Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR
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arya126
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You have no logic. You say you dont like the plan because i am 'being a terrorist' with it, while i am only informing you of the consequences of NOT REACHING A COMPROMISE OR AGREEING TOP THE EXISTING ONE. Then you add some bullshi* 'i didnt care then' excuse of why you didnt express your dislike of the plan when Ravus posted. Actually, if i remember correctly, you actually liked the plan then.
Your acting kind of childish in this Cull.
Your acting kind of childish in this Cull.
MathNerd
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I'll address the rest of the stuff later. Right now, I am concerned over #24.
The problem is this: I understand that you want to take Setia, Rome, etc. etc. etc. I'm not going to bother questioning your reasoning on this, since we've done that more than enough already. However, you are only one voter. You have only one say in this decision, and the last time I checked (which was before I left for Hawaii), you were in the minority in saying that you wished to take Rome/Setia. I am trying to be fair to everybody's views here, and I am trying to include the Oppositions opinion in the government. However, what I cannot do is incorporate anybody's opinion into this any more than anybody else's, even my own.
And I am especially reluctant to listen to a person who threatened to hurt England if he didn't get his way. If you can get more than half of the people in this thread to agree to your plan, then yes, I will go with what you say. However, at this point, it appears that you are a member of a minority.
The problem is this: I understand that you want to take Setia, Rome, etc. etc. etc. I'm not going to bother questioning your reasoning on this, since we've done that more than enough already. However, you are only one voter. You have only one say in this decision, and the last time I checked (which was before I left for Hawaii), you were in the minority in saying that you wished to take Rome/Setia. I am trying to be fair to everybody's views here, and I am trying to include the Oppositions opinion in the government. However, what I cannot do is incorporate anybody's opinion into this any more than anybody else's, even my own.
And I am especially reluctant to listen to a person who threatened to hurt England if he didn't get his way. If you can get more than half of the people in this thread to agree to your plan, then yes, I will go with what you say. However, at this point, it appears that you are a member of a minority.
arya126
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Well why dont we wait for MN then? You have no power over whether we do it or not. Deal with it. it is pointless arguing with you Cull.
arya126
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Well this is a compromise. I thought you were about compromising MN? Going back on what you say? This is a plan that RAVUS posted. Ill quote his post if you like. Its not even my plan. I just support it.
Why dont we take into account what captain fargle said? We continue the war, and give any cities we cant afford to germany? This would let us have a very powerful vassal ready for if we go to war with russia. Then they can be an actual factor in that inevitable future war, as well as a decent ally and posisbly a buffer state.
We havent even heard basicly anyones opinion on either of these plans anyway. You are overrating Culls opinion to represent teh entire amount of people here because he is most active rigbht now.Why dont you wait?!
Why dont we take into account what captain fargle said? We continue the war, and give any cities we cant afford to germany? This would let us have a very powerful vassal ready for if we go to war with russia. Then they can be an actual factor in that inevitable future war, as well as a decent ally and posisbly a buffer state.
We havent even heard basicly anyones opinion on either of these plans anyway. You are overrating Culls opinion to represent teh entire amount of people here because he is most active rigbht now.Why dont you wait?!
Captain Fargle
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Oh ffs... both of you STOP IT! arya, stop threatening us witha tantrum if you don't get your way. It's childish, stupid and will get you nowhere. Cull, stop deliberately antagonising him. The last thing we need is England's parliament descending to, as the real former PM Gordon Brown put it "Two little boys squabbling in the bath".
Now, given that it has become clear that at least some of the more militaristic factions in our government will support nothing less than Caesar's head on a pike, why don't we consider my compromise solution where we gift the cities we can't afford to Frederick? That way everyone's happy, particularly Frederick.
Now, given that it has become clear that at least some of the more militaristic factions in our government will support nothing less than Caesar's head on a pike, why don't we consider my compromise solution where we gift the cities we can't afford to Frederick? That way everyone's happy, particularly Frederick.
MathNerd
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Well then, lets have an official vote, shall we! Everybody votes once. (And plz don't come up with too many other choices. That makes it a pain to count votes)
1) Take Neo and Cumae, then make peace
2) Ravus's double army plan
3) 2+4
4) CF's plan (give the leftover cities to Germany)
I support #1
1) Take Neo and Cumae, then make peace
2) Ravus's double army plan
3) 2+4
4) CF's plan (give the leftover cities to Germany)
I support #1
arya126
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Um...thats not my plan MN. Please take out 3. I never said (recently anyway) to take all of rome and keep it. I said to execute 2 in the short term, and 4 in the long term.
So Can you replace 3 with 2+4?
So Can you replace 3 with 2+4?
MathNerd
High on math (a, not e)
OK! 
So you're voting for #3, then?
So you're voting for #3, then?
arya126
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Yup...
EDIT: VOTES:
Choice 1: 1
Choice 3: 1
EDIT: VOTES:
Choice 1: 1
Choice 3: 1
Captain Fargle
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My vote is #4, for obvious reasons.
EDIT: How long till voting ends? 24 hours? 48?
EDIT: How long till voting ends? 24 hours? 48?
MathNerd
High on math (a, not e)
I actually don't mind #4 that much, but the only problem I see with it is that because we are trusting Germany, I expect LH to throw something in to tear us apart, just like he added the hostage thing with Russia when we decided to cultivate them as an ally.
Lighthearter
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Have this done by Thursday afternoon - say 4:00. I can play the next update that night. Sorry MN, but we've had almost a month of you and nothing's happened. I want to move on to the next man in a fancy suit.
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Have this done by Thursday afternoon - say 4:00. I can play the next update that night. Sorry MN, but we've had almost a month of you and nothing's happened. I want to move on to the next man in a fancy suit.
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MathNerd
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#1 - 1
#2- 0
#3 - 1
#4 - 1
Cull will abstain until Whosit shows up, which is fine.
BTW, I'll let people take back votes, since this is an informal election.
#2- 0
#3 - 1
#4 - 1
Cull will abstain until Whosit shows up, which is fine.
BTW, I'll let people take back votes, since this is an informal election.
arya126
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Actually LH added the hostage thing (The baltic Crisis I presume) was added because of the -17 modifier they gave us in diplomacy due to releasing the irish mongols. I really doubt he would do the same with germany as he has already added them as our vassals because (i think) of what whosit chose in the rebellion thing.
And only some people 'decided' (a better word would be wanted) to cultivate russia. Not everyone supported it.
arya126
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Also CF why dont you vote for #3? Its basicly your plan but with a short term war plan adding to it. Basicly, its just using Ravus's tactical plan, but with your strategic thinking. In other words we use Ravus's plan but continue attacking rome afterwards and give the excess cities to germany.
MathNerd
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