Religion Mod

Guildenstern's ideas seem the most sensible here for a while. However, I would dispute his division of Christianity. Mormonism is ridiculously minor to include if you're missing out Ethiopian Orthodox and the Church of the East. Remember, there are three great branches of Christianity - Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern - including those Eastern churches that are technically not Orthodox (Coptic, Ethiopian, Nestorian). Mormonism is also a lot less important than Anglicanism, if you're going to have different representatives for all the Protestants. I would also suggest Jewish Christianity, since this, not Greek Orthodoxy, was actually the first version of Christianity. And also the AICs, which in some ways may be the future of Christianity. I would also vote to add the Kakure Kiri****an, not because they're important but because I like them!

I might add to ImpressEmpress that Theodora wasn't "orthodox" at all, but a Monophysite, and Justinian was of course an Aphthartodocetist, at least at the end of his life... time to add the Copts!

Incidentally, atheism does not mean disbelieving in the supernatural. It means not believing in God. You could, in theory, believe in supernatural things, but not God. An example would be the philosophy of John McTaggart in the early twentieth century. Moreover, it is wrong to oppose atheism to "religion". Atheism is opposed to theism, and religion need not be theistic. For example, Theravada Buddhism is generally accepted as a religion, but it does not involve belief in God or gods. Westerners always get hung up on this. The theism/atheism dichotomy is a feature of Western thought, and Asian belief systems do not fit into it - for example, Hinduism is certainly not atheistic, but it's hardly theistic in the usual sense of the word. Westerners tend, erroneously, to suppose that religion is always about God, and if you believe in God you are religious - whereas in fact belief in God is simply one aspect of some religions.

So I think it's wrong to have atheists as the barbarians in this mod, because atheists are not necessarily irreligious, and religious people are not necessarily theists. You should have barbarians as simply secularists, or unbelievers.
 
It sounds like the making of a very interesting mod. :) I had to chuckle at the thought of Atheists being barbarians in the game., as they're not viewed as a religion.

Are you aware that religion actually means a system of worship surrounding a person, thing, idea or God? With this in mind, I'd certainly call Atheism a religion as this is how some appear to practice it. BTW, I don't consider all atheists to be amoral.

I definitely like to recommend the grouping of religions by cultural groups as someone mentioned earlier. I believe it went like this:

Middle Eastern Culture:
Jews
****e Muslims
Sunni Muslims
Coptic Christians

Western (European) Culture
Catholic
Protestants
Orthodox (Russians)
Orthodox (Greeks)

American Culture:
American Catholics
American Protestant

Asian Culture:
Buddhists
Hindu

Please note that American version of Christianity seems to be different than those of its European counterparts.
 
dood...you made a Mormon Civ? Rock on!
I too can help with UUs (may I suggest the pioneer, a settler that can attack and defend?), city names, leaders, etc.
DId you just rename the civs, or actually give them traits and such?
 
If I could add to the spam I would say that It should be divided into

Mediterranean Culture
Greek Orthodox
Catholicism
Coptic
Protestantism


American Culture (aka the pagans)
Norse mythology
Roman/Greek mythology
Egyptian Mythology
Shamanism
Zoroastriianism (cause it is more or less extinct... cept in Mumbai I suppose)
Druidism


European Culture
Agnostism
Atheism
Satanism
Materialism(Believer of the Sciences solely)


Middle Eastern Culture
Judaism
Sunni Islam
12er Shi' Islam
7er Shi' Islam
(perhaps even 5er Shi' Islam, with alamut as it's capital... hehe, assassins)
Hinduism (cause i considder the city look of the Middle east to fit india more that the Far eastern look)

Far Eastern Culture
Taoism
Shintoism (perhaps that's the same as taoism, my knowledge of Eastern Asia is sadly limited)
Buddhism
Janaism


pehaps something of this order

jonte
 
Anybody ever play Europa Universalis? It has a state religion for each nation. It's my understanding that religion will be a part of Civ 4.
 
anonymous4401 said:
Yeah. It's quite possible to have democracy and religion. Early America is a prime example. Now that the anti-religious folks have settled in, trying to remove God from every facet of American life, it is no longer so. :(



Ha ha ha. Of course, "In God We Trust" isnt on money, almost all of our presidents have been Protestants, and there are bible-burnings on every street corner. Oh please.
 
Quasar1011 said:
Anybody ever play Europa Universalis? It has a state religion for each nation. It's my understanding that religion will be a part of Civ 4.
EU1 is no good, but Ive played EU2. I hope that CIV4 will have something like that.
 
I hate to bug you but I am a Jehovah's Witness and I know tons I think that they should be included in this mod. And I'm no expert on religions but I do think that the Atheists should be the Barbarians it just fits this mod. But it's just my opinion.
 
First off I think this is a great idea for a mod and will be watching for updates.

I think some people automatically think that if someonw believes in God, they are religious. This is most certainly not the case.
I am a Christian, but I have no religion. My belief is a relationship, NOT a religion. I believe that God created the earth, and that he sent his son Jesus to save us from destruction and to have a presonal relationship with us.
My faith and belief is all about the relationship with God and serving him all my life.
Religion is a set of beliefs and traditions with many rules and regulation set out in stone. Those familiar with biblical themes around thetime Jesus had his ministry will know about the Pharisses, Saducess, etc. They were waiting for the Messiah, Jesus, but were so wrapped up in their own traditions that they didn't recognise the one they were waiting for. Their religion set out exactly what and who the messiah was supposed to be.

I don't mean to preach or anything if that's how it appears, I just want to dispel the myth that a believer is religious.

BTW my take on Satanism is that there are different types. Some, as was mentioned before, don't refer to the christian concept of Satan as the Devil.
There are those, however, who do worship Satan the Devil. I don't know what to call these different groups, however. But what is interesting is that the names of Satan listed in the Satanists Bible are all taken out of the Bible.
 
I know this is clearly bumping an old thread. But I am surprised this mod stoped developement and I would like to see it continue

And Duke, I beleive that an agnostic is someone who believes there is a god or some all powerful forces. But believes there can be no proof that one actually exists. Now according to this mod that would make them more "Civilized" than the atheists who don't beleive there is a god.

And as for the barbarians since this is a religious mod. Should be named after something that means no religion because

religion:
Noun
1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

so there can really be no barbarians because the beleif there is no god is still a beleif and there for does not qualify it to be a barbarian.
 
is the link still up?

if so, Funky2882, why dont you download it, and get modding etc yourself?
 
I'm lazy, and even if I wasn't so lazy. I don't have the time anyway.
 
Funky, an "agnostic" is someone who doesn't know whether there is a God or not. The word comes from the Greek for "not knowing". Of course, technically *no-one* really *knows* whether there is a God or not, so the word normally refers to those who are not sure, that is, they believe there may be a God or there may not. Most people who believe in God (these days) think that God's existence cannot be proved. In fact this is generally accepted today as a given, even though this view is a relatively recent development and is condemned by the First Vatican Council, so a good Roman Catholic should tell you that not only does God exist but this fact can be proved.

Similarly, I fear the dictionary where you found the definition of "religion" is quite mistaken. It was evidently written by somone who only knows about modern Western religion. It would not include Buddhism; neither would it include the monotheism of Aristotled (who believed that the world was eternal and therefore not created). Scholars of religion spend much time today arguing about how religion should best be defined, but they all agree that it cannot be summed up in such a simplistic way.
 
Pi Seti said:
Also Mormons, Methodists, Baptists and Jehova's Witnesses are American derivatives of European Protestants.

Actually, Mormonism is not a branch of Protestantism. Protestantism is an offshoot from Catholicism, saying that the Catholics had gone wrong somewhere between 34 AD and 1500 AD and needed to be reformed.

Mormons believe that priesthood authority was lost with the deaths of the apostles, and that Christianity was in a state of general apostasy, having lost the priesthood authority in the first centuries A.D.

Mormonism claims to be a restoration church, rather than a Protestant or reformation church. Here is a link to the Mormon's website, stating their relationship to the Protestant Reformation:

http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/answer/0,9777,1601-1-57-16,00.html

It includes links explaining their position on apostacy and restoration as well.

EDIT: Plotinus illustrates unwittingly the need for a restoration. Much of Christianity has lost sight of the basic truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, such as the divinity of Jesus, the need for a savior, and the reality of his resurrection. His statements about whether God's existence can be known illustrates the need for modern-day prophets and apostles who have direct communication with God. The biblical accounts of people experiencing God directly illustrate this pattern: God does not show himself to the masses of humanity or provide widespread proof of his existence. Rather, he reserves this experience for chosen servants who are then given the charge to share his message with the rest of the world. Biblically, these people are known as prophets and apostles. The Mormon church teaches that God continues to call prophets and apostles today.
 
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