Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[arya126]

No, city in denamrk is bad idea. And we NEVER mentioned going after egypt. Ever. They are one of the few nations that dont want to kill us.

Really? I havent seen arabia.

 

[Captain Fargle]

Well in my experience Egypt expands quickly with Hatshepsut as leader but we're dealing with Rameses - who likes to Wonder Whore. Wonder whoring severely cuts into the ability to expand so the extent of his expansion will depend on how many wonders he's decided to build.

Also, are there any worthwhile resources around the Scottish Islands? I know Oil usually pops up there late game. Would it be worth settling a city there? We could also use it as beach head into Norway if we wanted. Ragnar seems to have ignored Norway fro some reason if I've read the screens correctly.

 

[arya126]

We already have liverpool in scotland, and norway is a no go as people are already hesitating about taking developed cities that would pay for themselves. Nobody would support a city in norway anytime soon, especially as we already need an eastern pyrenees city that was about to be set up when the romans attacked.

 

[arya126]

Also, the latest power graph that was posted during the elections showed that we were equal to the romans in power.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Presidentially

President: Cull
Vice President: ?

I know i'm still co-minister of peace with WIM but i don't think a vice president was mentioned. I think Lighthearter is probably just as confused seeing as the front page isn't updated.

Cull pick one person to be your Tempory VP. Although if you go missing as well i think i'll just call for a re-election what with two big guys going missing. Can you imagine the havoc if this happened in real life? A kidnapped Leader and the second in command missing...

Events: Copperheads & Roman Supersoilders (Captain Rome?)

Joy. Now i have to be mr resonable and state "stop smeering Arya" It's innocent untill guilty. He may have had a diabolical plot to control the copperheads and LH may have stolen the control from him and is cackling madly in the background. No-one knows. Anything could be true. There's no info. No info means no knowledge. Lets just leave it for now. There seems to be a plan in the works for dealing with the Coppers anyway.

Traitor is a tricky word to throw around. It's transitory, like good and evil, it's based more around the person using it then a solid fact. Some people see it as betraying the nation, the people, the law, morality etc.

And yeah i love being right about the Joker leading the Coppers (can you hear the sarcasim in my voice) and don't worry Arya i allready heard on the grapevine that it's a different joker then yours. Of course with the way things go currently i have no idea how much to trust each of my sources. *sigh*

Secret Agencies
Does it matter? As Nuke says i don't want to meta-game so we shouldn't just throw them more power just for the hell of it. Technically Arya's force is just the "Opposition Force" and the Ninja-Pirates are the "Admin Force" under different names. The Night Eagles are LH's plot movers. So yeah, some co-operation between the opposition force and the admin force would be nice. especially as the kidnapped former leader MN was from the Co-Op party.

Do the MiB's get included because people assume i have a hand in everything?

War Plans.

Spoiler :

Ta-da the compromise. Red army goes into Germaic lands to clear out the commerce rich lands there. Blue army is built up slowly and then launches intself into Italy following Arya's original plan. Both armies then meet up and take Rome. The two small cities are negliable. We can ask our war allies to take one each to keep them busy.

The plan would require EVERYONE to agree to at least a term or two of peace after the big war to rebuild.

New Players
Welcome. Nice to see new faces. I currently don't have as much time here but i'm sure you will make your own alliances and judgements on events as you go along. Have fun.

Has anyone seen Ilduce? I didn't see any of his posts while re-reading. Did you assassinate him when i wasn't looking Arya

Presidential Survey
I'll start on it later. Does it get sent back to you Arya or straight onto LH?

Foriegn Affairs
Egypt and India. They are the ones everyone agrees on. And Arya is right, mainly because in civ core groups get formed. If we backstab then it makes us look bad in the eyes of carthages friends, which if we befriended them would probably be OUR friends. Stick with the faraway civs as long term allies.

Anything i miss?

 

[arya126]

The presidential survey comes to me. I want to piece it together myself so as to save LH the trouble. If anyone thinks i m essed with their answers in the process, they can send a copy to LH, or just contact me about it.

Ravus that link in the spoiler doesnt work. But it sounds good the way you explained it. What happens to medialanum in this plan?

No, i unfortunatly did not assasainate Ilduce. He is very busy right now, and wont have more than an hour at once to spare for almost a week. I know this because i asked him to redo his survey, as most of it was either IDK's or crap answers, and he said he would get to it in a week.

I think Cull's VP is either you (Ravus) or WIM. Or he could name ME his VP. .

MiB's got included because they have sleepers and spies everywhere and they have the most potential to wreak havoc. And you were brainwashing teenagers against me durinh whosits term.

 

[Aysee]

FOREIGN AFFAIRS: "You declared war on our friend" is only -1...

WAR: It's good, Ravus, but do we have the man power for a two pronged attack? That is the essential question.

ONE MORE THING: Summary?

 

[W|M]

From what I can tell from IOT, Cull has gone missing as well and forgot to say it.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Link
Darn, okay does it work now?
If not this is the URL http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3938/warplan.jpg

War-Plan
Basically the Red Army swings around to claim Medi after the Germaic lands. This could be done at the Same time as the Blue army pushes forward into Setia. It also means that the last few battles would happen quickly, makes the chances that Rome Capitulates smaller.

It's a compromise. And as with all Compromises i'm sure both sides would want to iron things out to make sure their own desires were secured. Hopefully the map worked this time so people can see.

To Aysee, no we don't have enough for a two pronged attack right away. Thats why the Red army goes first into Germaic lands. The Second Blue army is built up in Antium while the Red is taking cities. Once you advance from antium you no longer need a defensive force so the whole stack can advance.

Politics
Joy i'm the VP with WIM. And i wanted a position of no power. Want to trade Arya? You can be the VP and i'll go start an opposition movement? No wait that still gives me power of a sort. Bah we can just say if Cull dissapears then it's re-election time.

MiB's
I don't think brainwashing was required. In a nation their are allways people willing to support extremes. Whether they were your ways or mine. Anyway brainwashing seems iffy to my mind. I would prefer an ally that does what he does because he believes honestly from his own morals and reasoning. Someone with Brainwashing could "wake-up" so to speak.

Wreck havoc? Did one of the "last resort" plans get passed round in the shadows when i wasn't looking in my defense they were all plans for if Whosit went crazy and civil war was needed. I doubted any of them would have been implemented.

Survey
I'm halfway through now. Send it soon.

Foriegn
Yeah but when our best friend is the irish who is only cautious we need to steer clear of as many -1's as we can.

 

[W|M]

Joy i'm the VP with WIM. And i wanted a position of no power. Want to trade Arya? You can be the VP and i'll go start an opposition movement? No wait that still gives me power of a sort. Bah we can just say if Cull dissapears then it's re-election time.

Or you could be just me as the VP!

Basically the Red Army swings around to claim Medi after the Germaic lands.

Ravus, we´re playing as England, not the USSR!

 

[arya126]

We should either vassalize the irish or take them out as soon as we can. Id rather not have an uncertain nation that close to london.

I cant wait to see your answers for the survey. The others have been interesting to say the least.

War plan looks good, although im sure some people are going to complain about the costs of these cities. Well i am going to say something before they can say it. Germany will pay for itself, and even pay for settia while it recovers (i think rome whipped it, as it used to be POP6). Medialanum should pay for itself, and rome should have plenty of excess.

It seemed like you were brainwashing them in one of the narratives you wrote. It was the one during ML in Iberia.

 

[arya126]

WIM thats what i thought when i saw the red army in the picture. Lets hope they dont use the human wave like the red army and get destroyed.

And cull was on alot earlier today. He is very active, and NOT absent.

 

[Lighthearter]

If it hadn't been for Cotton Eye Joe,
I'd been married a long time ago -
Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Cotton Eye Joe?
If it hadn't been for Cotton Eye Joe,
I'd been married a long time ago -
Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Cotton Eye Joe?

Seriously, that song is awesome. It takes the edge off reading this thread. That's what I've been doing ALL DAY. I need it to actually read this and not strangle people. Things have been up and down on the insane scale all the past few days.

I don't have the time tonight or tomorrow or Thursday for that matter to really comment, but I'll take a whack at it tomorrow night. The Eagles are coming back soon, hopefully, and we may just find out what Whosit has been up to . . . .

Nice interpretation, Ravus - I AM cackling madly in the background as I contemplate the anarchy Joker shall unleash.

I'm not gone, though. NEVER.

- Lighthearter

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Ravus, we´re playing as England, not the USSR!

Okay okay but the Unity party is purple so i wanted a Blue and Red army to symbolise the unity once they join together against rome. I like pretty colours and symobolic stuff. I'm wierd i know.

We should either vassalize the irish or take them out as soon as we can. Id rather not have an uncertain nation that close to london.

Now that Plymouth is there we can't vassalise them. The culture would make them useless. The only city they have would starve. No the only option if you want them controlled would be annexing them. I suppose the nest term or the one after could handle it. Maybe load an army up and park outside the capital. Give them a chance to surrender control. Would be fun to re-try the negotiation thing from a position of power.

I cant wait to see your answers for the survey. The others have been interesting to say the least.

War plan looks good, although im sure some people are going to complain about the costs of these cities. Well i am going to say something before they can say it. Germany will pay for itself, and even pay for settia while it recovers (i think rome whipped it, as it used to be POP6). Medialanum should pay for itself, and rome should have plenty of excess.

Thats why people will have to agree to a few terms of peace. We'll need to use RY to whip out missionaries as they go so the cities can start paying for themselves. Plus the more cities we have the larger an army we can support without paying for it. It's a balancing act but it's do-able. Hopefully the Roman captial has a Great Prophet or Merchant settled in it if we are lucky.

It seemed like you were brainwashing them in one of the narratives you wrote. It was the one during ML in Iberia.

I think i remember the one you mean. The first one with Agent X right? Propaganda maybe, and counter-extremism i'd agree. But i'd allways assumed brainwashing was changing someones mind forcefully. Through manipulation and re-enforcement techniques.

 

[Captain Fargle]

Speaking of the Irish have we any news on whether or not they've settled Iceland as several people were saying they might? Do they even have the techs needed to reach Iceland on this map? What resources does Iceland have anyway? Is it worth us taking it eventually?

 

[mechaerik]

I support the annexation of Ireland. They're British or British descendants anyways, we should repatriate them.

 

[arya126]

We havent even seen Iceland yet. Ireland...well thats a case for a future admin anyway.

Good to see your still here LH. Hope you have time to finish that presidential survey i sent you. Im hoping to combine all of the answers and send it to you so you can use it as an update.

Mech do you want a survey? I didnt bsend you one because i didnt see any posts in the recent pages so i thought i would wait until you came on the thread.

 

[Cull]

From what I can tell from IOT, Cull has gone missing as well and forgot to say it.

Nah, the idiots who can't even understand the timezone(crop rotation in 1450 is new! Christian Reformation in Japan! Free Religion China in the time of the Emperors! What do you mean, Catholics don't like Orthodox? What's Shi'a? etc.) made me quit.



I'll let you all debate for now, and then I'll butt in a couple time probably.

 

[Aysee]

Well, IIRC, I didn't think the Ming cared about religion that much, but...

Anyways, back on topic: Do we even have enough production to build up two armies? That's my primary concern. And once we start taking all the German cities, won't Rome just start sending troops there? And won't doing so upset the power balance enough for them to vassalize to Russia? Unless we make them make peace after Medio or Cumae; but then wouldn't it give enough time to Rome to wheel it's troops back at us? And how does the revolter in the Balkans work out anyways? I thought we were annexing them...

 

[Cull]

I beg to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Dynasty#Religion

And not only that free religion wasn't around until quit a while after the 1500s, which is after what the time they are playing. But enought of that.

Two armies would tax us to the extreme as far as I know. However, pictures first! We're see