Reuters Alters Images Again

[ColdClimate]

The Palestinians didn't have anything to do with the atrocities which occurred on this Turkish ship. That excuse doesn't work here. And without the support of much of the US, Israel would change their warmongering tendencies overnight. The US has created the Israeli monster by giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want for so many years.

I'm sorrry, I thought you were talking about mid-east peace in general...

 

[aelf]

Didn't enter the discussion about the flotilla. Until now. Both sides obviously have stuff to hide.

And I suppose Reuters is in one of the camps? I wonder how much those billionaire activists paid them.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm sorrry, I thought you were talking about mid-east peace in general...

I really am. For many decades now Israel hasn't really been threatened by anybody, much less the Palestinians. But this particular case clearly shows that the Palestinian terrorism, or anybody else's for that matter, really has nothing to do with classical Israeli overreaction to anything they think they can classify as being a threat. And without the diect support of the US to block any UN Security Council action against them, they couldn't get away with it.

 

[MobBoss]

And whether the body is dead or not is circumstantial evidence of intent. They could have killed the guy if they wanted, yet they did not.

Thats why its called 'attempted' murder....

 

[JollyRoger]

Thats why its called 'attempted' murder....

You would have to prove intent to murder. He survived despite a very good opportunity to finish the job. Not a very strong case for attempted murder.

 

[MobBoss]

You would have to prove intent to murder. He survived despite a very good opportunity to finish the job. Not a very strong case for attempted murder.

So, shooting them, stabbing them, hitting them with clubs and tossing them off the deck isnt enough for you for intent?

Ah, well, some people will see what they want to see I guess.

 

[JollyRoger]

Ah, well, some people will see what they want to see I guess.

I see 9 dead bodies - none of them Israeli.

 

[MobBoss]

I see 9 dead bodies - none of them Israeli.

Thats good, because I wouldnt try to argue a lack of deadly intent there. In my opinion, deadly force was used by both sides....just more effectively by the IDF.

 

[JollyRoger]

One side used defensive force, one use deadly force.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Uhm...nope. And guess what? I am not the topic. Reuters is. Care to comment abou them?

Other agencies do make mistakes. I dont expect news services to be error free. Are you saying this was just an error?

No, I wouldnt defend such a mistake. But I dont buy into some conspiracy that they do it purposefully.

I think a certain someone needs to stay focused on the thread topic and not other posters.

Why must you be reasonable ? I liked the old Mobboss better (the good old days when you would get worked up over boxing tickets)

Anyway. NYT has the whole WMDs debarcle, MSNBC mishandle Bush war record. Foxnews however put them to shame for the scale and sheer amount of BS that they pull. Reuters image crop is like complaining about boxing tickets while 6.6 Billion goes missing.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

They're humanitarians, why would they need a hunting knife?

Because they feel like having one? Good grief, its a knife, get the hell over it already.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Ah, well, some people will see what they want to see I guess.

Yes, they do.

I see 9 dead bodies - none of them Israeli.

Indeed. I guess with some people, rhetoric and their own preconceived notions about what must have happened trump the facts.

 

[MobBoss]

Indeed. I guess with some people, rhetoric and their own preconceived notions about what must have happened trump the facts.

I do appreciate the irony of this statement. Especially in this case where its so obvious that the soldiers boarding the ship were attacked first and by surprise.

 

[JollyRoger]

The boarding was an attack. A counter should not be considered a surprise.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I do appreciate the irony of this statement. Especially in this case where its so obvious that the soldiers boarding the ship were attacked first and by surprise.

Unfortunately, there is none. The notion that commandos could possibly be surprised when they decided to make a night-time assault on a civilian ship is ludicrous. And if they were actually surprised by what happened, the Israeli military is obviously incompetent and totally to blame since their infrared video clearly shows that civilians were on deck and defensively armed with poles to repel boarders.

Once again, there was no compelling reason for them to ever try such a maneuver in the dead of night so the Israeli military is clearly responsible for the resulting atrocities. They could have easily rescheduled their operation until daylight, which was only hours away when they could have tried a different approach that did not endanger innocent civilians as well as Israeli soldiers in such a callous and brutal manner.

Furthermore, the commandos clearly overreacted when they did meet resistance. They were obviously in no imminent danger, so their use of deadly force against people merely trying to defend themselves from a stupid and cowardly night-time assault on a civilan ship was a clear mistake on their part. They should have simply surrendered or just fired warning shots, instead of executing 9 people and wounding many more.

 

[Silurian]

Originally Posted by MobBoss

Especially in this case where its so obvious that the soldiers boarding the ship were attacked first and by surprise.

The assault took place during the first prayers of the day when a lot of people were on deck praying.

The Israeli troops first tried to board from boats but were prevented by fire hoses and objects thrown from the ship.

So the people on board got excited fighting off the people trying to board from boats collecting the chairs, parasols, plates etc from the boat to continue the defence.

Then the IDF decide to land by helicopter into an excited hostile crowd.

They were not surprised they were incompetent.

 

[sophie]

Unfortunately, there is none. The notion that commandos could possibly be surprised when they decided to make a night-time assault on a civilian ship is ludicrous. And if they were actually surprised by what happened, the Israeli military is obviously incompetent and totally to blame since their infrared video clearly shows that civilians were on deck and defensively armed with poles to repel boarders.

Not only that, but they were boarding illegally in international waters. What the hell do you expect would happen?

As for the knife, we're on a boat in the middle of the ocean! And knives are extremely useful for a multiplicity of circumstances, as any avid camper will tell you readily.

 

[nonconformist]

Because we all know that knives simply arent deadly unless wielded by ninjas and are at least a foot long or more....

Of course they are......if used correctly. Serrated knives aren't stabbing weapons, they're slashing weapons and cutting weapons. Noone worth his salt will use a serrated kitchen knife to attack someone.
As for the way he's holding it, it's completely inoffensive, there's no grip.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I think that knife was taken from the Israeli commando in the photo so he wouldn't foolishly try to stab any of the people who were obviously aiding him.

And as far as the notion that Israel was surprised by the resistance is concerned:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/n...eli-blockade-aid-flotilla-headed-to-gaza.html

İHH President Bülent Yıldırım said they would not let Israeli soldiers onto the vessel. “We have passengers ranging in age from 1 to 80. If Israel really can risk attacking these people, let it be. We will passively resist them. We don’t have even a penknife, but we will not let Israeli soldiers on,” he said.

Of course, not even having a penknife is a bit hyperbolic given all the kitchen knives and boating knives onboard any ship that size, which Israel dutifully collected to show that the protestors could have even poked an eye out if they really wanted to. But they should have known all along that they would indeed meet resistence, since one of the organizers stated ahead of time that was the plan.

 

[MobBoss]

Unfortunately, there is none. The notion that commandos could possibly be surprised when they decided to make a night-time assault on a civilian ship is ludicrous. And if they were actually surprised by what happened, the Israeli military is obviously incompetent and totally to blame since their infrared video clearly shows that civilians were on deck and defensively armed with poles to repel boarders.

First of all, a single operation going bad isnt an indicator of organization wide incompetence.

Once again, there was no compelling reason for them to ever try such a maneuver in the dead of night so the Israeli military is clearly responsible for the resulting atrocities.

Bollocks. Civilians are protected, and they wouldnt have been hurt otherwise. All the other ships are evidence of this. They lose that status if they pick up weapons and aattack however, thus they are responsible for their own deaths. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Furthermore, the commandos clearly overreacted when they did meet resistance.

Your kidding right?

They were obviously in no imminent danger

Wow. Just wow. Stabbed, shot, beaten, and thrown off decks, is 'no immediate danger' to you.

Amazing.

so their use of deadly force against people merely trying to defend themselves from a stupid and cowardly night-time assault on a civilan ship was a clear mistake on their part. They should have simply surrendered or just fired warning shots, instead of executing 9 people and wounding many more.

Riiight. What typically happens to people who surrender to terrorists Form?

Not only that, but they were boarding illegally in international waters. What the hell do you expect would happen?

As has been shown repeatedly and often, yet people continue to ignore: It wasnt illegal.

As for the knife, we're on a boat in the middle of the ocean! And knives are extremely useful for a multiplicity of circumstances, as any avid camper will tell you readily.

And they can still kill people! Cant they?

I think that knife was taken from the Israeli commando in the photo so he wouldn't foolishly try to stab any of the people who were obviously aiding him.

And I am sure the pistols were taken from them the same way. Oh..and them getting shot with their own pistols was merely accidental....