RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[merijn_v1]

I found a bug. The Burgundians hired Cuirassiers. In 1359! The techleaders didn't have professional army at that time. But those Cuirassiers don't show up a mercenarry. (they don't have the promotion)

 

[Lord Ainsbirth]

Hello all,
First of all, thanks for this really good mod. Very good and interesting.
I played yesterday my first game with the Spanish as Monarch, and here are my impressions:
1.- Overall, I had the feeling that it was very easy. Whipping out the Cordobians was not very difficult, as well as the Portuguese. After that, the game was REALLY easy, and nobody declared war to me. In fact everybody loved me (which is nice!! )
2.- When the Portuguese appeared, they claimed one of my cities (Braga) and I denied it, so a independency war started. The message 'some of your armies are joining...' but in fact I didn't loose any troop... Is this a bug? Because of that, conquering Lisboa was quite easy.
3.- The Spanish UHV is quite easy: creating 4 cities in North Africa or Corcega/ Cerdeña... is really simple, and not a real quest, as wel as the other 2.
4.- I couldn't finished the game because the game crashed in 1548!!! Grrrr.... If not, I'm sure that I would achived the 3 UHV.
I hope this feedback will help.
My next game will be with Genova... I'll let you know my experiences.

 

[kochman]

Hello all,
First of all, thanks for this really good mod. Very good and interesting.
I played yesterday my first game with the Spanish as Monarch, and here are my impressions:
1.- Overall, I had the feeling that it was very easy. Whipping out the Cordobians was not very difficult, as well as the Portuguese. After that, the game was REALLY easy, and nobody declared war to me. In fact everybody loved me (which is nice!! )
2.- When the Portuguese appeared, they claimed one of my cities (Braga) and I denied it, so a independency war started. The message 'some of your armies are joining...' but in fact I didn't loose any troop... Is this a bug? Because of that, conquering Lisboa was quite easy.
3.- The Spanish UHV is quite easy: creating 4 cities in North Africa or Corcega/ Cerdeña... is really simple, and not a real quest, as wel as the other 2.
4.- I couldn't finished the game because the game crashed in 1548!!! Grrrr.... If not, I'm sure that I would achived the 3 UHV.
I hope this feedback will help.
My next game will be with Genova... I'll let you know my experiences.

Genova is currently impossible to win as, because there is an art error when you choose to build the Genova Banks, and 8 are required for the UHV.

 

[merijn_v1]

Genova is currently impossible to win as, because there is an art error when you choose to build the Genova Banks, and 8 are required for the UHV.

Sedna already removed it. It will be in the next version, but you can change it yourself. Here are the instructions.

Go to your RFCE folder. (C:/program files/Firaxis games/Civ4/BTS/Mods/RFCEurope)
Then go to: assets/XML/art
Open: CIV4ArtDefines_Building.xml
Search for the Genoan Bank (use Ctrl-F). In the last line (<button>) you have to remove the , . So you get <Button>Art/Interface/Buttons/Buildings/Genoan_bank.dds</Button> instead of <Button>,Art/Interface/Buttons/Buildings/Genoan_bank.dds</Button>
Safe the files and it should work.

 

[Steb]

I just played a deeply disappoiting Sweden game in which bad luck seemed to pour upon me. However I'm not here to complain, but to report a few bugs concerning Protestantism...

- Are Protestant Seminaries buildable? Because the pedia says the prequisites are Protestantism and Printing Press, which I both had, and I couldn't build any.

- Protestant Missionaries aren't buildable either, since they require a Seminary. For some reason, Organized Religion doesn't allow them, although it allows other religions (why so?).

- Are negative faith points intended? I'm not sure if it's related, but the faith points in my game were buggy. At first, they were around -2, and I figured that was because I had more Orthodox cities than Protestant ones. But even after I managed to convert all my cities (by removing Orthodoxy and hoping for Protestantism to spread) and built a few Protestant churches, the amount stagnated between -4 and -2.

Please do something about that religion, for right now it is quite annoying.

 

[Lord Ainsbirth]

Sedna already removed it. It will be in the next version, but you can change it yourself. Here are the instructions.

Go to your RFCE folder. (C:/program files/Firaxis games/Civ4/BTS/Mods/RFCEurope)
Then go to: assets/XML/art
Open: CIV4ArtDefines_Building.xml
Search for the Genoan Bank (use Ctrl-F). In the last line (<button>) you have to remove the , . So you get <Button>Art/Interface/Buttons/Buildings/Genoan_bank.dds</Button> instead of <Button>,Art/Interface/Buttons/Buildings/Genoan_bank.dds</Button>
Safe the files and it should work.

Thanks! I'll try and let you know!

 

[FakeShady]

I highly recommend these UHVs for Venice:

1. Control Constantinople or Jerusalem in 1210. (Not by 1210, IN 1210. This will encourage the Venetian player to control a crusade. Therefore, encouraging them to save up gold in the early game to control crusade with financial power.)

2. Control the Dalmatian coast and have at least one city each in mainland Greece, Crete, Rhode island and Cyprus in 1500. (once again not by 1500, in 1500. This will make it a bit more challenging.)

3. Have xxxxx gold in year 1xxx. (Gold to get should be a 5-digit number, and year should be quite late. Once again encourages Venice to get gold. Also encourages player to build St Marco Basilica, as it increases trade gold yield. Also forces Venice to focus more on merchants, and hopefully get a Marco Polo )

I believe this will make the Venetian player to be a bit more "Venice-like", instead of just building settlers, loading them up to ships and sending them to settle islands, which is what we're see-ing now.

 

[jessiecat]

I highly recommend these UHVs for Venice:

2. Control the Dalmatian coast and have at least one city each in mainland Greece, Crete, Rhode island and Cyprus in 1500. (once again not by 1500, in 1500. This will make it a bit more challenging.)

It sure would. You'd need Atlantic Access for that.

 

[FakeShady]

It sure would. You'd need Atlantic Access for that.

OH COME ON, you know what i meant LOL

Its called Rhodes right? The one in the game

 

[Veshta]

I am sure he knows exactly what you meant, but that was one mighty tempting thread sticking out of that knitted sweater . . can't blame him for giving it a good tug

Would be good with some more challenging Venetian goals, they are currently free to dominate entirely and still meet their goals. Even the AI regularly takes over Constantinople and a good chunk of the Levant, even the Ottoman's have problems doing that.

 

[3Miro]

I highly recommend these UHVs for Venice:

1. Control Constantinople or Jerusalem in 1210. (Not by 1210, IN 1210. This will encourage the Venetian player to control a crusade. Therefore, encouraging them to save up gold in the early game to control crusade with financial power.)

The main Venetian trade competitor were the Byzantines. Hence the 4-th Crusade and capturing Constantinople. Go for Constantinople only, not Jerusalem, I think it makes more sense.

BTW: this would be the forth (fifth if you count the Byzantines) nation with "Control Constantinople" UHV.

 

[FakeShady]

The main Venetian trade competitor were the Byzantines. Hence the 4-th Crusade and capturing Constantinople. Go for Constantinople only, not Jerusalem, I think it makes more sense.

BTW: this would be the forth (fifth if you count the Byzantines) nation with "Control Constantinople" UHV.

Well ok then. i just fear Venice will send cogs full of soldiers to attack Constantinople instead. Because the point here is that Venice control a crusade through financial power, which they should be doing instead of Genoa doing it all the time.

As the pro-Byzantine man, i don't mind if 4 or more nations has "Control Constantinople" as their UHV Why? Becos with careful defending, no one can get Constantinople. Only the Ottomans have a chance. A chance. The rest of the Byzantine lands, however, leaves much to be desired.

Besides, there are three civs that just MUST have "Control Constantinople" as their UHV, and they are Byzantium, Ottomans and Venice. Isn't it?

 

[kochman]

The main Venetian trade competitor were the Byzantines. Hence the 4-th Crusade and capturing Constantinople. Go for Constantinople only, not Jerusalem, I think it makes more sense.

It should definitely not be limited to only Constantinople. The Venetians played huge roles in capturing the coastal cities of the Levant and ended up the defacto rulers of some of the larger ones as a result. Let's not forget, they actually started out as a vassal of Byzantium also.

I would say the Genovans were also main competitors, at least on the same level as Byzantines, and the Venetians also had serious problems with the Norman Kingdom of Sicily, which is absent as a power...

 

[jessiecat]

the Venetians also had serious problems with the Norman Kingdom of Sicily, which is absent as a power...

It is absent because while it was briefly a serious power, it lasted barely a hundred years and was extinct before Venetian wealth and trade became truly established. By that standard we should have included the likes of Aquitainia, Aragon, Lucca, Pisa, Lithuania, Prussia, Swabia, Roumania, Serbia, Novgorod, etc. etc. etc..
There's got to be a limit, I think you'll agree.

 

[fireclaw722]

It is absent because while it was briefly a serious power, it lasted barely a hundred years and was extinct before Venetian wealth and trade became truly established. By that standard we should have included the likes of Aquitainia, Aragon, Lucca, Pisa, Lithuania, Prussia, Swabia, Roumania, Serbia, Novgorod, etc. etc. etc..
There's got to be a limit, I think you'll agree.

Bulgaria can be used as Serbia, Romania, and Bulgaria(but that would be strechting them out all across the Balkans); HRE to Prussia. But I think that there should be another Balkan state(Austria and Hungary are to far North to affect Bulgaria, and Byzantium can't take out Bulgaria without losing those cities, so Bulgaria is left alone to Dominate the Southern Balkans[Except Greece])

 

[FakeShady]

Ok, so any reactions on the Venetian UHVs i listed? You guys do agree that the current ones just don't make the cut right? I hope you guys also realize Venice and unifying Italy just don't go well together too.

I've heard many complaints about UHVs, and i think some should be changed too. When will the UHVs be changed?? Next version?

 

[kochman]

It is absent because while it was briefly a serious power, it lasted barely a hundred years and was extinct before Venetian wealth and trade became truly established. By that standard we should have included the likes of Aquitainia, Aragon, Lucca, Pisa, Lithuania, Prussia, Swabia, Roumania, Serbia, Novgorod, etc. etc. etc..
There's got to be a limit, I think you'll agree.

I only agree with your final 2 sentences.
Venetian trade was well established by 1100.
My point wasn't to get Norman Sicily in the game, but to point out that Byzantine wasn't their only trade contender.

 

[BurnEmDown]

Hey guys do you remember the suggestion to add minor civs like Novgorod and Kingdom of Sicily and Kingdom of Aragon, make Prag a minor civ (Kingdom of Bohemia), and many others and these civs will act just like indy's but you could interact more with them and sometimes you could inherit them through an event?
Your talk reminded me of it, do you think it could be coded and added to one of the next updates?

 

[kochman]

I may be out of my league answering this, but I know you can make civs "non playable", which makes them "minor". It is a simple change in the XML coding...
However, it would still take additional time for the computer to process these minor civs.

 

[Barak]

Playing as Genoa, am I correct that they do not have Atlantic Access? I guess that means I have to conquer someone to get it?