RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

No one's gonna tell me what Austria's music is? Im a big classical fan, i need to know but i cant possibly go through all of Mozart's works...

Dude, just open up Assets/Sounds/Diplomacy and look for it (Maria, I'm guessing), its really not that difficult to do :clap:
 
No one's gonna tell me what Austria's music is? Im a big classical fan, i need to know but i cant possibly go through all of Mozart's works...

Serenade In G Major KV 525 "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik":
afaik it is in 4 parts,
Part I: Allegro
Part II: Romanze
Part III: Menuetto
Part IV: Rondo (the one you're looking for)

if you mean austria theme.mp3
 
Serenade In G Major KV 525 "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik":
afaik it is in 4 parts,
Part I: Allegro
Part II: Romanze
Part III: Menuetto
Part IV: Rondo (the one you're looking for)

if you mean austria theme.mp3

THANK YOU!! I <3 Germans

PS ohh Part 1 is the most famous movement...

EDIT: That reminds me, i think Germany needs better music in the game. If u play Germany from the start (800 something AD) you only get to hear the medieval sounding music (Charlemange from non-RFC civ 4) throughout the entire game. Music is the no.1 reason i prefer playing Austria over Germany. Opera house is no.2. Im one of those players who likes to zoom into my cities once in a while.
 
THANK YOU!! I <3 Germans

PS ohh Part 1 is the most famous movement...

EDIT: That reminds me, i think Germany needs better music in the game. If u play Germany from the start (800 something AD) you only get to hear the medieval sounding music (Charlemange from non-RFC civ 4) throughout the entire game. Music is the no.1 reason i prefer playing Austria over Germany. Opera house is no.2. Im one of those players who likes to zoom into my cities once in a while.

i'm american btw :p
 
i'm american btw :p

"Location: Germany"

Sorry, how was i supposed to know HAHA

Whatever, you know your classical music, i <3 people who do :)
 
ok i played england on the last version and its still really flawed. they have serious tech problems for about 300 years (like 20-30 science a turn max). I think they should start with 1-2 more techs and moorland should be removed in wales and england (and maybe reduced in scotland)

EDIT: played a little more and there is absolutely no way I'm going to take Paris. Even with the plague, there are still over 10 units on the city. unbelievable.
 
With Englands unique power in combination of the civic which gives one extra hammer for workshop England is a power house. And when you get steam power...
 
With Englands unique power in combination of the civic which gives one extra hammer for workshop England is a power house. And when you get steam power...

I don't think anyone is disputing that England has a huge production potential.
That has never been the issue afaik. The issue is commerce and an OP France imo.
If the French AI were somewhat capable they could easily crush England (AI or Player).
Knights vs Crossbowmen = dead Crossbowmen :D
Not to mention the high probability of France having Teutonic Knights or Knights Templar.

I've tried a 'cheating' approach too (preplay as France).
I sorta ruined France (war with everybody, bad economy, backwards in techs etc.) and built Calais and Caen very early including complete priority on those two cities.
But once the flip came something odd happened.. although France was nowhere near Chivalry (not even plate armor) they had Knights two turns later -.-
They must have mad peace and traded it in from someone..
I sometimes get the feeling that the AI might even be gifting techs to eachother

The AI does do things like that, I've had Byzantium, Rome, Germany, France all gift me techs at one time or the other, sometimes even fairly important ones (like Civil Service, Replaceable Parts or Drama)

and btw just thought of another thing
in normal RFC you couldn't trade a follow up tech in the same turn, now if your trading partner is nice enough and has the techs you could go from early medieval to industrial age in 1 turn.
it's nice enough when you get to jump ahead but I think that that might also be something to think about (it sure speeds up the overall tech rate if the AI trades smart)
 
I don't think anyone is disputing that England has a huge production potential.
That has never been the issue afaik. The issue is commerce and an OP France imo.
If the French AI were somewhat capable they could easily crush England (AI or Player).
Knights vs Crossbowmen = dead Crossbowmen :D
Not to mention the high probability of France having Teutonic Knights or Knights Templar.

I've tried a 'cheating' approach too (preplay as France).
I sorta ruined France (war with everybody, bad economy, backwards in techs etc.) and built Calais and Caen very early including complete priority on those two cities.
But once the flip came something odd happened.. although France was nowhere near Chivalry (not even plate armor) they had Knights two turns later -.-
They must have mad peace and traded it in from someone..
I sometimes get the feeling that the AI might even be gifting techs to eachother

The AI does do things like that, I've had Byzantium, Rome, Germany, France all gift me techs at one time or the other, sometimes even fairly important ones (like Civil Service, Replaceable Parts or Drama)

and btw just thought of another thing
in normal RFC you couldn't trade a follow up tech in the same turn, now if your trading partner is nice enough and has the techs you could go from early medieval to industrial age in 1 turn.
it's nice enough when you get to jump ahead but I think that that might also be something to think about (it sure speeds up the overall tech rate if the AI trades smart)

Are you sure those weren't mercenaries?
 
Are you sure those weren't mercenaries?

definately, mercs are easy to recognize ;)
besides the fact that they had chivalry (you can see which techs a civ is able to research in the diplomacy screen, therefore you can calculate which techs they have)

France did have gold, I forgot to gift that to the pope before the english spawn. I probably should've put espionage at 100% to slow down research instead of gold.
And they didn't build them but upgraded them from lancers.
It was only 2 knights I think and not so much a big deal, but the fact that they could build more of them was a problem.
And I simply left France still too powerful, next time they won't even get Tours. Second city will be Caen(if I ever try again)
 
that's the main problem. I spawn with 1-2 crossbows maybe some arbelestiers, where france descends upon Calais and Caen with knights (often times templars), macemen, arbelestier of their own, and trebuchets and I pretty much have to load all the units in england to france to protect those cities. It's extremely difficult to muster a large army to take their cities, cus armored lancers arent strong enough to take crossbows, and knights take forever to get with the english.

In addition their UP sucks, no one ever uses workshops. Several others and I have been asking for the power to changed to a +1 for towns (and possibly villages). After all it's the power of "cottage" economy.
 
that's the main problem. I spawn with 1-2 crossbows maybe some arbelestiers, where france descends upon Calais and Caen with knights (often times templars), macemen, arbelestier of their own, and trebuchets and I pretty much have to load all the units in england to france to protect those cities. It's extremely difficult to muster a large army to take their cities, cus armored lancers arent strong enough to take crossbows, and knights take forever to get with the english.

In addition their UP sucks, no one ever uses workshops. Several others and I have been asking for the power to changed to a +1 for towns (and possibly villages). After all it's the power of "cottage" economy.

How do you get production if not from the workshops? Cottage Economy is a historical reference, it is just an unfortunate coincidence that the name of the improvement is different, it actually corresponds to workshops.

At any rate, France no longer has Knights at the English spawn. They will be lucky if they get a few Heavy Lancers.
 
watermills mostly

normally i do watermills at every opportunity and then cottages wherever else. workshops give -1 food which im not crazy about. I guess I could build workshops but honestly I think they are just a flawed improvement. If we were to keep the current method, would you be ok with changing -1 food to a -1 health?
 
Is Beta 7 going to be released today?
 
The English UP takes a while to kick in and doesn't really happen until they have access to the rivers of France. In the end though they have production to equal the Levant and nearly the same gold income as the pure cottage solution .. the only "problem" is that to get the most out of it you are almost forced to use Caste system for a long time due to lack of rivers back home and the resulting health issues.

If tech is slowed so Chivalry doesn't come around until the 1200's, does that mean Austria will start without Chivalry or that they get a tech buffer like in the "old days"?
 
The English UP takes a while to kick in and doesn't really happen until they have access to the rivers of France. In the end though they have production to equal the Levant and nearly the same gold income as the pure cottage solution .. the only "problem" is that to get the most out of it you are almost forced to use Caste system for a long time due to lack of rivers back home and the resulting health issues.

If tech is slowed so Chivalry doesn't come around until the 1200's, does that mean Austria will start without Chivalry or that they get a tech buffer like in the "old days"?

iirc Austria's spawn date will be changed to 12xx
 
iirc Austria's spawn date will be changed to 12xx

Shouldn't it be changed to 1559 (the death of Charles V), because that was when the Holy Roman Empire split up between Charles' son Phillip II in Spain and Charles' brother in Austria? It would make more sense that way, due to the fact that before then the region of Austria was under the control of the Holy Roman Empire, which IMO, is not represented at ALL very well. There should be a Holy Roman Empire civilization and a Prussian civilization.
 
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