Reuters Alters Images Again

[Silurian]

Next they will be saying that Reuters is a self hating anti-semtic organisation rather than someone was stupid

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Indeed, but the thing I am missing on the reuter's side is a motive...

Indeed. Lets discuss motive.

Didn't enter the discussion about the flotilla. Until now. Both sides obviously have stuff to hide.

Both sides use copious amounts of propaganda.

Not sure how Reuters fits in.

When a great part of the debate surrounding a story involves whether or not one side was armed or unarmed, the parts of pictures that show the answer should not be edited out. This is either bad reporting or a political move exposed. I suspect it is the former.

Probably the former. They probably did it to make the image less "clutered."

I agree that the probability of bad reporting is most probable.

Reason, there's a bloodied Israeli soldier lying there. When I first saw the pictures that is what jumped at me. It was already known that the people on the flotilla had knives. I saw pictures and video of those knives. It's not as if these pictures blew the whistle on the presence of knives.

So, I am wondering how this thought process would work. A picture with a tied, scared and bloodied Israeli soldier is decided to be shown, but they edit out the knife because that would seem anti-flotilla/palestine/terrorist?

*takes note of people defending reuters*

seriously, there is no defense for this. Just admit people with your ideology can be scumbags too and move on.

So many things wrong with this post.

My ideology? My opinion is that the good guys and bad guys in this conflict are not determined by nationality. That the notion this is just like in the Star Wars movies with a light side and a dark side is inane, unrealistic and ludicrously oversimplifies a complicated conflict. I really do hope Reuters shares that opinion. There may be scumbags who share this opinion, but I know there are the bigger scumbags on either side of the fence since they also add hypocrisy into the mix.

I also like how wondering what motive Reuters would have to consciously edit out a knife is defending them. No, no, no. What we need in this conflict is kneejerk reactions. That has been working so well the last couple of decades. Never change a winning formula. The conflict in the Middle East is going swimmingly.

And now I'm pissed of at myself since I know the effort going into this is almost certainly wasted. Cue the Coyote Squad.

 

[nonconformist]

Haha, it's a tiny little serrated kitchen knife, which the guy doesn't even know how to use (and look at the photo, you can see he's got it balanced vertically between his thumb and palm, that's not even agressive) and the american right are spunking themselves over it.

 

[ColdClimate]

Well, unless someone can show a viable motive here, I think we can reduce this story to "Reuter's makes mistake, corrects, apologizes" and move on....

 

[JollyRoger]

Is it (R)euters? Fox was reporting it as (D)euters.

 

[Joecoolyo]

They had a hunting knife. Oh no. Guess what, it wouldn't have been a problem if the Israelis hadn't boarded their effing boat. What, are they worried about some Gazan getting ahold of a hunting knife? Oh, the horror that would ensue, how would anyone sleep at night!

They're humanitarians, why would they need a hunting knife?

Have you seen how any FOXNEW threads for media manipulation there have been just for this year never mind upto four years ago? It seems like every week the DailyShow and Colbert Report catch FOXNEWS pushing there blatent lies non stop.

GlennBeck claimed that only news organisation showing mediafootage of isrealies being beatern were Foxnews and you could NOT watch it on any other US media company .... except for CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Dailyshow.

What next Obamas terrorist fist bump? Oh wait .....

When did I ever throw my support behind Faux News? Either you misquoted or read my post wrong.

P.S. I'm a regular Daily Show/Colbert Report viewer

 

[JollyRoger]

They're humanitarians, why would they need a hunting knife?

Self-defense against pirates.

 

[Formaldehyde]

They're humanitarians, why would they need a hunting knife?

They are trained ninja assassins. Why would they need paintball guns, especially if they didn't announce they were using them first?

Serrated knives are quite commonly used in boating and scuba diving. they will cut through rope and other materials much faster than a regular blade will.

Do you really think this person would have been killed as Israel alleges? If so, why wasn't he as the photo was being taken?

 

[MobBoss]

Haha, it's a tiny little serrated kitchen knife, which the guy doesn't even know how to use (and look at the photo, you can see he's got it balanced vertically between his thumb and palm, that's not even agressive) and the american right are spunking themselves over it.

Because we all know that knives simply arent deadly unless wielded by ninjas and are at least a foot long or more....

Serrated knives are quite commonly used in boating and scuba diving. they will cut through rope and other materials much faster than a regular blade will.

Makes sense they would cut through flesh faster as well then eh?

Do you really think this person would have been killed as Israel alleges? If so, why wasn't he as the photo was being taken?

Do you think the blood in the photo there simply for effect?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Do you think the blood in the photo there simply for effect?

Nobody has doubted that Israelis "commandos" weren't injured after they stupidly rappelled onto the ship at night with supposed paintball guns and then drew their pistols to "defend" themselves.

But I seriously doubt there was any intent to kill them as the Israelis absurdly contended with no actual evidence. If the protestors had intended to kill them there were a number who would have likely met that fate, since they were clearly incapacitated and in the hands of the protestors. Yet nothing happened to them...

Mentioning the blood, however, is a great appeal to emotion fallacy. Israel would be so proud, especially since you apparently forgot to mention what likely leaked out of all the dead and wounded protestors.

 

[MobBoss]

I doubt there was any intent to kill them as the Israelis absurdly contended.

How can you allege this fully knowing that deadly force was used with knives, metal poles/bats, and even captured pistols?

How does one toss a commando off a deck and it not be deadly force?

If there were a number of them would have likely met that fate, since they were clearly incapacitated and in the hands of the protestors. Yet nothing happened to them...

Its called body armor. It helps keep you alive.

But mentioning the blood is a great appeal to emotion fallacy. Israel would be so proud.

Rofl, give me a break. This entire incident was a planned appeal to emotion from the very beginning.

 

[Formaldehyde]

How can you allege this fully knowing that deadly force was used with knives, metal poles/bats, and even captured pistols?

Because none of them are actually dead despite all sorts of opportunities to do so?

Rofl, give me a break. This entire incident was a planned appeal to emotion from the very beginning.

So you tbink it was an appeal to emotion fallacy as well? Or are you intentionally trying to change the subject?

 

[JollyRoger]

How can you allege this fully knowing that deadly force was used with knives, metal poles/bats, and even captured pistols?

How does one toss a commando off a deck and it not be deadly force?

Deadly force generally results in dead bodies. You know, like the force the Israelis used.

 

[Silurian]

MobBoss@

Did you know that there are knives on all ships

 

[MobBoss]

Because none of them are actually dead despite all sorts of opportunities to do so?

So you tbink it was an appeal to emotion fallacy as well? Or are you intentionally trying to change the subject?

Deadly force generally results in dead bodies. You know, like the force the Israelis used.

I am sure you both realize that proof of use of deadly force doesnt require a dead body, it only requires intent. I dont think there is any way to honestly look at the proof here and not say they werent trying to kill the soldiers.

 

[JollyRoger]

I am sure you both realize that proof of use of deadly force doesnt require a dead body, it only requires intent.

And whether the body is dead or not is circumstantial evidence of intent. They could have killed the guy if they wanted, yet they did not.

 

[Formaldehyde]

This is exactly why peace in the Middle East will likely forever be impossible. The people in the US and Isreal who rationalize these acts clearly aren't interested in peace in the least. They will always have their excuses to commit any atrocities they want. And then when the other side reciprocates in any manner that physically threatens them in the least, they claim they have all the proof they need to commit even more atrocities.

 

[ColdClimate]

This is exactly why peace in the Middle East will likely forever be impossible. The US and Israeli reactionaries clearly aren't interested in peace in the least. They will always have their excuses to commit any atrocities they want. And then when the other side reciprocates in any manner that physically threatens them in the least, they claim they have all the proof they need to commit even more atrocities.

Now did you mean 'US and Israeli', or 'Palestinian and Israeli'...?

 

[GinandTonic]

And whether the body is dead or not is circumstantial evidence of intent. They could have killed the guy if they wanted, yet they did not.

Indeed. The guy is ko and a man is standing over him with a knife. Clearly if they had intended to kill him they would have done.

Perhaps they inadvisedly took a moment to explain the whole of their dastardly scheme.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Now did you mean 'US and Israeli', or 'Palestinian and Israeli'...?

The Palestinians didn't have anything to do with the atrocities which occurred on this Turkish ship. That excuse doesn't work here. And without the support of much of the US, Israel would change their warmongering tendencies overnight. The US has created the Israeli monster by giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want for so many years.