a mace manage to win his fight.
Next turn, I send a phant to kill the cuirassier in Argos and put some units to defend the city.
I used the merchant to finish off economics. We better get back to rifling path. We get a free merchant to repalce it after all.
On turn 3, the horns blow and Monty sends a pack near Teno. This city is so lost.
See this malicious smile saying you are dogpiled, fool
Brennus pushes past Athens. He's sensing weakness in our core.
- Unleash the whip ...
- wait, that's what we've been doing all time long.
- Buy new whips, metal ones and get me some fresh conscripts for the slaughter
Who was saying this thing is too easy on monarch ?
I killed the offending party, loosing some good odds battles
Teno falls to Monty hordes. I didn't thought of using the GG on a heroic mission to promote the units there
. That would have killed a couple more units from MontyI poison Athens water, since we have some EPs against Alex. I switch espionage to Brennus. Next turn, Nongoma is poisoned. With its population of 3 people, that's hardly penalizing.
Pharsalos is razed, for the loss of 1 treb (80% odds). I want to settle the spot south of it to claim the pigs.
This time, our settlers are ready. I'll wait for someone to show before settling though. It didn't take long, next turn Charlemagne is hurrying with a settler and chariot.
You need to earn new lands, go look away. Another settler is south of this position near the pigs. Please, don't fortify him, that's the way to keep watching for incoming settlers.
The merchant we got from economics is in Karakorum now. It was a dangerous travel, but in our position I was ready to take the risk. I was disappointed in the trade result, since it only brings 700 gold. The neighboring cities give the same (some shift-right click testing). The merchant gives 1100 for constitution which unlocks jails. Maybe this is better. Anyway, the merchant is still in Kara, so I'll let the group decide what to do with him.
I didn't count the number of units Monty lost when he showed at uM, it's around 6-8. He was sending pikes escorted knights. Very annoying since we don't have something to attack that with. He did some minor pillaging but some stupid suiciding too.
Situation near Monty
The west :
I didn't push the attack. I was afraid of a counter attack. But I guess we can do this after we get 4-5 more units to Athens to keep a defense there. Cuirassiers can get from very far to that city. Brennus is willing to talk now, but he's askinf for Athens. We can resort to this in case the situation becomes very ugly, but I won't do that now. As for Monty, IMO we shouldn't go on the attack until our war in the west is finished. Let him get some WW attacking uM.
Good luck
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