RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[kochman]

Having at least Genoa with overlapping territorial targets as Venice may help.

I am pretty sure Genova does have some overlap on territorial targets (Rhodes? Cyprus? or Crete? Can't remember).

Some games some empires are going to be superpowers... if it becomes every game, then it might be broken...
Venice seems to have gotten lucky in this case, with the crusades.

The only empire I consider to always be overstrengthed is Hungary, because they don't really have anyone seriously contending with them...

 

[merijn_v1]

In my games, France is always very strong. Since their is no Burgundy anymore, they have no enemy. I think this one is more a superpower than Hungary.

 

[kochman]

France should generally be more superpowered than Hungary.
Hungary should not, however, be more powerful than Austria or Germany, generally speaking... and it always is.

 

[BurnEmDown]

The problem is with the Ottomans, they should be able to be a threat to Hungary. Until the Ottoman problem isn't fixed there will never be balance and historical accuracy in eastern Europe.

 

[kochman]

That is part of the problem... in general, Eastern Europe needs some work with more forces/civs brought into the equation, and barb invasions being stronger, etc.

 

[micbic]

I am currently running a sample of test Dutch starts, mostly looking to solve the situation in Southeastern Europe, ie Venice, Byzantium, Hungary and Ottomans(I plan 4 samples straightforward, and another 4 after the changes).
I will keep you informed (in this post)
EDIT 1: First game completed. I opened the WB at various points (1000, 1200, 1400, 1550 AD). The situation at Balkans was like:

Spoiler :

NUMBER OF CITIES ON BALKAN PENINSULA AND ISLANDS TABLE (Current settings)

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----7------4-----5------0
1400----8------4-----4------1
1550----9------4-----4------1

 

[AdrienIer]

I started my first game with the Byzantine empire, and I'm surprised at the lack of city in the Peloponnese and in south-western Anatolia around Pergamon (which was somewhat important at that time).
I know the empire is already pretty big, but it is historically incorrect to leave those lands unsettled : here is an atlas of the byzantine empire in 500, http://www.histoire-fr.com/Atlas_byzance_500.htm (the website is in French, but you only want the atlas).

 

[kochman]

I am currently running a sample of test Dutch starts, mostly looking to solve the situation in Southeastern Europe, ie Venice, Byzantium, Hungary and Ottomans(I plan 4 samples straightforward, and another 4 after the changes).
I will keep you informed (in this post)
EDIT 1: First game completed. I opened the WB at various points (1000, 1200, 1400, 1550 AD). The situation at Balkans was like:

Spoiler :

NUMBER OF CITIES ON BALKAN PENINSULA AND ISLANDS TABLE (Current settings)

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----7------4-----5------0
1400----8------4-----4------1
1550----9------4-----4------1

Is it safe to say you agree that Hungary is overpowered?

 

[micbic]

Is it safe to say you agree that Hungary is overpowered?

Safe enough.

 

[kochman]

I wonder how many people will have to say how many times before they do something about Hungary being overpowered?

I wonder... is there a Hungarian on the modteam?

 

[jessiecat]

I wonder how many people will have to say how many times before they do something about Hungary being overpowered?

I wonder... is there a Hungarian on the modteam?

lol. No Hungarians. But we do have a Bulgarian ex-pat. Also a Greek, a Spaniard, a Dutchman, a couple of Yanks and an ex-pat Canadian (me!)

Seriously. I agree the Hungarian AI has seemed over-powered in recent up-dates. prob. due to few threats to its expansion esp. eastward. I have found that playing as Hungary there used to be an inherent instability though that may not be true anymore in the latest updates. I'll have to play-test them again soon.

 

[Ekolite]

Also I think Austria is generally underpowered, it is usually weak when i spawns and doesn't really do a lot. There might be a common solution to both issues.

 

[kochman]

A better Austria would help, and less stability in eastward expansion would make sense and reflect the Romanian peoples pretty well if Transylvania and further east were made into "red" stability zones for Hungary...
There was a lot of fighting going on there.

I also think that the "saxons"/germans should probably have some goal to rule in the Transylvania region, which would bring Hungary and Germany into conflict...

 

[fdgsgds]

Also I think Austria is generally underpowered, it is usually weak when i spawns and doesn't really do a lot. There might be a common solution to both issues.

They are extremely un-aggressive. They never expand and always build about five cities the minimum distance (two tiles) from eachother.

 

[AdrienIer]

Indeed, expanding the war and settler map of Austria to the east on Hungarian ground might help. Maybe expanding the Bulgarian ones to the north (which could also represent the Romanian resistance) might also help. I also agree with Kochman. There are several options

 

[micbic]

They are extremely un-aggressive. They never expand and always build about five cities the minimum distance (two tiles) from eachother.

It is fact that they build around 5 cities too close. Before that change, they had 3 stretched ones. Loss of space? I would prefer strengthening Pechenegs/Cumans, so as not to leave Hungary quiet.

Oh, test game 2 is currently run.

NUMBER OF CITIES ON BALKAN PENINSULA AND ISLANDS TABLE (Current settings)

Spoiler :

GAME 1

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----7------4-----5------0
1400----8------4-----4------1
1550----9------4-----4------1

GAME 2

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----6------3-----5------0
1400----7------3-----3------3
1550----7------3-----2------8

 

[Bonci]

I'm playing as the arabs and my game crashes in 1500AD...I think that it's the swedish spawn...I cannot control because when i open the wb the game crashes.
Is there a fix somewhere?

EDIT: uh I just managed to fix the problem...i loaded an autosave some turns earlier and opened the wb to give the printing press to the germans.
So maybe the problem was with protestantism?

 

[merijn_v1]

I'm playing as the arabs and my game crashes in 1500AD...I think that it's the swedish spawn...I cannot control because when i open the wb the game crashes.
Is there a fix somewhere?

EDIT: uh I just managed to fix the problem...i loaded an autosave some turns earlier and opened the wb to give the printing press to the germans.
So maybe the problem was with protestantism?

I may be the Genoan Bank isn't working properly. Here is the way to fix it.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8998013&postcount=3244

EDIT: I see you fixed it.

 

[kochman]

It is fact that they build around 5 cities too close. Before that change, they had 3 stretched ones. Loss of space? I would prefer strengthening Pechenegs/Cumans, so as not to leave Hungary quiet.

Oh, test game 2 is currently run.

NUMBER OF CITIES ON BALKAN PENINSULA AND ISLANDS TABLE (Current settings)

Spoiler :

GAME 1

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----7------4-----5------0
1400----8------4-----4------1
1550----9------4-----4------1

GAME 2

Year---HUN---VEN---BYZ---OTT
1000----4------2-----4------0
1200----6------3-----5------0
1400----7------3-----3------3
1550----7------3-----2------8

Yeah, I haven't posted actual results like you have, BUT, I agree with the results that you are posting have been consistent with what I have seen when I played.

Hungary is either overpowered... or underchallenged.

Will this be addressed?

 

[KaiserKevin]

I may be the Genoan Bank isn't working properly. Here is the way to fix it.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8998013&postcount=3244

EDIT: I see you fixed it.

Once I did this my games did not crash nearly so often or irreversibly. Thinks this was it.