Religion Mod

[Plotinus]

As far as I know, the various Orthodox churches don't share Catholic teaching on contraception. On the other hand, they are typically opposed to the idea of evolution, unlike the Catholic Church.

However, all this is very OT, so please keep discussion here related to the mod, if you would...

 

[bd41094]

Where are the scientologists? Those loons should be barbs or something

maybe there could be a king barb unit: Tom Cruise

 

[Lord Malbeth]

As far as I know, the various Orthodox churches don't share Catholic teaching on contraception. On the other hand, they are typically opposed to the idea of evolution, unlike the Catholic Church.

However, all this is very OT, so please keep discussion here related to the mod, if you would...

Our old priest said that when he went to Rome, there was a friendly competetion between the Orthodox and the catholic priests/viewpoints.

OK, back to the mod, any suggestions?

 

[Onza]

Hello.
This is an interesting thread and a very good idea of modding. So, I'll put in a handfull of my own remarks too:

1. To the one who spoke about Judaim in Eastern Europe. - There are far less Jews in Russia and Eastern Europe nowadays than in EU, or US, or even Israil. And those who still reside in our countries are MUCH less religious than the Jews from western Europe or America. Thus, the Judaists sensu stricto are a minority here to say the least. As far as I know, even the new-age krishnaistic sects are more numerous in Russia than the Jidaism-belivers. The Jews play very prominent role in to-day's Russia because they hold most of financial power in my country and also abroad and they strive frantically to reach high social positions, displacing, together with muslims, the ethnic Russians from most of high-status and much-power places in our society, but in quantitative terms they are few.
As far as history is concerned - the Judaism has always been a strictly ethnic-oriented religion. It is stroungly doubtfull that the Romans converted to Judaism in any substantial numbers, because the traditional Jewish society would discourage such attemts. The only historical example of non-Jew Judaistic state that I know of - is the Khazar kaganat, the nomadic empire that resided around the Northern coast of the Black sea in the second half of the first millenium A.D. It was a pretty strong and rich "state" with rather high standrds of living (as compared to other nomadic societies of the time) but it was absolutely plain and ordinary in all respects except that they converted to Judaism. To-day there is a very small ethnic group of the Karaim people living in the Crimea peninsula that call themselves "descendants of the Khazars" and some of them probably still profess Judaism. But that's about all.
So as I see it, the Judaism can only be attributed to just one Civ in the Civillization - the Israil.

2. About Orthodox Christianity and contraceptives - the Church oppose it and no Orthodox priest is allowed to use condoms as far as I know, but they are MUCH more tolerant towards the laity. In general the Orthodox are way more conservative in their ideology and worldview (that's why many of them do not accept the idea of evolution, even though I personally - an Orthodox Christian and strong evolutionist at the same time).
But, generally the Orthodox Christians are way more peaceful and tend to avoid imposing each own viewpoints on other people - so of course they do not make much fuss...

3. About the mod itself - I used to use the "government type" option to make a Cive to chose a certain type of religion in game in my own mods. Unfortunately it does not work satisfactorily due to limitations of political development of a Civ under such conditions.

Probably, the 7 basic Civ preferations are much better even though they are limited in numbers.

As for the religions - in the case you want to divide the Christianity into three main sects than you even more strictly have not only include Buddhism into the game as a separate religion but also devide it into AT LEAST two majour groups

a) - the T'herawada Buddhism (or the so called Early or Philosophical Buddhism) that was initiated by the Buddha Gautama Himself and spread all over India and South-East Asia. (Later in India Buddhism was crushed by the Hinduism Restoration in the first millenium A.D. and now this country has almost no White Buddhists at all).

b) - the Mahayana Buddhism (or the so called later or Religious or ritualistic Buddhism) that developed on the basis of T'herawada in the beginning of A.D. in the Northern East Asia - in China. and then the Mahayanic version, acceptable to the north Asians was brought from China to all surrounding lands - Japan, Korea, Tibet (!!!), Vietnam and several extinct nations of Manzhuria and Eastern Turkestan (to the North-North-East and to the North-West of China respectively).

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Also if you divide Christianity, you have to divide islam into its two majour currents - the Sunni and the Shiyee. Those warred with each other and hated each other no less than the Catholics hated us, the Orthodox, and vise versa.

As for the countries of politeism - technically, the Hinduism is just one version of the world-wide phenomenon of politeistic religions, so it fits to this identification. Just like the pre-Christian Greeks. But the Hindu culture is so special and colourful and so much unlike many other politeistic cultures (which are often really evil and blood-thirsty like those of the Ancient Assyria or the Mesoamerican blood cults) that the Hinduism, in my view, is well worthy its own flag.
The East-Asian cultures like China, Japan and Korea are definetily the example of civilized politeism. They can not be ascribed to any single religion since there is a stable complex of religions (usually three) confessed by the same person in different situations.

The Tibet, the Mongols and the Vietnam - are definite Mahayana buddist states (the Tibetan/Mongolian Lamaism is and offspring of early Mahayana).

The other S-SEA coutnries - Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodja and Sri-Lanka - are the only still existing countries of the philosophical T'herawada Buddhism...

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Also if you divide Christianity, you have to divide islam into its two majour currents - the Sunni and the Shiyee. Those warred with each other and hated each other no less than the Catholics hated us, the Orthodox, and vise versa.

I don't ever recall the Catholics or Orthodox blowing each other to pieces.

Plus, the Sunni are a minority compared to the Shi'ites, whereas there are a good amounts of Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. There are more Christians than any other relgion.

 

[Plotinus]

I don't ever recall the Catholics or Orthodox blowing each other to pieces.

Why do you think the Russians remember Alexander Nevsky...?

 

[Bluemofia]

Catholicism, Protestant, Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Polytheism.

Well... Instead of 3 branches of Christianity, why not just make it only the standard Christianity, and use the other 2 for Hinduism and Buddhism, add Zorasterism, and change Polytheism into Paganism?

Because IMO, 3 branches for Christianity is excessive, and they aren't even that different really. Just minor details, but they all believe that Christ was the divine son of god.

Sure, it looks like the Civ IV system of religions for what I'm proposing, but I think that Taoism and Confucianism are more of political ideologies than true religions.

As for Atheism: Just don't build any of those temples/mosques/synagogues/whatever.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Because IMO, 3 branches for Christianity is excessive, and they aren't even that different really. Just minor details, but they all believe that Christ was the divine son of god.

They are actually quite different, enough to kill each other over (but not blow each other up ) There are more Christians than Hindu's, or Zorasterism.

 

[Bluemofia]

But I think that they have less differences than Hinduism and Buddhism. Or Greek Mythology and Norse Mythology. You kind of grouped them all togeather.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Once again, there is only one country in the world that largely still is Hindu and one country in the world that largely still is Buddhist, whereas a majoity of the civs are Chirstians, or Muslim, and plus I couldn't add Greek, Roman, Norse, Germanic, African, Mesoamerican, American, Australian, African, Celtic, Pictish, Dannish, Welsh, Irish, Aryan, Babylonian, Egyptian, etc Mythology.

 

[Bluemofia]

So? But in the past, there are more than 1 region with those religions as the major religions, and the religions were in really major powers back then.

And largely Buddhist nations: Bhutan, Burma, Cambodia, China (though officially Atheist), Japan (combined with Shinto), North Korea, South Korea, Laos, Mongolia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam.

And largely Hindu nations: India, Mauritius, Nepal, and Suriname.

World: Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36% (2004 est.)

Still more Hindus than Orthodox and Protestants combined, more Buddhists than Orthodox or Protestant. (CIA World factbook)

 

[Onza]

Once again....one country in the world that largely still is Buddhist.

You must be joking? Re-read the previous post. ALL of the South-East Asia are truly Buddhist. Tibet and Mongolia.

And nominally - even China, Japan and Korea are also graded as Buddhist countries even though it's hardly so. But still - Next to One Third of the world population!

The Hindu - 900 millions in just one India.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

All of South-East Asia isn't in the game! I'm not arguing that there are more Chirstians than Hinuds, I'm arguing there are more Chirstians than Hinuds in the game.

 

[Bluemofia]

Then why include Judaism by that logic? Because there are no Jewish Civs in the game unless if it's modded in.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

That's true. I'm going to change it to Zorasterism.

 

[Taras Bulba]

Plus, the Sunni are a minority compared to the Shi'ites, whereas there are a good amounts of Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. There are more Christians than any other relgion.

This may seem rather insignificant, but actually, there are more Sunni muslims than Shia. In fact, taken as a whole, Sunni Islam is the world's second largest religion. Shia are just the majority in Iraq and Iran (and a couple other middle eastern nations), and they are the ones that dominate the news, sending the false impression that they represent the whole middle eastern world. And though there are more Christians than any other religion, they are, perhaps, the most divided of them all. There are far fewer sects of Islam.

And as for the mod pack, here is my proposal: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Paganism, Hinduism, Atheistic, and perhaps Roman Catholic. Rather than Catholicism being a separate entity, it could be replaced with another Pagan-type religion, but I am not familiar enough with Paganism to give any suggestions.

These may not be the all of the most dominant, or "important" world religions, but I believe these are best representative of the civilizations at hand. Note Judaism, an important religion in terms of its impact (spawning the world's two largest religions, Christianity and Islam) was excluded simply because it is not a dominant religion in any of the provided civilizations.

There are other flaws of course, but I just look to the leader of the particular nation to determine the religion. Rome, for example, started pagan, but by its collapse had embraced Christianity. However, during the reign of Julius Caesar, Christianity didn't even exist, thus I would label it pagan. Same with Mao of the Chinese. There is no doubt Buddhism and Christianity had their respective impacts on those civilizations, but it breeds too much controversy to go into which has had a more perservering impact and which is more important in today's terms.

 

[LtRasczak]

If you look at Europa Universalis they have done an excellent job of modeling religion in the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Universalis

You have a religious tolleration slider, and that effects your relationship with other countires that have a particular religion. You tollerate Orthodox Christianity and Russia likes you, you are intollerant of Islam and you have a hard time getting along with Egypt.

Conversion from Catholicisim to Protestantisim is a big decision, you get $$$ from taking Church lands, but half your people hate you and you can get civil wars and rebelions. However the Protestant Work Ethic kicks in and your people become more industrious.

I'd recomend checking it out. I included a link to the Wikipedia site

 

[cometflash]

This mod gives you the oppurtunity to build a religion in each of your cities. Religion is symbolized by improvements, which will replace each other if they are in the same city, (like factories). The religions are Catholicism, Protestant, Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Polytheism. Each Civ is programmed to pick the one they are famously known for (via Flavors). Have fun.

NOTE: It's a .rar in a .zip

For which vergion of civ, is this mod for?

Thank you in advance.

 

[Virote_Considon]

Conquests.

 

[bd41094]

This mod gives you the oppurtunity to build a religion in each of your cities. Religion is symbolized by improvements, which will replace each other if they are in the same city, (like factories). The religions are Catholicism, Protestant, Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Polytheism. Each Civ is programmed to pick the one they are famously known for (via Flavors). Have fun.

NOTE: It's a .rar in a .zip

Wow, neat Idea! Might have to give this one a try