Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Whosit]

@ Whosit- I know I did think Imperial Whilst Typeing that, But It did'nt seem to have been doing much about it. We have a big army, but we're not using it.

To be fair, this term was supposed to contain the final military buildup with a war declaration next term (at least, so far as I understood it). Then... stuff happened. So war may come a bit earlier? But I still think we're ready, though a naval invasion of Norseland may have to wait if we don't have Galleons yet. But we can surely retake Ireland and conquer our way east through Greece and whatever remains of Russia.

I do have to give Ravus credit, though. He has plans within plans within donuts. I may try to use similar strategies, but I can't claim to be the master of them.

 

[ono-neko]

But I still think we're ready, though a naval invasion of Norseland may have to wait if we don't have Galleons yet. But we can surely retake Ireland and conquer our way east through Greece and whatever remains of Russia.

Don't we have Galleys? If enough of them are built, marching to Norseland shouldn't be too hard, unless if Galleons are within reach already.

Is Greece vassal or friendly toward Russia or Viking? How about toward us? I don't know how many units Greece has, but we don't want them to declare war on us too during the war.

 

[Captain Fargle]

The Polish Greeks are Viking vassals. We go to war with Ragnar, we go to war with Alex as well. He's a vassal though and not a strong one.

I doubt he's that much stronger than our Frederick.

 

[Dem Taqat]

@Whosit- good point. A military Build up definately occured during your term and now it looks like it will be used to good Affect when we

RETAKE OUR IRELAND

You also proved you can build a strong economy, and your Micromanaging skills appear to have proven very useful. I expect that even remaining Independant I will probably vote imperial Quite often. As I said, Slaughter is best done with and a Heart of Ice (ice that is).I'm glad we agree on the need to

RETAKE OUR IRELAND

So it looks like

Also I agree we should be anle to manage an Irish invasion with just galleys considering our tech levels, but trying that in scandanavia sounds suicidal to me. We should be able to keep ragnar out if we spin it as self defence and begin visibly communicating with the arabs about the war.

What are our relations like with the arabs btw?

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[Whosit]

What are our relations like with the arabs btw?

DT
Crusader for the Cause

Non-existent, as far as I know. But I haven't been managed foreign affairs this term. We probably have a penalty for having a different religion, though. But it sounds like they've become large enough to be a regional threat, but at the moment, the Vikings and Russians are closer.

 

[Dem Taqat]

In that case we should co-ordinate our war efforts and then them for moscow and see if we can start snowballing from there
after all if catherine lives we should restore her to her home even if she does just remain imprisoned there, right?

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[Gruekiller]

We have no border with the Arabs, so we can worry about our relations with them later. Right now we border on the Carthaginians (neutral towards us), and the Buddhist Alliance of Vikingland, Russia, and Poland-Greece, which are, respectively, slightly hostile towards us, very hostile towards us, and not quite as much hostile towards us. Across the sea are the American civs, which, to the best of my knowledge, are all still neutral towards us. I can't help but wonder if India still hates us after all this time.

 

[ono-neko]

It seems that DT is pretty obsessed with retaking Ireland I admit it's very tempting to do so. However, we have to assess the situation very carefully and see if it's the top priority in the list of must-do-urgently. There's advantage of attacking Viking's most green and productive land first, if simply to prevent them from pumping out units, as well as, helping Russia, if and when we do intend to attack Russia. If Greece is not that strong, we can just post few units along the border, and have our Germany vassal to handle them. Keep in mind, our supply line will be through Greece if we do attack Russia.

 

[Dem Taqat]

RETAKE OUR IRELAND

was a rallying call in t' good ol' days, I think Mecharik used it, along with an awesome picture that i can't find. I am restoring these old traditions, partly for nostalgia, partly for idealism

OUR IRELAND

, and partly for strategy, as it's right next to the core. (in tac/galley range)
The Vikings have good land, but I expect russia to be better. Also since their now warming to us, we may be able to cultivate them as allies, after all we think very similarly.
As to the Arabs, if I recall correctly they are at war with russia, which should help, and at least appearance of an alliance might prevent interferance in the war by another party, e.g.ragnar . At the very least we might agree on a land split. Then we can them and take all their share, and their holy cities, becoming a global superpower in the proccess.

DT
Crusader for the Cause

Edit: Ahah, what do we have here

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[Whosit]

At the present moment, nuclear missiles, tactical or otherwise, are not a major concern.

 

[Dem Taqat]

True, But Galleys invading our homeland and capital definately are


DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[Whosit]

A few Caravels should keep us covered, though I'm not sure what the state of our navy is, exactly.

 

[Dem Taqat]

I Hope so, but I'd be happier just taking the island for ourselves, possibly using it as a naval base

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[Ravus_Sol]

And Then I have seen a lot of that Cold, Hard, Whatever-it-takes bloodymindedness from Ravus too.

I do have to give Ravus credit, though. He has plans within plans within donuts. I may try to use similar strategies, but I can't claim to be the master of them.

Is this how you guys talk about me when i'm not here? What did i do to deserve this? (I deny everything)


Domestic Affairs
I am enjoying the growing power of the Independent Players. Welcome Taqat and Ono-Neko, any thoughts on events so far it's allways good to hear differing perspectives on events.

We do technically have a Fanatic style Party via the War Monger Party with Ninja and technically Captain Fargles Pragmatic Party is looking more and more coldly ruthless. A name change to the "Nietzschean Party" perhaps?

Whosit i'm afraid you come of more as a vulcan, the emotions are there but you place them aside for the greater good of the people. I think Taqat is speaking of a colder or more ruthless style then your own. Remember Lighthearter is playing this as all those little people are emotional as well as mathematical numbers... So you can easily break their spirits and will to live if you wanted to...

Also remember Independents, you don't have to JOIN parties you can create your own, they also don't have to be long term, they can just be something to push an agenda you want. Such as a "Take back our island" Party or a "Buddhists must die!" Party.

Although poor WIM is now our lone voice of goodness in the thread. Not that the Co-operative party or the Capitalist Consortium were necessarily "good" (Has MN officially gone for re-creating the Co-Ops even though many won't trust him for awhile? And did he allow himself to be locked up for a term to stop his action abilities?)

Foreign Affairs
Politically it's probably best to strike first at the Vikings. They havn't responded to any diplomatic inquiries so Ragnar probably still supports Russia over us. Best to deal with him now while we have the edge then deal with the others.

Strategically well... it's just so tempting to kick Ragnar while his Doom Stack is all the way in India who he's at war with.

So basically I encourage falling back onto the original plan, oh my has it been so long? That way by the time we come to deal with Russia we will know if Catherine is alive or not. Thus the plan once again becomes build up and bee-line cannons followed by Frigates. Quickly upgrade all the Trebs into the Kings of Battle and Tiremes into Frigates then hold an election to see who gets the honour of leading the war (the army would still be positioned against ragnar but i guess the new president could change targets, thats the joy of a election)

 

[Dem Taqat]

@Ravus- I feel I have a certain amount of Justification (I saw Everything, it's in my diary)
However, just in case you don't recognize it, those are qualities I admire in you, they are your most important Virtues

I know that I can make a party, but with the movement to abolish one man parties i don't expect it would last very long. Still, I am considering the Idea

Poor WIM, but it's just so much fun to be an fanatical communist warmonger. Perhaps in time (for us to become a superpower) god shall lead me to embrace a more pacifistic approach, where I can support WIM in his idalistic ways. I have great respect for how he has held onto his moralls the entire game, whilst overs have turned to manipulation, terrorism, and even treason

As to foreign policy i didn't know the viking army was in india, that changes things, we could prehaps win the war before they returned. However it appears peter is dead set on war with us as last i heard he was still marshelling troops in england left over from the illduce affair. I agree if we stay at peace with russia we should go for vikings and greece, perhaps expand germany a little in the proccess

oh and about that island

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[Captain Fargle]

Nietzsche is too nihilistic for my tastes. My idea of perfect government actually more along the lin....

The PPP henceforth is known as the Vetinari Party!

Also, sorry for the lack of part 2. I've come down with a bout of what we shall charitably refer to as severe intestinal distress and I haven't had the energy. It will be up as soon as possible.

 

[Dem Taqat]

Hope you get well soon Fargle
I can't wait for the next part, their so;

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[W|M]

I'm all alone here on the left...

 

[Dem Taqat]

I Know, poor poor WIM
I feel so mean leaving you on your own like that,
Whilst I'm trying to wage holy war

DT
Crusader for the Cause

 

[W|M]

I don't think that idea will get too much support!