religons and civilizations

[jjake101]

Could someone help match up all the religions in C2C with the correct civilization?

 

[JosEPh_II]

As far as I can remember there is no correct civ for the religions in C2C. Especially since the way your Civ gains it's cultural identity in C2C is totally different than vanilla BtS.

It used to be that certain Leaders had a religious preference, but even that has been changes somewhat with the New Trait system for Leaders.

JosEPh

 

[Gall Anonim]

In my current game Tibet has converted to Buddhism as soon as their first city has, so I guess there is such a preference.

 

[draz]

As far as I can remember there is no correct civ for the religions in C2C. Especially since the way your Civ gains it's cultural identity in C2C is totally different than vanilla BtS.

It used to be that certain Leaders had a religious preference, but even that has been changes somewhat with the New Trait system for Leaders.

JosEPh

But isn't <FavoriteReligion> completely separate from traits?

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Each leader has a favorite religion and will get that religion in their capital when it is founded by some other player.

The only problem at the moment is what happens if someone turns off the optional religion that is the leader's favorite religion.

 

[Thunderbrd]

It used to be that certain Leaders had a religious preference, but even that has been changes somewhat with the New Trait system for Leaders.

JosEPh

The trait changes have not impacted this in any way. There are probably some adjustments coming but the favorite religion still exists and will go unchanged for the most part. And the leader flavors haven't been changed at all yet but they could be due for some review.

 

[strategyonly]

Each leader has a favorite religion and will get that religion in their capital when it is founded by some other player.

Not solely true, a few (Custom Civ) leaders have NONE listed for Fav religion or Civics??

 

[JosEPh_II]

The trait changes have not impacted this in any way. There are probably some adjustments coming but the favorite religion still exists and will go unchanged for the most part. And the leader flavors haven't been changed at all yet but they could be due for some review.

I did say "somewhat" as not all the New leaders, as SO pointed out, have a Fav Religion.

But the Main question was "What Religion and Civ matched up". And the point is they really don't, not like vanilla BtS. Leaders 'May" have a Fav religion, but then again many of the New ones added over the last 2+ years do not. But a Leader may Not match up anymore with it's Old Civ. Why? Because C2C's Nationality/Culture is done a completely different way, ala Hydro.

So now that 3 Modders have chimed in, which one can give a Match Up like the OP wanted?

JosEPh

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Current leaders by favorite religion

Spoiler :

Type FavoriteReligion
LEADER_ABUBAKR RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_AFONSO RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_ATOTOZTLI RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_BASIL RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CALIGULA RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_CETSHWAYO NONE
LEADER_CHARLES_V RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CLEOPATRA NONE
LEADER_DE_WITT RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_DIDO RELIGION_MESO
LEADER_FRANCO RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_HADRIAN RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_HARUN RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_HTN NONE
LEADER_HENRY_VIII RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_HIAWATHA RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_HIROHITO RELIGION_SHINTO
LEADER_HITLER NONE
LEADER_ITZCOATL RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_IVAN NONE
LEADER_JAYAVARMAN RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_JOANOFARC RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_KIM NONE
LEADER_LENIN NONE
LEADER_LEONIDAS RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_LOGAN RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_MEIJI RELIGION_SHINTO
LEADER_NEBUCHADREZZAR NONE
LEADER_NEFERTITI RELIGION_EGYPT_MYTHOLOGY
LEADER_PACHACUTI RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_PHILIP_II RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_RICHELIEU RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SEJONG RELIGION_CONFUCIANISM
LEADER_SENNACHERIB NONE
LEADER_SMOKE_JAGUAR RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SMOKE_JAGUAR RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_TAIZONG RELIGION_CONFUCIANISM
LEADER_THEODORA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_VARGAS RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_WILHELMINA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_WU RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_YAGAN NONE
LEADER_YUNUPINGU NONE
LEADER_SHAKUSHAIN NONE
LEADER_COCHISE RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_GOYATHLAY RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_PEDRO_II NONE
LEADER_JEAN NONE
LEADER_MACKENZIEKING NONE
LEADER_MACDONALD NONE
LEADER_PEARSON NONE
LEADER_TRUDEAU NONE
LEADER_OSTENACO RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_OSTENACO RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_MOBUTU NONE
LEADER_NIMI NONE
LEADER_NARBONA NONE
LEADER_ALARIC RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_ATTILA NONE
LEADER_BEN_GURION RELIGION_JUDAISM
LEADER_DAVID RELIGION_JUDAISM
LEADER_SOLOMON RELIGION_JUDAISM
LEADER_GARIBALDI RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_LORENZO RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_MUSSOLINI NONE
LEADER_VITTORIO_EMANUELE_II NONE
LEADER_CHIEF_HEAD_HUNTER NONE
LEADER_CHIEF_SLEEPY_EYE RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_LITTLE_CROW RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_NAMPOINA NONE
LEADER_HEKE NONE
LEADER_CARDENAS RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_HIDALGO RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_JUAREZ RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SANTA_ANNA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_LAPU NONE
LEADER_MARCOS NONE
LEADER_HIRAM NONE
LEADER_ANNEBONNY NONE
LEADER_HENRY_MORGAN NONE
LEADER_PAULLY NONE
LEADER_CASIMIR NONE
LEADER_SOBIESKI NONE
LEADER_WALESA NONE
LEADER_KAMEHAMEHA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_KAMEHAMEHA RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_SALAMASINA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SALAMASINA RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_SONGTSEN RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_CUNHAMBEBE NONE
LEADER_NAKASUK NONE
LEADER_SHAYBANI RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_MODU NONE
LEADER_YU RELIGION_TAOISM
LEADER_BARBARIAN NONE
LEADER_ALEXANDER RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_ASOKA RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_AUGUSTUS RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_BISMARCK RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_BOUDICA RELIGION_DRUID
LEADER_BRENNUS RELIGION_DRUID
LEADER_CATHERINE RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CHARLEMAGNE RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CHURCHILL RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CYRUS RELIGION_ZOROASTRIANISM
LEADER_DARIUS RELIGION_ZOROASTRIANISM
LEADER_DE_GAULLE RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_ELIZABETH RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_FREDERICK RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_GANDHI RELIGION_HINDUISM
LEADER_GENGHIS_KHAN RELIGION_TENGRIISM
LEADER_GILGAMESH RELIGION_MESO
LEADER_HAMMURABI RELIGION_ZOROASTRIANISM
LEADER_HANNIBAL RELIGION_MESO
LEADER_HATSHEPSUT RELIGION_EGYPT_MYTHOLOGY
LEADER_HUAYNA_CAPAC RELIGION_ANDEAN
LEADER_ISABELLA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_JOAO RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_JULIUS_CAESAR RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_JUSTINIAN RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_KUBLAI_KHAN RELIGION_CONFUCIANISM
LEADER_LINCOLN RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_LOUIS_XIV RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_MANSA_MUSA RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_CHINESE_LEADER NONE
LEADER_MEHMED RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_MONTEZUMA RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_NAPOLEON RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_PACAL RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM
LEADER_PERICLES RELIGION_HELLENISM
LEADER_PETER RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_QIN_SHI_HUANG RELIGION_TAOISM
LEADER_RAMESSES RELIGION_EGYPT_MYTHOLOGY
LEADER_RAGNAR RELIGION_ASATRU
LEADER_FRANKLIN_ROOSEVELT RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SALADIN RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_SHAKA NONE
LEADER_SITTING_BULL RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_STALIN NONE
LEADER_SULEIMAN RELIGION_ISLAM
LEADER_SURYAVARMAN RELIGION_HINDUISM
LEADER_TOKUGAWA RELIGION_SHINTO
LEADER_VICTORIA RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_WANGKON RELIGION_CONFUCIANISM
LEADER_WASHINGTON RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_WILLEM_VAN_ORANJE RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_ZARA_YAQOB RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SUPPI RELIGION_EGYPT_MYTHOLOGY
LEADER_MENELIK RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SELASSIE RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_DEGANAWIDA RELIGION_SHAMAN
LEADER_ASHUR RELIGION_MESO
LEADER_RAMKHAM RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_MONGKUT RELIGION_BUDDHISM
LEADER_MENZIES RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_CURTIN RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_RED_CLOUD RELIGION_SHAMAN

 

[JosEPh_II]

Very Impressive DH! Well Done!

JosEPh

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

I used Koshling's XMLScanner program and then Open Office but OO would not let me sort the data for some reason.

 

[strategyonly]

Very Impressive DH! Well Done!

JosEPh

I must absolutely agree here

See i knew there were quite a few NONE in there. Can you pls put it in a spoiler, thx.

 

[Hydromancerx]

LEADER_PACHACUTI should have RELIGION_ANDEAN because he is an Incan leader. RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM is for civs like the Aztecs and Mayans, not Incans.

Also I think LEADER_GOYATHLAY and LEADER_COCHISE should be RELIGION_SHAMAN.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Agree with Hydro.

I also think we need a North American Indian religion or two in the game. The Cherokee have 'the Way' and there's some Canadian Indians with some interesting views. The Hopi also have a unique belief set. All three seem to have some merit for inclusion but it'd take some more direct research to get appropriate names and details for them.

The Aborigines of Australia also have a profound belief set that could be termed 'Dreamtime'.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

No art then no religion! Simple as that. Plus I have some other priorities at the moment.

 

[Thunderbrd]

I just mean to bring it up so it can be considered on whatever back burner it needs to be placed on.

BTW: I've been thinking that the new Cannanism may need a game focus and the new capture mechanism could well be it. If they bring new building effects that increase the ability to enslave, cannibalize and religiously sacrifice captives, the religion could take on a perfect villainous tone in the game. Again, just something to begin considering.

At this time, now that I've figured out how to properly get setup to do buttons, art would be a 15 minute task per button at most. Just let me know what you need on those.

 

[Hydromancerx]

Agree with Hydro.

I also think we need a North American Indian religion or two in the game. The Cherokee have 'the Way' and there's some Canadian Indians with some interesting views. The Hopi also have a unique belief set. All three seem to have some merit for inclusion but it'd take some more direct research to get appropriate names and details for them.

The Aborigines of Australia also have a profound belief set that could be termed 'Dreamtime'.

Or even the Hawaiian/Polynesian mythology. (ex. Kahuna = Sorcerers, Mana = Chi/Force, Pele = Volcano Spirit, etc)

 

[Thunderbrd]

Some more requested Edits:
LEADER_CLEOPATRA = Kemetism
LEADER_NEBUCHADREZZAR = Mesopotamianism

LEADER_SMOKE_JAGUAR RELIGION_CHRISTIANITY
LEADER_SMOKE_JAGUAR RELIGION_SHAMAN ??? why are there two and where does Christianity play into Smoke Jaguar either way?
LEADER_OSTENACO has two references as well.

LEADER_MOBUTU, LEADER_SHAKA = Yoruba
LEADER_CHIEF_HEAD_HUNTER = Voodoo
LEADER_ATTILA = Tengriism

Deeper analysis would reveal yet more.

 

[Hydromancerx]

It should be ...

LEADER_SMOKE_JAGUAR = RELIGION_MESOAMERICANISM

LEADER_CHIEF_HEAD_HUNTER = Voodoo

Is it? I thought the Head Hunter was Jivaro civ

Jivaro religion usually involves a god and goddess. The Jivaro god, Tsungi, which is the god of shamanism. The Jivaro goddess, Nungui, refers to mother earth. Nungui is described as being a short and large woman, dressed in a black dress. According to Jivaro belief, if Nungui dances in a woman's garden, this will produce a productive garden during the harvest seasons.

Seems like a Shamanistic religion if anything. Not Voodoo which are African in origin and have 3 types; Haitian Vodou, Louisiana Voodoo and West African Vodun. None of which involve the Jivaro or even head hunting as far as I know.

LEADER_MOBUTU, LEADER_SHAKA = Yoruba

Shaka was Zulu which is South African and Yoruba (like Voodoo) is West African. However if we are merging all African tribal regions into one then I guess Cetshwayo would be it too. We seriously need other African religions. The ones we have are ...

- Ngai (East African) = Kamba, Kikuyu and Maasai nationalities of Kenya.

- Yoruba (West African) = Relgion of the Yoruba people. Its homeland is in Southwestern Nigeria and the adjoining parts of Benin and Togo, a region that has come to be known as Yorubaland.

- Voodoo (West African) = It is an indigenous organized religion of coastal West Africa from Togo to Nigeria. Vodun is practised by the Ewe people, Kabye people, Mina people and Fon people of southern and central Togo, southern and central Benin and (under a different name) the Yoruba of southwestern Nigeria.

Some other ones ...

- Casimir = Christianity

 

[Thunderbrd]

I stand corrected. I did make some leaps of research there.

So... who WOULD have voodoo as their primary? Shouldn't somebody?

I very much agree on the extra religions being proposed there. It'd be cool if we had another 7 religions or so but we'd need to come up with a game effect focus for each. The ones that boil out to be pretty much like vanilla religions we have now could also use some more consideration as to what game effects they may bring to the table.