skaz, if you have a saved game that uses RnR and the DLL components that crashes when you exit (or do some other collection of steps) send it to me and I'll see if I can reproduce the behavior with your save. ------------------ Chrisbburn, it should be possible to use both the mod, the exact steps you have to take depend on which mod's Patronage policies you want to play with. If you want to play with city-state diplomacy's Patronage tree than you will need to disable the changes RnR makes to Patronage. If you want to play with RnR's version of Patronage than you will need to disable the changes city-state-diplomacy makes to the Patronage policy. That shouldn't be hard but I would need to take a quick look at the mod to say what the exact steps would be.