RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[3Miro]

Shouldn't it be changed to 1559 (the death of Charles V), because that was when the Holy Roman Empire split up between Charles' son Phillip II in Spain and Charles' brother in Austria? It would make more sense that way, due to the fact that before then the region of Austria was under the control of the Holy Roman Empire, which IMO, is not represented at ALL very well. There should be a Holy Roman Empire civilization and a Prussian civilization.

- Prussia comes too late.
- We have a shift in HRE, originally it is Germany, later it is Hapsburg Austria. The Austrian spawn is associated with the beginning of the Hapsburg Rule. Germany in later years becomes Prussia.
- 1556 is way too late for Austria

 

[Leoreth]

It's an interesting thing to say the Archduchy of Austria was under control of the Holy Roman Empire before Charles V, when in fact it was rather the other way around

 

[The Turk]

It's an interesting thing to say the Archduchy of Austria was under control of the Holy Roman Empire before Charles V, when in fact it was rather the other way around

*It was part of...

 

[Leoreth]

So what? It was part of the HRE right until its dissolution in 1806.

 

[yogiebere]

alright so back to England:

I still think we should have the power changed, because workshops just aren't that great, sure they give decent production but if you use them you can't really get an specialists due to the lack of food, and no real gold which becomes a huge problem later when other civs completely outtech you. England already has chronic science problems even when i do use cottage spam, and the AI is constantly many techs behind because they only build workshops and never get any gold

 

[Opera]

The obvious would be to grant their villages/towns 1. Not sure how that would turn out.

 

[ezzlar]

Well, free peasantry and limited monarchy are already a bit OP and that would make it worse.

 

[yogiebere]

good point, rivered towns would have 3 production then..

what about workshops get +1 food? cus otherwise AI england gets absolutely no specialists and low science (perhaps deemphasize the importance of production because I often seen a london with complete workshop spam)

or something completely different, because right now it does NOT work. The AI is encouraged to get them so minimal science and no specialists are used.

Possiblities: something with colonies (Portugal already has this really)
upgrades for water units
power of parliament? (not sure what that would do)
something to do with making your own religion/free religion/puritanism

 

[Daffy]

Well, free peasantry and limited monarchy are already a bit OP and that would make it worse.

I'd think it's only OP with Germany and France, but this all should change with the new version

But as long as things are changing.. wouldn't a sea-based/naval-based UP be more suiting for England? After all it was the Navy that gave them the chance to become more than a small unimportant kingdom on the fringes of Europe. Currently I don't think their Naval superiority is represented at all, even if their 'Golden Age' only started after they defeated the Spanish Armada.
But I had already suggested a change in UB, maybe that could be something Naval (additional trade route from harbor or something, which would coincide with the Norse UB I think though..)

But elsewise I's also be in favor of +1 Hammer to cottages rather than the workshops
or how about +1 commerce to workshops?
just for the sake of the idea..
But I don't think anyone would build them without the additional hammer.

 

[Daffy]

good point, rivered towns would have 3 production then..

only after 'Steam Engine' and having built a specific building(which name currently eludes me.) which is only possible if the city is located on a river
and since that situation only kicks in quite late and only in specific locations I'd hardly concider it OP. (Only the Dutch can build their Dikes in any coastal city, elswise it's only in cities with rivers)

 

[3Miro]

I will have to play couple of games with England, but workshops used to be powerful.

England should not get a Naval UP. Note that the map is essentially a Pangaea. The only nations that can potentially benefit from Naval UP are Genoa and Venice and even with them, other powers are better.

 

[ezzlar]

Then how about that power of Parliament idea, something to compensate lack of cash? Like you start with the Common Law civic? Or was that a hammer bonus? Dont remember right now...

Or maybe the civic Representation?

 

[kochman]

England should not get a Naval UP. Note that the map is essentially a Pangaea. The only nations that can potentially benefit from Naval UP are Genoa and Venice and even with them, other powers are better.

Agreed...
Some kind of bonus on building colonies would be appropriate... but then some other nations should also get that (Spain, Portugal, France, Holland... I actually think Holland and Portugal should to make up for their smaller "land based" size, meaning, restricted ability to build with hammers due to smaller kingdoms)...

 

[civ_king]

On England, England was a rich country with much of the wealth coming from towns, but now they don't build them. While cottage economy was certainly seems to be a workshop thing it actually was large quantities of small scale production thus it merits being in villages and towns not workshops.

Well the Holland gets Protestantism, but it can't get a large discount due to its size, OTOH Portugal gets no discount, but has a little bit more production. So yes they do need boosts on projects.

 

[The Turk]

Why not just give them a new UP. I understand why a ship promotion one won't work, although I still think it would be a better idea, why not give them a new UU, and change the UP to something like "Power of Archery" or "Bowmanship", giving each archer unit a Horseman and city defense bonus, and instead change their UU to redcoats or something along those lines. But as stated earlier, England's role in this game is surprisingly curtailed in many ways.

 

[kochman]

Why not just give them a new UP. I understand why a ship promotion one won't work, although I still think it would be a better idea, why not give them a new UU, and change the UP to something like "Power of Archery" or "Bowmanship", giving each archer unit a Horseman and city defense bonus, and instead change their UU to redcoats or something along those lines. But as stated earlier, England's role in this game is surprisingly curtailed in many ways.

In all fairness... England was not the powerhouse it became for most of the time span in the mod.

 

[merijn_v1]

Why not just give them a new UP. I understand why a ship promotion one won't work, although I still think it would be a better idea, why not give them a new UU, and change the UP to something like "Power of Archery" or "Bowmanship", giving each archer unit a Horseman and city defense bonus, and instead change their UU to redcoats or something along those lines. But as stated earlier, England's role in this game is surprisingly curtailed in many ways.

The Redcoat comes to late to be a good UU. And I realy think their current UU is historical and it fits our mod well.

 

[3Miro]

The Redcoat comes to late to be a good UU. And I realy think their current UU is historical and it fits our mod well.

Absolutely.

The point of the game with England is to make them into a superpower.

BTW merijn_v1 what was the issue with the text keys, when I was changing the interface I only changed the Financial advisor screen.

 

[The Turk]

In all fairness... England was not the powerhouse it became for most of the time span in the mod.

First off, I am quite surprised that you unblocked me. And yes you are right, England was not the powerhouse at the beginning of the game, but it most definitely was starting in the 14th century against France and especially later in the game's time frame.

The Redcoat comes to late to be a good UU. And I realy think their current UU is historical and it fits our mod well.

Really? I was thinking 1700's, so that they would have 100 years of using them. But I understand what you mean. Are there any other good UU's? English Heavy Knight perhaps?

 

[merijn_v1]

Really? I was thinking 1700's, so that they would have 100 years of using them. But I understand what you mean. Are there any other good UU's? English Heavy Knight perhaps?

IMO, the current one is the best UU for this mod.