Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Takhisis]

Posting from a phone? fFoS: remake20

 

[Jarrema]

I think Al Sipclair is the best target. I have nothing to add

 

[landlubber]

IF, what exactly is your case on me? You mentioned two possibilities earlier on: that I was either a revenge seeker, or that I was teamed with Jarrema or choxorn.

Your theory that I was a revenge-seeker was based primarily on this post:

Getting a town vibe from Winston, good work with that analysis. I'd have a look at some of the "where's Winston" crowd, especially Luizeu (whose prodding of Winston seemed OMGUS-y) and Cuthillius (who accused 4 people in one post without really substantiating any of those arguments). It seems probable that one or more of that crowd called on Winston to sound townie without actually having to use any real townie logic beyond that.

Luizeu for now.

which you interpreted as:

Distancing gone wrong? Jarrema had three votes, I had two and Luizeu had none when you made it.

It's apparent now, though, that I'm totally unaffiliated with both Cuth and Luizeu. No more of their kind left.

You spent more time on the revenge seeker hypothesis than on the Jarrema/choxorn one, but from what I can tell, it's based mostly on the fact that I voted for Jarrema a few days in a row and choxorn defended me D2. Surely you've got to have more than that, right? Otherwise, this seems like tunneling.

My top two for today are Jarrema and King Morgan. Jarrema's insistence that there aren't two scum teams rings serious alarm bells for me, and KM's posts seem wandering. They sound like they're crafted specifically to sound unsure.
I'm divided on Al Sips. His ability could belong to a scum/third party, but his behavior isn't registering as scum for me.
More or less, I've got most other people as leaning town.

 

[Internet Flea]

You spent more time on the revenge seeker hypothesis than on the Jarrema/choxorn one, but from what I can tell, it's based mostly on the fact that I voted for Jarrema a few days in a row and choxorn defended me D2. Surely you've got to have more than that, right? Otherwise, this seems like tunneling.

Those connections are still unexplained. You voted spaceman after he claimed alignment cop. You focused yesterday's arguments on the weaker case I made. If you flip wolf, there are more leads to follow than if anybody else does.

Also Jarrema was scried as a specific role by a wolf team that's been wiped out, and he hasn't contradicted it, so your current argument has to be that he was working with them, which doesn't make sense with spaceman tunneling him.

 

[landlubber]

Those connections are still unexplained.

I voted Jarrema for a few days because I thought he was scummiest until the revenge seekers started jumping out at me. Choxorn defended me because I wasn't scummy. Is that not a satisfactory explanation?

You voted spaceman after he claimed alignment cop.

Well, yeah, but he was also scum. I wouldn't have voted for him if I thought he was just a town power role. I'd like to think I'm craftier than that.

You focused yesterday's arguments on the weaker case I made.

Because you yourself elaborated more on the "weaker" case.

If you flip wolf, there are more leads to follow than if anybody else does.

I can agree with you on this one, but I'm not scum and I have no reason to think choxorn is. That's why my vote is on Jarrema.

Also Jarrema was scried as a specific role by a wolf team that's been wiped out, and he hasn't contradicted it, so your current argument has to be that he was working with them, which doesn't make sense with spaceman tunneling him.

I'm not saying that I think Jarrema was working with the revenge seekers, I'm saying that Jarrema's the scummiest of the currently living players. Spaceman wanted to demonstrate his ability for the sake of appearing townie. Jarrema wanted to be cleared, so he didn't question it. This situation works even if both are scum but they never communicated and are on different teams.

 

[Internet Flea]

I voted Jarrema for a few days because I thought he was scummiest until the revenge seekers started jumping out at me. Choxorn defended me because I wasn't scummy. Is that not a satisfactory explanation?

Not particularly.

Because you yourself elaborated more on the "weaker" case.

I elaborated on what people questioned.

I'm not saying that I think Jarrema was working with the revenge seekers, I'm saying that Jarrema's the scummiest of the currently living players. Spaceman wanted to demonstrate his ability for the sake of appearing townie. Jarrema wanted to be cleared, so he didn't question it. This situation works even if both are scum but they never communicated and are on different teams.

Cuthilius and spaceman both specified he was Talia Garret, vanillager, and then spaceman pushed to lynch him anyway. It doesn't make sense that they both would say that unless either the scry was accurate, or Jarrema was working with them. Otherwise Jarrema just says "no I'm not" and Cuth and space get lynched.

 

[landlubber]

Not particularly.

What's still bothering you about it?

I elaborated on what people questioned.

Fair enough, I guess.

Cuthilius and spaceman both specified he was Talia Garret, vanillager, and then spaceman pushed to lynch him anyway. It doesn't make sense that they both would say that unless either the scry was accurate, or Jarrema was working with them. Otherwise Jarrema just says "no I'm not" and Cuth and space get lynched.

I think the fact that spaceman pushed to lynch someone he "confirmed" as vanilla tells us that something's off with Jarrema. There's a reason that spaceman wanted to confirm Jarrema, and there's also a reason he wanted Jarrema lynched. I don't fully understand spaceman's strategy, but I'm comfortable lynching Jarrema, because something's still off there.

This, however, raises another question. If I understand you right, you're ruling out Jarrema as scum (you've said that you don't think he was working with the scum, now you're saying the scan had to be accurate) which throws into question your argument that my flip would yield information. Is choxorn my only potential partner? The link between me and choxorn is as follows: choxorn doesn't think that I'm scum. That's it. What else are you seeing there?

 

[Internet Flea]

Choxorn's said nothing about it, for one. He's also the vote that saved your life on Day 1 and the vote that saved Al Sipsclar's yesterday (failing to mention the possibility of an Al Sipsclar lynch when he first said he would vote for spaceman) and is therefore independently suspect.

Assuming I'm right about Jarrema, lynching you still tells us a litte bit about Double A, Al Sipsclar and Autolycus, and a good bit about remake20, choxorn, and anyone who...

...

...holy crap, am I the only person left alive who voted for Majiffy?

 

[landlubber]

You essentially just named everyone I've ever put pressure on and anyone who's interacted with me meaningfully. Lynching anyone would give us that kind of information. You'll have to do better than that.

I know that it's unavoidable that you think of me and Majiffy as the same player, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time acknowledging him. I loathed him just as much as everyone else. Yeah, you're the last one alive who voted for Majiffy, but that's not exactly a smoking gun. The killer either made those choices to frame me or it's just a coincidence. Kill logic is too WIFOM-y to rely on.

 

[Internet Flea]

Lynching anyone would give us that kind of information.

Yes it would. Which player would you say gives more of that kind of information than you?

 

[landlubber]

Yes it would. Which player would you say gives more of that kind of information than you?

I think lynching any player that's been reasonably active would give information, so not everyone. My vote isn't based on who would give us information, though. My vote is based on who I think is scum. Your argument has been whittled down to, "Eh, even if I'm wrong, it wouldn't hurt." There's not a lot of scum left, so we have room for error, but do you even think I'm scum anymore?

 

[Internet Flea]

There's not a lot of scum left, so we have room for error, but do you even think I'm scum anymore?

I think you and choxorn are the most likely people to be in a scum team. If you aren't, then there's probably just a serial killer left and I'll have to go off straight reads, which I have on pretty much everybody, and it's just going to be a pain. But if you are, then you need to die very soon because I don't know if anyone still alive is going to argue with you guys once I'm dead.

 

[choxorn]

Choxorn's said nothing about it, for one. He's also the vote that saved your life on Day 1 and the vote that saved Al Sipsclar's yesterday (failing to mention the possibility of an Al Sipsclar lynch when he first said he would vote for spaceman) and is therefore independently suspect.

When I first mentioned my suspicions of Jarrema and spaceman, the votes were scattered everywhere, and I later explicitly said I thought spaceman was scummier than Al. What are you getting at?

 

[Internet Flea]

I'll vote for Jarrema for now, but I'll switch to spaceman if it's between him, remake, and Double A, he's clearly the best lynch out of those three.

Al had more votes than remake at that point.

 

[choxorn]

Only one more. I hadn't noticed at the time that almost everyone voting for remake had unvoted him and I thought there were still 2 or 3 votes on him, which is my bad, I suppose.

 

[Al Sipsclar]

I'm not a polymorph. In fact, Newyn was right when he thought I'm some kind of god. I'm one of them "anthropomorphic personifications".

But don't fear me (incidentally, we need MORE COWBELL!).


Link to video.

 

[choxorn]

A god? Are you actually the inquisitor like people have been suggesting since Snerk died?

 

[Al Sipsclar]

Nope, I'm a more mainstream character. The post above was my roleclaim.

 

[remake20]

So the rules mention mechanics for role claiming so I can only assume al is trying to do something by claiming. Hopefully we can see what it is. If there's nothing from Visor, I can only assume this is some sort of evil ability. There is no way a town role has this many abilities, especially with the main character gone (if I understand the show correctly).

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[remake20]

Also, why such a vague claim? If you're trying to prove yourself as townie (which I assume, given the pressure on you), saying you're a "god" isn't helping you one stinking bit. I think this just furthers the case that you are trying to activate a mechanic. Oh, and the fact that you had to mention you roleclaimed.

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