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We cannot stop Russia falling if Arabia really is going to take it down.

It is sheer lunacy to piss the Arabians off as well while we have war with Russia and are planning a major offensive on Ragnar. We are a great empire but we are not that great!

Arabia is miles away and is no direct threat to us, and I believe the theory of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is very applicable right now.
 
OOC-@Mech/TT-The Idea I was trying to get across is that we are all enemies, but if one is swallowed by another it will upset the power balence. To prevnt this Happening I want to conquer as much of Russia as possible to ensure Arabia doesn't get to powerful by absorbing Russia. If we take some of russia then not all of russia's land=power will go to arabia, who are growing fast and likely to get faster. The more of Russian Power we take ourselves the less will be taken by Arabia And used against us later.

DT
Crusader for the Cause :jesus:
 
The enemy of my enemy Distracts them so I can :backstab: at an opportune Moment

DT
Crusader :jesus:
 
Perhaps it would be better to consider this: Who is the enemy of our enemy's enemy? (Who is the enemy of Arabia?)
 
@DT: You're wrong. If the Arabians conquer Russia they will simply be overextending themselves. They'll drive their army to bits dashing it against the Russian army, and the cities they conquer will be in rebellion, their citizens in revolt. Not to mention their little war in India...
And when they DO finish conquering Russia, that would be the perfect time for US to sweep in and liberate it.

Speaking of which, I move that we should begin to secretly fund and supply the Indians in their fight for freedom against the vile invaders who would seeek to subjugate their homeland.

EDIT: I would imagine that they would have picked up some enemies, what with all their warring and the like.
 
Lol at some of the ideas of what an enemy's enemy is.

We try and be greedy and take out Russia as much as possible, then so many of our cities are going to be susceptible to an attack by Ragnar, and we are the ones who over-extend.

Here's something worth thinking on as well (working under the assumption that Catherine is immortal so being shot hasn't killed her).

Let Arabia take over plenty of Russia, probably kill Peter. Now we focus on the closer Ragnar so we have a border with Arabian Russia with strong supply lines. We then use Catherine as a standard bearer for the Russians to rebel against their Arabian occupiers and we take over as 'liberators' and install Catherine as a puppet queen?
 
Actually I was planning on taking out Ragnar first, then whoever is in control of Russia. And Catherine is MIA.
 
@Ravus- I feel I have a certain amount of Justification (I saw Everything, it's in my diary:evil:)
However, just in case you don't recognize it, those are qualities I admire in you, they are your most important Virtues :yup:

Virtues? Perhaps those History Books are even more propoganda like then i origainally thought :mischief: although i think any subtly i was going for in a independent position is now gone. Oh well i'll stick to the Pope thing. But i'm not sure i can support Theocracy... Whosit probably remembers what i can manipulate that civic into from a position of Supreme Religious Player... :king:

I enjoy your Role so don't worry too much about tempering it, and sometimes we need a sudden response. Luckily this isn't one of those times :D I am loving that i gain a supporter for religion just after i close down the old party. Talk about timing on our parts.

I think everyone has ideas on who the shooter was, the question is, do we want to make an domestic incident about it after the chaos with ilduce or do we want to just get on with things... i'm sure the shooter is banking on the later and he/she/it is right. Carry on regardless. (Oh and yes i'm pretty sure the shooter wasn't me too... unless i arranged it that way to look innocent and wiped my own memory, and even i'm not that extreme)

Nietzsche is too nihilistic for my tastes. My idea of perfect government actually more along the lin....

The PPP henceforth is known as the Vetinari Party!

10 points right there just for the name! THATS a party i wouldn't mind joining in the future.

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On Russia vs Norse
This is the issue that plagued last election and this chaos hasn't helped it. I support Aysee in his continued plans against Ragnar. I'd recommend adding whatever addition you feel relevent to the old plan and just re-sending that for the second half of your turn-set

Oh... yes just so you know Russia has declared on us over the whole... well mess with ilduce and catherine and he possibly knows we blew up his research facility. But from the sounds of it we are at war with Russia unless we sue for peace. So it could be correct that now is a good time to Re-take Ireland before going to war on the Norse...

On Ireland
See THIS is why The Patriots Coalition didn't want to be the ones to liberate Ireland, thats a political storm waiting to happen over whether it's returned to the Kahn or not and whether he would be freely independent or a vassal.

To Twinkletoes
Remember to PM Lighthearter with your party name and description so he can put it on the front page :-) And thank you sir! Sensible Centre parties are going to be the bread and butter of things in response to that little chaos with ilduce. Last time something like this happened everyone joined into one huge coalition that then broke down from not being able to keep everyone happy. A few sensible parties will do much better at tempering things.

To Aysee
Asuming my voice still counts while being an independent, While the Arabians may become slightly overextended in their two wars, the aim of their fighting has been to capture the money producing Religious Holy Shrines... This will probably offset that overextention and leave them able to control all of Middle Eurasia.

The Enemy of Arabia is India and Russia. Arabia's threats or rivals are the same as ours. We are approaching the age of empires and the landscape is shaping up to have 3 powers in the world:

- Arabia, with lots of holy shrines and landmass they will be a problem that needs dealing with before they snowball
- Zulu, With their enslavement of the Egyptian people this guy has gone from petty warlord to world power in the south. He's also so far away that we will never be able to keep track of his army strength... unless we got another great spy
- Us, The Crusaders we don't have the land power of our two rivals so we need some breathing space fast. We allready have one vassal positioned nicely but we are not as stable as the others.

Lesser Powers:
- Vikings, they have the tech but not the landmass and thus not that much production, take out their good cities or the Doom Stack just once and they will never recover.
- Carthage, The Quiet neighbour, never have any idea about this one, but considering he's between us and teh Zulu's he's going to make an impact later even if it's only from hitting the floor after one of us is done with him.
- Japan/Korea, Whoever emerges from the eastern war could take a position of power over there, especially now India is beaten.

Considering your job is just to get England Cannons and Frigates for pure military super-power we should be fine for your last turn-set. Once we have all those we can push into Ragnar's mainlands while holding back anything that comes towards us in the east. The Taking of Ireland while Russia has declared on us it up to you. It could be done... and if you time it right it will be taken at the end of your term meaning you don't have to deal with what happens to it after it stops revolting.

Hell if things do start looking bad we are only a few techs away from machine gunners! I'd like to see anyone take our cities with them inside. At least untill the enemy gets Infantry themselves.

- Ravus, Benign and totally moral Pope
 
- Vikings, they have the tech but not the landmass and thus not that much production, take out their good cities or the Doom Stack just once and they will never recover.

- Ravus, Benign and totally moral Pope

Agreed. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go. Remove them completely so they dont backstab us in Russia
 
See, that's exactly my point. We need war NOW, so that we can draw upon the resources of Europe when we finally face Arabia.

You're right in saying that Moscow will only aid in financing their wars...*shiver*
 
If you want war NOW then i suppose it's just a toss up between a quick strike on Ragnar for a few losses or allowing Russia's war declaration to stand and claiming Ireland so we don't have to guard our back.

and yes... thats only moscow and the Buddhist holy city. If they claim Dehli as well for the Hindu holy city well... THAT would be bad.
 
Yes, but I hope to avert it by secretly funding and supplying India (a la Soviet-Afghan War)
 
Personally, I think we should strike the Vikings now. I don't know exactly how far we are from Steel and Astronomy, but if the bulk of the Viking forces are away, Redcoats and Trebuchets should be sufficient to deal a major blow to the Viking core. We should plan for a holding action on our eastern front, and keep a respectable detachment on the home island and in Iberia, but we should not actually invade Ireland until we have the Viking homeland. Without Galleons and Frigates, a two-front naval invasion would be suicidal. I wonder if we even have enough transports for our current army.

While we could continue to build up and develop new technology, the longer we delay, the better the odds that the Vikings make a significant breakthrough that will make an assault all the more difficult.
 
I agree with Whosit. If we want to attack Viking, need to do it fast, while they are still occupied with other matters. If Russia is weakened already, depending on their state, we can simply handle them defensively while taking care of Ragnar. Hopefully Germany have the resources (or we can provide some, if possible) to build necessary army, and annoy Russia and hold Greece in check.

I don't think we need to worry about Zulu just yet, since they are pretty far and we don't have direct border with them. Arabia, on the other hand, needs to be check out regularly. It's a good thing that we don't have border with them since at this time we probably don't have the resources to deal with them. The only way we can deal with them is either by greater numbers or having more advance army compare to them, if it comes to war. However, let's worry about it when we cross that bridge.

If and when we can build caravel, I suggest we build at least two to go to east and west to prove that the earth is indeed round. It will boost our naval's pride (OOC: +1 naval movement can make a difference whether chasing or retreating in naval combat).

OOC: my modern warfare is pretty rustic, since I only play civ4 with ancient/medieval theme mod in the past few years. Hopefully I will be able to keep up.
 
We actually have a standing DOW from Russia? *Evilgrin* Finally......

PREPARE YOURSELVES MEN! THE TIME OF THE GREAT LIBERATION IS AT HAND! LET'S US STORM NEW HORIZONS AND NOT STOP TILL EVERY RUSSIAN THERE IS RED WITH THEIR OWN BLOOD INSTEAD OF THEIR COATS!

FOR THE KHAN!
 
I have all confidence that the nations of Europe cannot, and will not, stand up against the force of our military might. Europe has a crapload of resources. If you control the entire continent, you already have pretty much any resource you could ever need. That'll be useful for endeavors (endeavours) outside of the continent.
 
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