RFC Europe -Art and Flags Thread

[jessiecat]

Take out the light galley, and maybe the war galley, but the trireme has to stay out.

Here's a much simpler version of your plan. I've dropped the trireme and kept the war galley in the High Middle Ages. The caravel comes in to the Late Middle Ages and can cross oceans but not carry troops. The galleas, Venetian galleas and xebec also appear in the Late Middle Ages. And so on. Anyway here it is.

Early..............High Middle Ages..........Late Middle Ages...........Renaissance...........Age of Discovery

Galley(holds 2)
available
to all civs,
upgrades to Cogge(holds 2) ..upgrades to Carrack(holds 3) upgrades to .......................Galleon(holds 4)
..............................................................................( carrack or galleon don't apply
...............................................................................for Venice or any Muslim civs)
..........\
...........\
...........or War Galley upgrades to Caravel upgrades to........................Frigate (all civs, no troops)
.........(all civs, holds no troops)....(all civs, can cross ocean, no troops).....................or
...................................................................................................Privateer (all civs, no troops)
.........................................\
...........................................\
............................................or Galleas upgrades to ............................ War Galleas
............................................(holds 2 troops).......................(Holds 3 troops, can enter ocean)
............................................or Venetian Galleas
............................................(Venice only)
............................................(holds 3 troops, with promotion can enter ocean)
............................................or Xebec
............................................Muslim civs only) upgrades to .....................Large Xebec
.............................................(holds 2 troops)........................( Holds 3 troops, can enter ocean)

Here is some possible art for an early war galley. For the galleas and xebec upgrades to War galleas
and Large Xebec we can scale them up a bit in size and add stronger specs. What do people think of this scheme?

 

[Michael Vick]

Here's a much simpler version of your plan. I've dropped the trireme and kept the war galley in the High Middle Ages. The caravel comes in to the Late Middle Ages and can cross oceans but not carry troops. The galleas, Venetian galleas and xebec also appear in the Late Middle Ages. And so on. Anyway here it is.

Early..............High Middle Ages..........Late Middle Ages...........Renaissance...........Age of Discovery

Galley(holds 2)
available
to all civs,
upgrades to Cogge(holds 2) ..upgrades to Carrack(holds 3) upgrades to .......................Galleon(holds 4)
..............................................................................( carrack or galleon don't apply
...............................................................................for Venice or any Muslim civs)
..........\
...........\
...........or War Galley upgrades to Caravel upgrades to........................Frigate (all civs, no troops)
.........(all civs, holds no troops)....(all civs, can cross ocean, no troops).....................or
...................................................................................................Privateer (all civs, no troops)
.........................................\
...........................................\
............................................or Galleas upgrades to ............................ War Galleas
............................................(holds 2 troops).......................(Holds 3 troops, can enter ocean)
............................................or Venetian Galleas
............................................(Venice only)
............................................(holds 3 troops, with promotion can enter ocean)
............................................or Xebec
............................................Muslim civs only) upgrades to .....................Large Xebec
.............................................(holds 2 troops)........................( Holds 3 troops, can enter ocean)

Here is some possible art for an early war galley. For the galleas and xebec upgrades to War galleas
and Large Xebec we can scale them up a bit in size and add stronger specs. What do people think of this scheme?

I like it, but it's got just as many units as my plan, and on mine I really emphasized the galleys but only for the mediterranean civs, if we follow this plan could cogs replace galleys for the Northern civs? The two kinds of ships are completely different and that's because of the conditions they sailed in, warm, calm, not windy mediterranean v.s. cold, choppy, windy, Northern Seas.

Any kind of art is fine, but it would be nice if as many of these as possible could have lateen sails.

 

[3Miro]

What tech/when would those be available and what would the advantages of Galleas vs Carrack would be? What would the strengths of those would be? Right now Caravel -> Frigate would be a big jump.

 

[jessiecat]

What tech/when would those be available and what would the advantages of Galleas vs Carrack would be? What would the strengths of those would be? Right now Caravel -> Frigate would be a big jump.

The tech. reqs. should much as now. The Carrack would only really apply to civs other than Venice and the Muslims. and be equiv. to the Galleas in the Med.
The War Galleas could be the link after Galleas but before the Frigate and Privateer, stronger and bigger than the Galleas. It should available to all civs except the Muslims who would have the Large Xebec as roughly equivalent.

ie. Galleas or Caravel or Carrack>>>upgrades to War Galleas>>>upgrades to Frigate or Privateer

The Frigate and Privateer should be available to all civs but very late in the tech tree.

 

[jessiecat]

I like it, but it's got just as many units as my plan, and on mine I really emphasized the galleys but only for the mediterranean civs, if we follow this plan could cogs replace galleys for the Northern civs? The two kinds of ships are completely different and that's because of the conditions they sailed in, warm, calm, not windy mediterranean v.s. cold, choppy, windy, Northern Seas.

Any kind of art is fine, but it would be nice if as many of these as possible could have lateen sails.

I've kept the basic galley as the first available ship as available up to 1000AD because even in Northern Europe the basic warship design was the longship which could be rowed or sailed. The split would come when the more Northern civs could upgrade to the cogge for transport and war galley for offence which upgrades to the caravel (mid 1400s).
The Med civs would upgrade to the basic galleas (dual purpose) and the caravel for exploring.

 

[merijn_v1]

I'm back and I see you discuss something about the ships. But can someone of you give me a summary of the idea and what you have discussed. (I don't want to read all posts completely).

 

[jessiecat]

I'm back and I see you discuss something about the ships. But can someone of you give me a summary of the idea and what you have discussed. (I don't want to read all posts completely).

Check out the scheme I did in post 81.

 

[Michael Vick]

and my scheme in post 77!
This discussion came up mostly with the mention of including the barbary pirates as a civ in the mod, most of it has been about how naval warfare should be more accurate in the mediterranean, via the inclusion of more galley type units.

 

[micbic]

Leaderhead time!!! Just found some LHs: Selim I of Ottomans (MethylOrange), Christian IV of Norse (TheCapo) and El Cid of Spain and Basil II of Byzantium(both Ekmek). Should they be candidates for inclusion?

 

[Cethegus]

Leaderhead time!!! Just found some LHs: Selim I of Ottomans (MethylOrange), Christian IV of Norse (TheCapo) and El Cid of Spain and Basil II of Byzantium(both Ekmek). Should they be candidates for inclusion?

- Selim I
- Christian IV
- El Cid
- Basil II

 

[micbic]

Thx for adding them, I didnt because I wanted to discuss them before posting them

 

[jessiecat]

Thx for adding them, I didnt because I wanted to discuss them before posting them

Until we can find at least one alternate leaderhead for each civ in the mod how can we use just those four?

 

[BurnEmDown]

Why not use what we can?

 

[micbic]

I agree with Burn. Even in RFC there are some civs with just one leaderhead (Mali, Khmer) while some have 3 (Germany, France).

 

[jessiecat]

I agree with Burn. Even in RFC there are some civs with just one leaderhead (Mali, Khmer) while some have 3 (Germany, France).

I thought you were referring to having different leaderheads for each era. If you mean giving the player a choice of leaderheads at the start then I totally agree.

 

[micbic]

Unfortunately for you, I was meaning the first. And I do not see a reason not to use some of them. (since, as stated, it happens at RFC as well)

 

[jessiecat]

I've just noticed this really nice reskin of a Spanish knight we might use as a replacement for the generic one. The zip file is below. Also, for people who are asking about leaderheads here are pics of some from the database we haven't used yet. I like the first one instead of the Vanilla Roman one we are currently using for Genoa. Much better I think.
EDIT I've spoken with Flying Pig, the author of the Spanish knight figure below, and he's indicated that he'd like to work with our mod, graphically speaking. So we hope to hear from him again soon.

 

[Flying Pig]

Just want to announce myself - I'm here to do units, promotions, flags, buttons of any sort and maybe very crude leaderheads.

 

[micbic]

Welcome to the mod team.

 

[jessiecat]

Just want to announce myself - I'm here to do units, promotions, flags, buttons of any sort and maybe very crude leaderheads.

Thanks for getting back to us. Try the latest version of the mod on the RFCE Files Thread, First Post. Alpha 6 version. Needs BTS 3.19 to run. Play a couple of test games and see what you think. Your input would be invaluable, mate.