Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR
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Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
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Who knows? I simply love history but even then, I can only remember JFK for Marylin, the embarrassing Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Missile Crisis (which was a tie of sorts since while most people know about the Russians withdrawing their missiles from Cuba, few know about us withdrawing from Turkey) and his assassination.
Poor Truman. From the top of my sleepy head, I can only remember him for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
probably for the attempted sabotage of the Iron Mines of Wales,and your insistence on not researching Iron Working or building any sort of military.
OOC:I just found out you can send a PM to yourself!! this takes "note to self" to a whole new level
Lighthearter
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MathNerd, Cull - 2 hours. I leave for 2 hours to build a better Jurassic Park and Stingray's practically been run out of this thread on a rail by you two. 2 hours.
Would it kill you to just be a little nicer and maybe get him in PM contact with me to EXPLAIN the rules to him??
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Would it kill you to just be a little nicer and maybe get him in PM contact with me to EXPLAIN the rules to him??
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Ah! Damn you Eisenhower and you confusing me when I should be sleeping.
The Korean War is pretty tricky. The US remembers its wars. We've only been around for 250 or so years so we can name most of the biggies we've been in.
Revolution, 1812, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq/Afghanistan.
There was the whole thing about the Philippines and want not as well but not many people know about those. The War of 1812 is so obscure by now to most people I know they don't even know who was president at the time.
I don't know why but it seems that Korea, despite being a huge fraking deal, is largely forgotten. For instance, the egomaniac named General MacArthur wanted to use nukes against the Chinese forces. Hilarious when you remember that we've already bombed the entire peninsula to hell and the guy was an egomaniac leading to situations where he felt that his British equivalent in India was encroaching on his territory in the Pacific.
There's a really funny quote from Churchil about that I need to look up that deals with that.
Edit: Couldn't find it but here's a paraphrased quote.
ilduce349
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I'm getting VP at the moment. The administration was the on Ayra offered to are coalition.
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Whosit
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There's a reason it was nicknamed "Mr. Madison's War."
This is the first time I've heard it referred to as such and I spent 99% of my internet on an alternate history board before I started posting here.
The war was amazing in that the British "won" (I call burning down the capital a "win"), no gains were made and the Battle of New Orleans saw Andrew Jackson emerging awesome (but we only remember him for the Trial of Tears now so my point still stands).
Whosit
Entropic Knight
Color me confused. Are you saying that I should negotiate with you, or that I shouldnt negotiate with you?
@Sonereal: I think that more people remember Jackson for New Orleans, actually. I'd say that the war ending in a draw, since the peace treaty basically restored things to the way they were before the war (technical term for such a treaty escapes me at the moment). U.S. capital was burned, but the U.S. won a surprising number of naval victories against the supposedly invulnerable British fleet. It's a very interesting war.
Regarding Korea, not sure why it's so forgotten. I know that it was not technically a "war," it was termed a "police action." Perhaps that is why? Perhaps because it was between World War II and the Vietnam War? Dunno.
OK, that's enough off-topic for me.
arya126
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Hmm sonereal finally something we could probably debate on in peace. I love history as well, although i am not as detailed overall as you seem to be. WW2 is where i normally focus when i read/search about history information. I also know a good bit about the hundred years war and the war of 1812. Maybe ill PM you about this sometime.
BTW, James madison was president during the war o 1812. Knew it off the top of my head.
Lets let the history book decrsibe us shall we? And the only way we could have prevented that war would probably be by accepting OB when they offered them, but that was in Cull's term, out of my control and necassery at the time, although the point of it was prooved a moot point whwen LH settled the west coast of Iberia first, wher the lack of OB was meant to exploit the fact that we could put a city near the pyrenees and block off spain from rome and europe while we settled the rest of it at a later date. But otherwise, we did NOTHING to infuriate rome.
Also, you are under the impression that france is lost permanently and we are out of the war (from your posts this is what i gathered). but we are still at war with them, and i think every party/coalition (except GreenPeace) is fully commited to retaking it before we settle with a peace.
You say i could have built more workers instead of those settlers. but then we would have 2 less cities right now, and limited extra infra to show for it. We would be unable to exploit the gold and silver in Iberia, and romans would have taken the low countries. I dont really see a better position in that area for the city so....
And if you recognize that Iberia was in the process of being built upon, then dont say i failed to improve it. The 2 cities were founded at the very end of Cull's adminsatrtion, had no workers, were in a somewhat bad placing, and growth had been stunted with birmingham building a worker. I got LH to shift the placing to make more sense, brought in workers doing little good in england, and changed the builds. Iberia is finally looking like the beginings of the productive base it was meant to be.
Ilduce i will quote your post to answer it. Your not off the hook.
BTW, James madison was president during the war o 1812. Knew it off the top of my head.
Lets let the history book decrsibe us shall we? And the only way we could have prevented that war would probably be by accepting OB when they offered them, but that was in Cull's term, out of my control and necassery at the time, although the point of it was prooved a moot point whwen LH settled the west coast of Iberia first, wher the lack of OB was meant to exploit the fact that we could put a city near the pyrenees and block off spain from rome and europe while we settled the rest of it at a later date. But otherwise, we did NOTHING to infuriate rome.
Also, you are under the impression that france is lost permanently and we are out of the war (from your posts this is what i gathered). but we are still at war with them, and i think every party/coalition (except GreenPeace) is fully commited to retaking it before we settle with a peace.
You say i could have built more workers instead of those settlers. but then we would have 2 less cities right now, and limited extra infra to show for it. We would be unable to exploit the gold and silver in Iberia, and romans would have taken the low countries. I dont really see a better position in that area for the city so....
And if you recognize that Iberia was in the process of being built upon, then dont say i failed to improve it. The 2 cities were founded at the very end of Cull's adminsatrtion, had no workers, were in a somewhat bad placing, and growth had been stunted with birmingham building a worker. I got LH to shift the placing to make more sense, brought in workers doing little good in england, and changed the builds. Iberia is finally looking like the beginings of the productive base it was meant to be.
Ilduce i will quote your post to answer it. Your not off the hook.
arya126
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I have never heard the name 'Mr. Madisons war' before. i actually consider it an american victory even though it was an ante bellum peace. Thsi is because we showed that we wer not britains colonies anymore like they had been trying to show us off as. They tryed to stop our free trade, and after the war they didnt interfere nearly as much. But im biased as an american.
Korea is actually well remembered among people that actually pay even a bit of attention to history. the problem is, most people dont even care for history thats as improtant as the american revolution (important in the usa) or WW2. they barely know anything about it. I know a fair bit about it as my grandfather was an engineer in the navy and is a korean war bveteran even though he wasnt a combat troop.
Korea is actually well remembered among people that actually pay even a bit of attention to history. the problem is, most people dont even care for history thats as improtant as the american revolution (important in the usa) or WW2. they barely know anything about it. I know a fair bit about it as my grandfather was an engineer in the navy and is a korean war bveteran even though he wasnt a combat troop.
arya126
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A worker stops growth while it is built which was a fairly large amount of turns since the city was new and it was only 1 POP.
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Actually the Aegis arn't that powerful, at the moment they are just more organised and while people may not like some things they respect that Whosit has a logical head on his shoulders and has made good decisions when laying out initial war plans during Arya's Administration. I'll post my personal vote tally again so people can see.
I'm reading "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene. A nice little listing of all the Machiavelli philosphies summed up in a few laws with examples from history, both modern and ancient.
Personally i think the current strife is a nice example of Law 16;
Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honour
Too much circulation makes the price go down: The more you are seen and heard from, the more common you appear. If you are allready established in a group temporary withdrawel from it will make you all the more talked about, even more admired. You must learn when you leave. Create value through scarcity.
This is the first time a ex-president has instantly tried to run again for office. Some people are thus trying to use that against Arya's new party.
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@Whosit, I've lost the post where you wonder why Arya does something but it's probably that Arya felt sidelined, especially after you started to offer Cull a minister position. But yes there has definatly been some mud-slinging since i left, and i thought with Dom gone that would all be over.
*sigh*
Looks like someone realises the power of history books. I try to make sure to put a disclaimer in them stating they will be biased to my personal view but without an opposing book the other viewpoints will be lost in the back posts. I think when we passed the 3000# post mark we lost any chance of someone slowly reading through it themselves (am i wrong newcomers?)
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MathNerd, Cull - 2 hours. I leave for 2 hours to build a better Jurassic Park and Stingray's practically been run out of this thread on a rail by you two. 2 hours.
Would it kill you to just be a little nicer and maybe get him in PM contact with me to EXPLAIN the rules to him??
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Sorry things didn't work out Stingray. If you are still here and want to participate you can join the monks untill you get your post count up and learn the political moves. I don't mind how my monks vote as i'm mainly neutral myself.
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Right i'm going to grab my updated list then look through my PMs
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