Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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I highly doubt we'll need to gift anything for peace. Rome will probably need to give us something for peace.

And Neo will definitely pay for itself, look at all of that river grass! (I haven't seen Cumae up close, so I can't tell)
 
Okay just saw it. You guys are missing so damned much. Detailed post in a bit because i still need to eat.
 
1. A city never pays for itself. Thats the number 1 rule when it comes to super economies (a profit and 100% science). The only way to get a good income is specialists and GP.
Cottages improve tech rate
Specialists (priests and artists) improve gold

2. I would like to see a picture of both up close before deciding whether or not we can financially afford them
 
LH already got enough pictures. We should really be grateful, not go running to him demanding more.

Great! A city never pays for itself. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have more than one city.
 
Before we start busting MathNerd, be aware he made that plan in the span of around 10 or so minutes, including the pics. @Arya, myself, MathNerd, etc.

:3
 
Great! A city never pays for itself. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have more than one city.
Only get a second city when you are making +2 gpt on 100% science.
You know what I meant. Eventually the city does. But at the beginning, the first 120 or so turns after taking it, it doesn't. As our economy is in the gutters, we can't afford another city. So don't take them.


@LH: Sorry to be such a pain, but a picture of Cumea and Neopolis would be nice.
 
Great! A city never pays for itself. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have more than one city.
Only get a second city when you are making +2 gpt on 100% science.
You know what I meant. Eventually the city does. But at the beginning, the first 120 or so turns after taking it, it doesn't. As our economy is in the gutters, we can't afford another city. So don't take them.


@LH: Sorry to be such a pain, but a picture of Cumea and Neopolis would be nice.
 
Wrong. Completely wrong. We take the city, after its 5 or so turns of anarchy, cottage it, and its around the level of Amsterdam.

And thats a silly rule ilduce.
 
1. Move one of the archers in the pyrenees to dfend the alps pass from italy to switzerland.

2. Build 2 triremes from liverpool once that horse archer is finished. We are england. We need a strong fleet.

3. Build a fishing boat in birmingham before finishing the heroic epic. Its starving. We need to get it fed.

4. Move that trireme in the channel to attack the roman one in the bay of biscay RIGHT NOW.

5. Iberia and the isles are mostly finished. Anything that isnt is probably not very crucial. Move ALL workers to the york/amsterdam area right now. Make sure to pasture those pigs near york, and as soon as we can build workshops build some around amsterdam especially, but york too.

6. As plymouth (plysit? whomouth? Whoville?) grows, start lettiung it work those hills near it and let london work those fish (or whatever resource is off the coast).

7. Build roads to both amsterdam and antium. We need to be able to move troops faster.

8. Mongolia has a second city to the north of scapa flow. Can we get some intel on it? They might even have settled iceland by now. They have had 3 terms (90 turns) to grow and expand. Still not that much of a threat, but it would be nice to make plans for either vassalization or conquest in the future.

9. Egypt and india are the score leaders. SO WHAT??!! They are the only ones that we have a chance of befriending besides the vikings and carthage, and i would rather conquer those 2 in the later game. Prioritize befriending them, since everyone insists on having allies. I would prefer to have none.

10. Keep birmingham as the heroic epic city. Right now they are producing the most hammers in our empire, and it will be a powerful epic city. I really see no point in changing it now. Its in a good position and is close to being finished.

11. Make sure london works the money bag tile in the future when it grows.

12. Build some farms near amsterdam so that it can continue to grow. Unlike most other cities, it does not have a growth resource nearby.

13. In liverpool, we are working a tile directly south of the city. Stop working it. Start working the one that is 1 tile south of that tile (2 south of the city). It has the same commerce, and more food. Much more. With that, we could whip out some units.

14. Mine the silver mine south of CN in north africa. Pray that our culture can keep it.

15. Make any trades that are advantageous to us, no matter who they are with, but prioritize trades with egypt/india.

16. Tech= Machinery-engineering-fuedalism-CS-Paper-guilds. The tech pic doesnt show too much, but thats what i can make out from it. Once that is finished, start researching any old techs that we have left behind and havent traded for yet. But make it a priority to trade for those tcehs we are leaving behind.

17. ON GERMANY- Aim to befriend them, and try to vassalize them in the future. If it doesnt work, then we can make plans to conquer them in the future if needed.

18. NO WONDERS! Once we have peace we can TALK about them. Right now we dont have the time nor the capacity to build them. Troops and infra is what we need.

19. NO MORE WORKERS. We have plenty. Once we make peace, MAYBE 2-3 workjers, but no morte than that, especially in wartime. What we have now should be enough to build up gaul in good enough time.

20. Cuyll is right. We need a library in RY, as well as everywhere else.

21. ON WAR- We had a perfectly good compromise proposed by Ravus a while ago. It involved using 2 armies. While the first army would attack neapolis (which can be taken sooner than expected) then swing down to take cumae and medialanum, a second army would be built in antium as losses from the first army piled up, it would make room for more troops to be built without straining teh economy too much more. Then the second army would attack settia at the same time as when the first army gets there, and they merge. After that we can take rome if we want to. Look at previous Ravus posts for a more detailed version.

22. OUR ECONOMY CAN TAKE THE EXTRA CITIES!

23. Maybe we should consider building the palace in RY in the future. It would be effective, as well as reducing the colony maintenence by quite a bit, as well as the distance one as well. Just a thought. I would rather not, but if the economy starts to collapse we may need to do it.

24. The war is the one thing i will not compromise on. The plan from ravus IS THE COMPROMISE. I will not compromise farther. If you do not accept that, then i will call for a general strike. I understand that would be disastrous in wartime, but not taking italy will be even more disastrous in the future.

25. Ilduce you are wrong. We can afford more cities. neapolis will pay for itslef and probbaly even help pay for another city. It is already well developed. Dont pillage anything, and after 5 turns of anarchy after taking it we have a great city. If you want a look at cumae and neapolis LOOK AT PREVIOUS PICS OF THEM. tHERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL PICS THROUGHOUT THE THREAD OF THEM, SEVERAL HAVE BEEN RECENT IN THE GAME. IF YOU DONT WANT TO LOOK THROUGH THE THREAD FOR THEM, YOU DONT WANT THEM ENOUGH.

26. That should be all for now. I will comment more as more issues come up.
 
And of course I'm the bad guy here. Calling a general strike if you don't get what you want?

HIGHER SIZE FONT MAKES ME LOOK BETTER AND MORE IMPORTANT.

Your tech plan is far more military than mine, and most are blanching at my military one with some econ. We need more workers. Once we take Germany, we have pretty much all of Gaul, and Germany to rebuild.
 
And of course I'm the bad guy here. Calling a general strike if you don't get what you want?

HIGHER SIZE FONT MAKES ME LOOK BETTER AND MORE IMPORTANT.

Cull stop twisting things. I merely want this compromise. It will be very much worth it in the long run. The font size was only to highlight what i thought was the most important part of the post.

I will call a general strike if we dont accept this compromise, or another compromise that is equally as good as this one. Nobody seemed to openly disagree with it when Ravus posted it. So why is it a bad plan now? If its not a bad plan, there should be no problem about the general strike. So im the bad guy for saying that, but Ravus isnt when he threatens a vote of no confidence?
 
I thought that larger font size made the argument more correct:lol::p

On a serious note, Germany IS our vassal, people.

Oh, and since I finally got my 1st cell phone yesterday, I'm not going to be as readily available as before.:D:p

- Lighthearter

Have fun with your phone! I remember when i got my first phone...it sucked but it was still a phone:D.

Yes i noticed that germany was our vassal in those pics, but i guess i forgot to change the earlier part of it. My bad. In that case i say we develop them as an ally, maybe gift them medialanum so that it doesnt weigh us down, but rome doesnt have it either.

EDIT: Congrats on 400 posts LH!
 
Well, we were spamming our butts off, while you are openly saying if we don't so X, you will cause a general strike.

Dictionary.com said:
Terrorism:
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

When Ravus posted it, the top guns/people were missing, and I really couldn't care less at that point.
 
I am NOT trying to imtimidate or coerce. I am letting you know that i feel strongly about this issue. Now do you agree with the plan of compromise posted by Ravus or not? If you couldnt care lkess than dont go and try to care now. Thats a bad excuse.
 
Holy crap the Mongols have a second city! When did they get that? Good for them. Still not a threat though.

Here's a new idea for how to deal with Rome, hold him off at a stalemate until we get Feudalism and then attack him only as much as is necessary to capitulate him. After that he becomes an irrelevance without the need to worry about sinking our economy by taking everything he's got. We CANNOT afford all of Rome's remaining territory right now, but we can afford to have Caesar under our thumb for the rest of the game just like we can afford Frederick. Plus a bunch of vassals is nice if we want to set up a voting bloc for the AP/UN.

On Wonders, if we must build them, build them only in London/Liverpool. Those are the only cities that can afford to do it right now. I also recommend sending a boat out to scout and see just how far Mongol territory has expanded, if it covers enough area we may need to ensure to stay on the Khan's good side in order to maintain Open Borders for easy travel.

EDIT: Bloody hell you guys post fast!

FURTHER EDIT: Germany is already our vassal? That opens up the option of wiping Rome off the map and just giving the cities we can't afford to the far more amiable Frederick.
 
I am NOT trying to imtimidate or coerce. I am letting you know that i feel strongly about this issue. Now do you agree with the plan of compromise posted by Ravus or not? If you couldnt care lkess than dont go and try to care now. Thats a bad excuse.

Well, Mr. If you don't do X, I will do Y, it appears that you are. I don't agree with it. I care now because you're threatening a general strike if we don't go along with it.
 
Cull thats a bunch of bullshi* reasoning.

Actually Captain Fargel has a point. How about we take the rest of roman territory, wiping them off the map, but we give all the territoy outside of rome and germany to the actual CIV germany? That would give us a very powerful vassal, and it would deprive the russians/vikings of the chance to take the land/vassalize rome. A very good idea. I still support using the compromise plan Ravus came up with, then going from there with taking Roman cities, but something can defeintly be achieved here.

Actually on wonders, once peace is achieved, i think one should be built in RY, AK, CN, and plymouth in order to honor their namesakes (as i am presuming that we will rename plymouth as something relating to whosit). Maybe one more in london sine it is a powerful city, but no more than 2 there. We should spread them out.
 
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