RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread
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I coulden't agree more with civ_king
Cordoba should get reduced penalties, and I also agree with the Spain religion issue, I think certain countries should be forced to pick which religion they go with ie France, Spain, Papal States (yes I have seen protestanism spread to Rome) and the such, while Germany, England, Norway/Sweden should be forced to convert to Protestanism, but there should be a choice for the Eastern European countries, where it was less clear.
Also I think at a certain date catholic missionaries should spawn in the Pagan countries, namely Northern Europe (Vikings and such) and the British Isles, I think that would give a more realistic spread to Christianity throughout Europe
Cordoba should get reduced penalties, and I also agree with the Spain religion issue, I think certain countries should be forced to pick which religion they go with ie France, Spain, Papal States (yes I have seen protestanism spread to Rome) and the such, while Germany, England, Norway/Sweden should be forced to convert to Protestanism, but there should be a choice for the Eastern European countries, where it was less clear.
Also I think at a certain date catholic missionaries should spawn in the Pagan countries, namely Northern Europe (Vikings and such) and the British Isles, I think that would give a more realistic spread to Christianity throughout Europe
Duke of Awesome
Warlord
i dont know about France being FORCED to keep catholicism because if i recall they suffered a lot of civil unrest due to the reformation and it really could have gone either way though i dont know a lot about the subject so correct me if im wrong. i agree with some countries being forced to convert though like Iberia staying catholic but England and Germany being forced to convert. the rest should go either way
fireclaw722
Imperial Guard
What about the Dutch, they were largely Protestant, but the Belgians were largely Catholic, yet they were a unified country at one time, for what would be the later part of the game. They start just after the Reformation, so would you give them a Protestant Missionary, with a chance that they could still be Catholic, or would it be better to leave them blank and hope that they get Protestantism from Germany, If it is still around.
2phunkey4u
West-Eastern Divan
Numbers come by territory to be controlled, I think:
Normandy: Calais, Caen (2, both flipped to me in my game and France destabilized as a consequence)
Ile-de-France: Paris (1, bye bye Joan)
Britanny: Brest (1, in my game I razed Nantes and founded Brest on the tip of Britanny just to be sure I had a city exactly in that territory)
Acquitaine: Bordeaux (1)
That's 5 cities I got the UHV with. I didn't bother trying it with one less city in Normandy. Later, I also founded Angers off the coast between Bordeaux and Brest just to cultivate the open space there. Turned out to be a fairly good spot.
(Dunno either whether this thread is the right place. How about a strategy/UHV sub-forum with threads for each civ to discuss?)
I don't think England should be forced to convert to Protestant because no is quite sure whether it's more Catholic or ProtestantI coulden't agree more with civ_king
Cordoba should get reduced penalties, and I also agree with the Spain religion issue, I think certain countries should be forced to pick which religion they go with ie France, Spain, Papal States (yes I have seen protestanism spread to Rome) and the such, while Germany, England, Norway/Sweden should be forced to convert to Protestanism, but there should be a choice for the Eastern European countries, where it was less clear.
Also I think at a certain date catholic missionaries should spawn in the Pagan countries, namely Northern Europe (Vikings and such) and the British Isles, I think that would give a more realistic spread to Christianity throughout Europe
I don't think England should be forced to convert to Protestant because no is quite sure whether it's more Catholic or Protestant, France was kept Catholic by His Most Christian Majesty
JediClemente
Prince
The Netherlands and what is now Belgium weren't unified until 1815. That's out of RFCE's timeframe.
Duke of Awesome
Warlord
i didnt know whether to post this in feedback or not but whatever. in my Burgundy game i had just finished the first UHV and im starting to work toward Jerusalem when it hits me that i dont know how to be "eligible" for crusading. how can i be one of the 2 choices? turns out that that wouldnt have even helped because the only crusades happened for Constantinople and a city called "Salonicco" which i had no idea what it was plus Jerusalem was Arab at the time so that confused me
fireclaw722
Imperial Guard
But you can be playing until about 1850(but someone should have had won by then, it gets boring, etc etc...), and there is no Belgian civ in RFC:E so Holland can sorta(not saying it should, but it really does believe it or not) represent the whole Benelux Customs/Low Countries. But my question still remains, 'What would we do there?', as the Dutch were largely Protestant(a reason they didn't like their Hapsburg rulers).
Although this isn't meant to be a completely historical mod, so whatever. But giving the Dutch a Protestant missionary still allows the possibility of a Catholic Holland(if France/Burgundy is Catcholic, while Germany isn't present, or isn't to far west).
melfice420
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I personally think that some countries, really do need to get more missionaries, or at a certain date, have missionaries spawn at their borders. For example the far Eastern European civs (the Russian ones), although I understand that they were pagan at first (right?) they should spawn orthodox missionaries, to represent the conversion to Orthodox Christianity by the Byzantine Empire (I think the event was the baptism of Ivan III, after he married the Byzantine Princess). The same for the Nordic countries, the Vikings should have Catholic missionaries spawn at there borders at 1104, 1154 and 1164 to represent the creation of the Archdiocese in there country or pretty much have Catholic missionaries spawn any time between the 8th-12th century.
Also concerning the Cordobans UP, I think the power of medicine (or whatever it is called), is good, but I think the power of religious toleration would be better, because I would probably think that the Muslims rulers of Cordoba (and the general public) would have been a lot more accepting of Christians and Jews, then the public and royalty of Hungary. Hungary should have there UP changed to something more suitable, because although they were very accepting of "Different Ethnicities (one of there greatest generals was a Slovak)" I doubt they had much "religious tolerance", when doing a "ctrl+F" search on wikipedia, I couldn't find any mention of religious tolerance, but a lot of cases of ethnic tolerance, also when I typed in Jew, I found discrimination of Jews instead, so over all I think that perhaps you might want to have a sort of RFC America UP, where Hungary slowly takes in people, for there "ethnic" tolerance, or you could have increased happiness in the city, since there is a lot less ethnic strife in Hungary; but ultimately its up to you guys to come up with something.
merijn_v1
Black Belt
If you had been around last period, you would know that Hungary doesn't have it's religious toleration anymore. It's swapped to Poland. You said yourself that their current UP is good, so why are you "complaining"? (The last word isn't chosen well, due lack of a better word)
Ok, well then replace the word Hungary as Poland, because its pretty much the same thing, Religious tolerance for Cordoba was much higher than it was for Poland, and I'm sure you can find a better UP for Poland then that, not to mention Cordoba's UP of medicine, is a bit generalized to all Muslim countries which had that knowledge, that is why I think the Cordobans should have religious tolerance instead.
kochman
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The religious tolerance of Cordoba is highly overstated. Paying submission taxes, etc... the annual knock on the head... 2nd class citizen status for non-Muslims. It is overstated because it was the most tolerant of the Islamic empires, which are pretty darn intolerant.
Poland, on the other hand, actually invited the Jews to come live there. Not that they were perfect either.
Duke of Awesome
Warlord
as much as i hate to interrupt youre "whos more tolerant" contest but i experienced something weird in my Bulgaria game. when the Turks spawned they settled Bursa like normal but the Byzantines (which had collapsed earlier) had settled a city 2 tiles to the left of Bursa on the coast. what happened was apparently because the culture was surrounding them they declared war on the independents and Bursa was captured and they died. but then 2 turns later all the cities flipped to them like they hadnt died. this is probably a backup to ensure civs actually spawn but the big army that the Ottomans usually have was completely destroyed and it made them a pushover
Issos
Chieftain
It looks like perfect unusual situation for me! Really, on ruins of collapsed Byzantine Empire there is no new superpower, just total mess that consist of small countries. I really love such turns of action if they're not too often.
I don't want to repeat what i'm studing, i'd like to re-do history! So i need some randomess (sorry, i'm missing a word probably)
It would be awesome if sourrounding civs (eg Venice, Hungary, Bulgaria) would start invading those regions, and capturing some cities.
and an offtopic:
Speaking of tolerance problems... Turk, if You haven't found any word about religious tolerance in Poland or Hungary, then You have just found out why it isn't accepted as reliable source of knowledge
<the fact that there in nothing about it in wikipedia, proves only that wikipedia isn't reliable source of knowledge, that was my pointand an offtopic:
Speaking of tolerance problems... Turk, if You haven't found any word about r tolerance in Poland or Hungary, then You have just found out why it isn't accepted as reliable source of knowledge
Sorry I'm a bit confused, could you please rephrase.
@kochman
I would think that the Jews and Christians in Al-Andalus would have been a lot happier their, then in Eastern Europe at the same time (no offense to any Eastern Europeans). You have to realize that the "tax" or jizya, as its known in Arabic, applied to all Christians and Jews, therefore exempting them from military service, and at times this tax was removed completly (especially during times of peace, which were quite abundent). I should also remind you that many Christians and mostly Jews actually, welcomed the coming of the Al-Andalus to Spain, as they threw off the barbaric Visigoths from Spain all together, and in the wake of the Arab/Berber invasion, a large wave of higher culture and scientific understanding washed across Spain, a lot of this was contributed to Jews and Christians as well, who took part in the research as well, and the common well being of the people. And I can absoulty assure you that a Jew in Al-Andalus (overall) would have been much happier their then in Eastern Europe, especially considering the fact that Al-Andalus had hunderds of public libraries, baths, street lamps, things that would not come to the rest of Europe until around the 18th century. And although, sure, there was the occasional Muslim fanatical ruler, who persecuted Jews, we have to remember that for most of the time, some of the closest people to the Emir/local ruler were Jews and Christians. There are tons of reports of Jews and Christians having very high positions in the burracuracy in Al-Andalus, and I doubt this was the same in Poland at the same time, especially considering they would have been stuck in the European Dark Ages.
So that is why the Cordobans should have the UP of Religious tolerance, because it much better suits them overall, I think that there can be another better UP for Poland, which we can find, and since we have a supposed Pole with us, "Issos", I think he can come up with a better UP for them
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