Reuters Alters Images Again

[Formaldehyde]

And I am sure the pistols were taken from them the same way.

Obviously. You actually think otherwise? Why don't you think Israel has released video or photos of them having pistols prior to the commandos boarding? And why haven't the Israelis produced a non-commando pistol or a bullet from a non-Israeli weapon?

And I'm also sure there is a quite valid reason why Israel has not released all their raw videotape taken during their clear overreaction and apparent execution of 9 civilians, instead of selectively editing it down to a few seconds which show they in a favorable light. Right?

 

[MobBoss]

Obviously. You actually think otherwise?

Since they were shot with their own weapons, yeah, kinda.

I mean really, its beyond naive to actually believe that the commandos were attacked (shot, stabbed, beaten, tossed over a rail) simply to have their weapons taken away from them so they wouldnt be a danger to themselves.

I mean really, it so absurd as to be nonsensical. To be honest, I cant even believe its being suggested in this forum.

Why don't you think Israel has released video or photos of them having pistols prior to the commandos boarding?

Errrr. Huh? No one denies, either from the IDF or the ship, that the pistols werent taken away from the soldiers. Soo?

And why haven't the Israelis produced a non-commando pistol or a bullet from a non-Israeli weapon?

Again...huh? What kind of crazy conspiracy are you suggesting now? What part of the soldiers were shot with their own weapons dont you seem to grasp?

Isnt being shot with their own weapons bad enough?

And I'm also sure there is a quite valid reason why Israel has not released all their raw videotape taken during their clear overreaction and apparent execution of 9 civilians, instead of selectively editing it down to a few seconds which show they in a favorable light. Right?

Since I know you are a stickler for the appropriate use of words, I humbly point out that execution isnt being used in the right context here. Execution implies those being killed were in custody of the IDF, and thats simply not the case.

 

[JollyRoger]

Execution implies those being killed were in custody of the IDF, and thats simply not the case.

All the survivors ended up in the custody of the IDF. Israel can release video showing non-custodial killings if that is the case.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Gah, I didn't want to come back this thread... but I'm soooooo bored.

Self-defense against pirates.

It's not much of a defense to attack.

Serrated knives are quite commonly used in boating and scuba diving. they will cut through rope and other materials much faster than a regular blade will.

Ok, thanks for answering me straight, I didn't know that.

Do you really think this person would have been killed as Israel alleges? If so, why wasn't he as the photo was being taken?

Yes, I do think they would have been killed.

Deadly force generally results in dead bodies. You know, like the force the Israelis used.

Yes, and you know why there aren't any dead Israeli's? Because a couple of soldiers, doing their job, stopped the attackers before they killed any of their buddies.

They'd be pretty shotty soldiers if they just let one of their companions die.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I mean really, its beyond naive to actually believe that the commandos were attacked (shot, stabbed, beaten, tossed over a rail) simply to have their weapons taken away from them so they wouldnt be a danger to themselves.

No, it is so they wouldn't be a danger to the protestors.

Don't you ever get tired of manufacturing absurd strawmen from what should be my rather obvious opinions based on the number of posts I have made on this topic?

Yes, I do think they would have been killed.

I certainly don't. And I think it is basically absurd to think they would have given that many of the protestors apparently had exactly that chance and nothing happened. Compare and contrast that to what appear to be revenge executions on the part of the Israeli commandos.

Yes, and you know why there aren't any dead Israeli's? Because a couple of soldiers, doing their job, stopped the attackers before they killed any of their buddies.

What about the ones who were dragged down below decks for their own protection? In other words, what about the guy in the photograph in the OP you posted? There's a protestor standing right over him apparently armed with his own knife, and quite likely one of the other protestors had his own pistol. Yet there he is being attended to by the protestors. Why wasn't he executed? They clearly had the opportunity.

YesThey'd be pretty shotty soldiers if they just let one of their companions die.

No, the are "pretty shotty soldiers" for even thinking about trying this absurd maneuver when their own video showed what was clearly waiting for them. Don't blame the protestors for the obvious incompetence and complete disregard for the safety of their own commandos on the part of the Israeli military. What were they thinking sending commandos into that situation in the first place, much less supposedly armed with paintball guns?

 

[MobBoss]

No, it is so they wouldn't be a danger to the protestors.

Don't you ever get tired of manufacturing absurd strawmen from what should be my rather obvious opinions based on the number of posts I have made on this topic?

The absured stawman here is the utterly silly presumption that the weapons were taken from the soldiers for their own protection. The mere fact that they were shot with their own weapons, is proof against that.

I certainly don't.

I will go on the record as thinking they would have been.

And I think it is basically absurd to think they would have given that many of the protestors apparently had exactly that chance and nothing happened. Compare and contrast that to what appear to be revenge executions on the part of the Israeli commandos.

There is simply no proof of such 'revenge executions' anywhere and its simply, once again, a typical conpiracy type of theory with no basis of fact.

What about the ones who were dragged down below decks for their own protection?

None were. And if you think they were being drug below deck for their own protection, I have some swampland to sell ya.

In other words, what about the guy in the photograph in the OP you posted? There's a protestor standing right over him apparently armed with his own knife, and quite likely one of the other protestors had his own pistol. Yet there he is being attended to by the protestors. Why wasn't he executed? They clearly had the opportunity.

Its a single FRAME of reference. You dont know what happened before or just after that photo. It could be very well that they guy with the knife stabs him again. Or not. And frankly its silly to make such presumptions either way.

No, the are "pretty shotty soldiers" for even thinking about trying this absurd maneuver when their own video showed what was clearly waiting for them. Don't blame the protestors for the obvious incompetence and complete disregard for the safety of their own commandos on the part of the Israeli military.

I dont. I agree the soldiers should have been better prepared, but I also equally blame the 'humanitarians' for attacking the way they did. Both sides made errors and both sides need to bear the responsibility of their own actions.

What were they thinking sending commandos into that situation in the first place, much less supposedly armed with paintball guns?

They were probably thinking they werent going to meet any resistance once they got on the ship. They were wrong.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Sorry to go back to the OP, but I have to say I'm shocked and disappointed in Reuters. Looking at the first image I'm reviled by the brutal 'peace activists', yet in the second it looks like they're having a friendly tea party with their Israeli pal. Oh wait, no that would be stupid - the two images, while different, do not lead me to view any of the parties in a more favourable light, so to describe this as some sort of conspiracy would be, errr... mistaken

I can't even see what is being carried in either picture. You've got to be pretty swivel-eyed to read a sinister motive in something so trivial.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

By the way, the uncropped versions have been shown on the slide show on Reuter's site all this time, 2nd and 8th picture.

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2EV0A#a=1

Oh well, carry on

 

[JollyRoger]

The fact that they haven't consulted Israel on how the photo should be cropped or otherwise altered shows how much they hate the Israelis.