Resource Limit Notice

[Afforess]

With Sephi's Help, I have fixed the limitation with resources! With Beta4 of AND 1.60, you can add as many resources as you want!

That is all, carry on.

After extensive testing, it seems that this fix is only a partial fix. Adding more resources, while it appears to work on the outside, still ruins anything that uses the larger game font icons, namely the city bar. This why Healthiness and Happiness indicators were broken for a while in my beta's.

Sadly, it seems we will ever be able to add any more resources.

We may just have to invent a new way to do some of the things resources did, and remove some redundant or useless resources.. (Ancient Temple, I'm looking at you!)

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Yeah! and other expressions of joy

 

[Supercheese]

Sweeeeeeeet! Now I might make an Automobile modmod, with an Auto factory, Modern Roads, and of course, the Automobile resource.

 

[civ_king]

u gotz skilz!

 

[Civ Fuehrer]

Nice. Now my modmods won't be held back by features represented by resources... that is when and if i ever get around to it...

 

[Hydromancerx]

I demand a wood resource!! Yay! Oh and honey from the apiary!

 

[generalstaff]

Yay! Oh and honey from the apiary!

That is something I am glad of. It will be returned in the next version of EB (granted it will be the AND expansion).

 

[konradcabral]

I demand a wood resource!! Yay! Oh and honey from the apiary!

If new natural resources will be added, I demand soy and chicken, a very old request of mine.

 

[Hydromancerx]

Well with this open I have lots of ideas for resources ...

Gives Resources
Apiary = Honey and Beeswax
Chicken Coop = Poultry, Eggs
Turkey Farm = Poultry
Duck and Goose Farm = Poultry
Cow Farm = Milk
Goat Farm = Milk
Yak Farm = Milk
Butcher = Meat, Lard
Dairy = Cheese, Bottled Milk, Butter
Rendering Plant = Lard
Slaughter House = Meat
Weavers Hut = Textiles
Tailor Shop = Textiles
Lumberjack Camp = Lumber
Carpenter's Workshop = Wood
Furniture Workshop = Furniture
Papermaker's Workshop = Paper
Paper Factory = Paper
Scribe = Tablets, Scrolls, Books
Printer's Workshop = Books
Book Factory = Books
Press Agency = Newspapers

Uses New Resources
Candlemaker's Workshop = Beeswax, Lard
Butcher = Poultry
Dairy = Milk (also Glassware)
Slaughter House = Poultry (also Cow, Pig)
Carpenters Shop = Lumber
Furniture Workshop = Wood
Siege Weapon Workshop = Wood
Treadmill Crane = Wood
Palisade Wall = Lumber
Frontier Outpost = Lumber
Fortified Outpost = Lumber
Wheelwright = Wood
Papermaker's Workshop = Wood
Paper Factory = Wood
Scribe = Paper
Library = Tablet, Scrolls, Books, eBooks
University = Tablet, Scrolls, Books, eBooks
Press Agency = Paper

I will think of some more later but this is a good start.

 

[generalstaff]

Well with this open I have lots of ideas for resources ...

Gives Resources
Weavers Hut = Clothing, Rugs
Tailor Shop = Clothing

I would not be against adding clothing as a resource, mainly since I can borrow some of the graphics from FFH2. However, I would need two things: Uses for Clothing (which is likely going to result in many dependency scripts) and a way to get Clothing into the late modern and future eras since the Tailor Shop is obsolete with Globalization.

(Off hand) Uses for Clothing:
+10% Production of Garrison (Uniforms)
+50% Production of Paramilitary Corps (Uniforms, Ammunition reduced to +50% Production)
Theater (and Theater UBs): +1 Happiness (Costumes)
Opera House: +1 Happiness (Costumes)
Shopping District: +1 Happiness
Chain Store: +5% Commerce

 

[Hydromancerx]

Ah I changed it to textiles instead.

EDIT: I added some more to the list.

 

[civ_king]

I would not be against adding clothing as a resource, mainly since I can borrow some of the graphics from FFH2. However, I would need two things: Uses for Clothing (which is likely going to result in many dependency scripts) and a way to get Clothing into the late modern and future eras since the Tailor Shop is obsolete with Globalization.

(Off hand) Uses for Clothing:
+10% Production of Garrison (Uniforms)
+50% Production of Paramilitary Corps (Uniforms, Ammunition reduced to +50% Production)
Theater (and Theater UBs): +1 Happiness (Costumes)
Opera House: +1 Happiness (Costumes)
Shopping District: +1 Happiness
Chain Store: +5% Commerce

Sweatshops?

@Bottled Milk, Pottery or Glassware?
@

 

[Hydromancerx]

Ok so far I have listed for new resources are ...

- Beeswax
- Books
- Butter
- Cheese
- eBooks
- Eggs
- Furniture
- Honey
- Poultry
- Lard
- Lumber
- Milk (Raw)
- Milk (Bottled)
- Newspapers
- Paper
- Scrolls
- Tablet (Clay or Stone)
- Textiles
- Wood

Some other ideas are ...

- Leather
- Candles (Made from Beeswax or Lard)
- Whale Oil
- Baskets
- Paint
- Plastic
- Plastic Bottles
- Aluminum Cans
- Bottled Water
- Soda (Made from Platic Bottles or Aluminum Cans)
- Toys (Made with Wood, Plastic or Rubber)
- Bronze
- Kevlar
- Electronics
- Vaccines
- Tools (Not sure how specific this should be)
- Automobiles
- Candy
- Flour
- Bread
- Beads

 

[Civ Fuehrer]

For Toys it should require Wood, Plastic, Rubber, Iron and Aluminum as an OR list

 

[civ_king]

- Beeswax (from Apiary
- Books (requires paper)
- Butter (requires raw dairy)
- Cheese (requires butter)
- eBooks (requires Semi-Conducters?)
- Eggs (from coop)
- Furniture (require lumber+textiles)
- Honey (from Apiary)
- Poultry (from coop)
- Lard (from cows)
- Lumber (requires wood OR lumbermill gives it)
- Milk (Raw) (from cows)
- Milk (Bottled) (cows AND [pottery OR glassware OR plastics)
- Newspapers (requires paper)
- Paper (requires wood)
- Scrolls (dunno)
- Tablet (Clay or Stone) (I agree)
- Textiles ([finally a use for] wool OR hemp)
- Wood

Some other ideas are ...

- Leather (feed cows into tannery, get leather)
- Candles (Made from Beeswax or Lard) (I agree)
- Whale Oil (from whales DUH)
- Baskets (wood?)
- Paint (lead or oil?)
- Plastic (oil or ethanol)
- Plastic Bottles (plastic)
- Aluminum Cans (Aluminum)
- Bottled Water (Mountains or river)
- Soda (Made from Platic Bottles or Aluminum Cans) (yep)
- Toys (Made with Wood, Plastic or Rubber) (yes)
- Bronze (copper+tin)
- Kevlar (plastics?)
- Electronics (Semi-Conductors+Plastics maybe?)
- Vaccines (eggs)
- Tools (Not sure how specific this should be)
- Automobiles ([Steel or Aluminum]+Textiles+[Furniture or Plastics])
- Candy (Sugar [maybe we could simulate sugar beets some how?]}
- Flour (wheat or potatoes or rice)
- Bread (flour)
- Beads (pottery or clams or ivory or pearls or plastic or glass or gems?)

additions in blue

 

[Hydromancerx]

I was thinking like this ...

- Aluminum Cans (Req Aluminum from Can Manufacturing)
- Automobiles (Req [Steel or Aluminum]+Textiles+[Furniture or Plastics] from Automobile Factory)
- Baskets (Req Reed from Baskemaker's Hut)
- Beads (Req Pottery or Clams or Ivory or Pearls or Plastic or Glassware or Gems from Beakmaker's Hut)
- Beeswax (From Apiary)
- Books (Req Paper)
- Bottled Milk (Req Raw Milk, Glassware, Plastic Bottle, Pottery from Dairy)
- Bottled Water (Req Platic Bottle, Freshwater from Bottling Factory)
- Bread (Req Flour from Bakery)
- Bronze (Req Copper and Tin from Bronzesmith)
- Butter (Req Raw Milk from Dairy)
- Candles (Req Beeswax or Lard from Candlemaker's Shop)
- Candy (Req Sugar, Honey, Dyes from Candy Factory)
- Cheese (Req Raw Milk at Dairy)
- eBooks (From Book Publisher)
- Eggs (From Chicken Coop)
- Flour (Req Wheat or Corn or Rice from Flour Mill)
- Electronics (Req Semi-Conductors and Plastics from Electronics Manufacturing)
- Furniture (Require Wood + Textiles from Furniture Workshop)
- Honey (From Apiary)
- Kevlar (Req Plastics, Textiles from Kevlar Manufacturing)
- Lard (Req Cows and Pigs from Rendering Plant)
- Leather (From Tannery)
- Lumber (From Lumber Camp or Lumbermill)
- Newspapers (Req Paper, Dye from Press Agency)
- Paint (Req Lead, Dye, or Eggs from A or Paintmaker's Workshop or Paint Factory)
- Paper (Req Wood or Reeds from Papermaker's Hut, Paper Factory)
- Plastic (Req Oil or Ethanol or Chemicals from Plastic Manufacturer)
- Plastic Bottles (Req Plastic from Bottle Factory)
- Poultry (From Chicken Coop)
- Raw Milk (From Cow Farm, Goat Farm or Yak Farm)
- Reeds (From Reed Gatherer's Hut)
- Scrolls (Req Reed from Scribe)
- Soda (Req Plastic Bottle, Aluminum Cans from Soda Factory)
- Tablet (Req Clay or Stone from Scribe)
- Textiles (Req Wool or Hemp or Silk or Fur or Leather or Dye from Weaver's Hut, Taylor, Textiles Factory)
- Toys (Req Wood, Plastic, Rubber, Iron or Aluminum from Toy Maker's Workshop, Toy Factory)
- Tools (Not sure how specific this should be)
- Vaccines (Req Eggs from Vaccine Lab)
- Whale Oil (Req Whale from Rendering Plant)
- Wood (Req Lumber from Carpenter's Workshop)

 

[Afforess]

With new resources, let's try to be creative. Don't give them healthiness or happiness bonuses (unless they really must), come up with a new idea. If I need to add 2, 10 or 100 new XML tags for Resources, so be it. But resources thus far have been pretty much "plain" and "boring" in RoM. Do something original. Invent new modifiers. Because 9/10 times, I can add.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Also think trade. If every civ can produce the resource then there is no need for trade. Having said that a resource like "<insert civ here> pottery" would be a useful trade item egs Greek read/black pottery from the classic era, porcline from China and so on.

Scrolls - vellum (goats/sheep) or papyrus.

Which reminds me I want papyrus, clay (good quality) and linen/flax. Is there enough room on the map?

 

[civ_king]

With new resources, let's try to be creative. Don't give them healthiness or happiness bonuses (unless they really must), come up with a new idea. If I need to add 2, 10 or 100 new XML tags for Resources, so be it. But resources thus far have been pretty much "plain" and "boring" in RoM. Do something original. Invent new modifiers. Because 9/10 times, I can add.

you may have unleashed the floodgates of hell o mighty coder

books- +x% research bonus cumulative +
electronics-+:beakers:cumulative +cumulative (both static not %)
Newspapers- something to show dissemination of propaganda
Kevlar-gives a promotion to all infantry units vs. infantry units

that is all I can think of for now

@Dancing Hoskuld no room unless you are willing to force maps to generate more resources

 

[Afforess]

you may have unleashed the floodgates of hell o mighty coder

Really? I figured after the election mod that the gates were wide open.

books- +x% research bonus cumulative +
electronics-+:beakers:cumulative +cumulative (both static not %)
Newspapers- something to show dissemination of propaganda
Kevlar-gives a promotion to all infantry units vs. infantry units

So cumulative Commerce and Yield changes? I can do that. As for propaganda, maybe a revolutions modifier? Of course, that makes them useless without Revolutions... Hmmm...