RFC Europe: Small bugs/fixes

[micbic]

Plz move Lisboa as starting site 1S. Thx
EDIT: Anyway, I did it. I hope you do not disagree.

 

[jessiecat]

Just reporting a bug with Sweden's UHV conditions. The Victory conditions and the Civilopedia both says "3 cities west or south of the Baltic" while the UHV map shows it as 3 cities "south and east". Anyway I got all 3 conditions by 1750 yet the Victory screen still says "not yet" after 20 more turns. So this is definitely bugged.

 

[krieger546]

I'm wondering if this is a bug or a really mean feature.

Played as the Byzantines. When Arabs spawned, killed them before they could settle.

The Arabs are destroyed, yay!

Then some units deserted & I was asked to flip two cities. I'm at war with Arabs again.

Agreed with the flip & took the cities back the same turn.

The Arabs are destroyed, yay?

More units start flipping & I'm at war with Arabs again...

 

[st.lucifer]

I'm wondering if this is a bug or a really mean feature.

Played as the Byzantines. When Arabs spawned, killed them before they could settle.

The Arabs are destroyed, yay!

Then some units deserted & I was asked to flip two cities. I'm at war with Arabs again.

Agreed with the flip & took the cities back the same turn.

The Arabs are destroyed, yay?

More units start flipping & I'm at war with Arabs again...

That's a standard RFC thing. It's tough to kill off a spawning civ completely - you're usually better off waiting a few turns and attacking them after they've settled in.

 

[BurnEmDown]

I think there's a small bug with converting to Protestantism.
It says all the buildings will be replaced but the normal churches which give and 1 culture aren't replaced.
Also all the Catholic religions stay in all your cities, so you can just build all their monastries again and you'll get the bonuses from both Protestantism and Catholicism, I think it's more balanced to remove all Catholic religion from your cities as well.

 

[Panopticon]

I think there's a small bug with converting to Protestantism.
It says all the buildings will be replaced but the normal churches which give and 1 culture aren't replaced.
Also all the Catholic religions stay in all your cities, so you can just build all their monastries again and you'll get the bonuses from both Protestantism and Catholicism, I think it's more balanced to remove all Catholic religion from your cities as well.

My understanding is that SOME of the Catholic cities lose the Protestant religion. Some of the bigger cities will keep it. You do get bonuses, but you also deal with religious instability, and in RFC Europe you will only get faith points from one religion.

 

[BurnEmDown]

Ah yes I forgot about the points you could lose from building religious buildings that don't belong to your religion.
Still it will be nice to have Protestant churches instead of Catholic if I want to switch to it and the Catholic religion removed from my cities to remove instabilities and stuff.
And in my experience 100% of my cities got Protestantism when I chose to convert but they all kept their Catholic religion so basically what I'm saying is that it can be either very bad or very good that there are 2 religions in all my cities (or more).
And it seems more realistic if instead of all my cities getting Protestantism added maybe only 80% of the cities will be affected and will also lose Catholicism and the other 20% I'll have to convert myself.

 

[3Miro]

Ah yes I forgot about the points you could lose from building religious buildings that don't belong to your religion.
Still it will be nice to have Protestant churches instead of Catholic if I want to switch to it and the Catholic religion removed from my cities to remove instabilities and stuff.
And in my experience 100% of my cities got Protestantism when I chose to convert but they all kept their Catholic religion so basically what I'm saying is that it can be either very bad or very good that there are 2 religions in all my cities (or more).
And it seems more realistic if instead of all my cities getting Protestantism added maybe only 80% of the cities will be affected and will also lose Catholicism and the other 20% I'll have to convert myself.

If you convert to Protestantism on the turn with the popup (i.e. Reformation):
- All of your cities get Protestantism
- All cities with population above 7 will keep Catholicism and have two religions
- If a city keeps both religions, then there is a 50% chance for a Catholic building to become protestant (rolled separately for each building)

In your case, you just lost some of the random rolls and did not get all the buildings.

If you do not get Protestantism in all your cities, then it will be less beneficial to convert (especially for the AI).

 

[BurnEmDown]

I see, I still think Catholicism should be removed from all cities that convert, but if you think this way it's better then I'm fine with that too.

 

[3Miro]

I see, I still think Catholicism should be removed from all cities that convert, but if you think this way it's better then I'm fine with that too.

I left Catholicism in many cities to encourage historically accurate religious prosecutions. Otherwise nations would simply flip one way or another and the only prosecutions would take place during war between Catholic and Protestant nations. St. Bartholomew's Day massacre was French vs French as were many others.

 

[st.lucifer]

I left Catholicism in many cities to encourage historically accurate religious prosecutions. Otherwise nations would simply flip one way or another and the only prosecutions would take place during war between Catholic and Protestant nations. St. Bartholomew's Day massacre was French vs French as were many others.

I think the way you handled it is perfect, and I wouldn't change anything about it. It's a good solution, and by the time the Reformation happens, most cities can build their religious buildings in a handful of turns anyway.

 

[Morholt]

Just noticed that the Swedish leader is called Gustavus I. But the leaderhead is clearly Gustavus II (aka Gustav Adolf or Gustavus Adolphus) and not Gustavus I (aka Gustav Vasa).

 

[Morholt]

One more. Barb Cogs and War Galleys spawn in Ocean tiles, but since they cannot move in Ocean, they just sit there doing nothing.

 

[Power_of_Beer]

One thing about the Polish UHV, have most faith points of all Catholic nations:
Is it intended that you lose all faith points when the Reformation kicks in? I had about 25 faith points and lost all of them when Protestantism spread to half of my cities.... tried hard to spawn Great Priests and accumulated about 15 faith points which were not enough in the end.

 

[3Miro]

One thing about the Polish UHV, have most faith points of all Catholic nations:
Is it intended that you lose all faith points when the Reformation kicks in? I had about 25 faith points and lost all of them when Protestantism spread to half of my cities.... tried hard to spawn Great Priests and accumulated about 15 faith points which were not enough in the end.

Protestants lower your Catholic faith (naturally). The way out is to prosecute protestants out of your cities.

 

[Power_of_Beer]

Yes, I tried this, but the prosecutions didn't give me faith points (back).

 

[3Miro]

Yes, I tried this, but the prosecutions didn't give me faith points (back).

So you got no extra faith points for prosecutions? Do you have a savegame?

 

[fdgsgds]

Persecution takes away too much stability IMO. As Arabia I had persecution instability for over 80 turns. Whoops.

I was going through screenshots and thought these were funny. The first one is something that should probably be fixed and the second one is a real bug. Religion is weird...

Also, as Poland, I lost all of my faith points when Protestantism was founded and I didn't even convert.

 

[3Miro]

Persecution takes away too much stability IMO. As Arabia I had persecution instability for over 80 turns. Whoops.

I was going through screenshots and thought these were funny. The first one is something that should probably be fixed and the second one is a real bug. Religion is weird...

Also, as Poland, I lost all of my faith points when Protestantism was founded and I didn't even convert.

Even if you do not convert to Protestantism, it still spreads to your cities and thus you lose Faith. Prosecute those Protestants out and rebuild the Churches and Monasteries that converted.

80 turns of Prosecution instability means 8 cities, for an average empire of size 12, prosecuting 8 cities should result in massive penalties. Maybe shorter, but stronger penalty would be better. I will think about it.

I did not understand what was wrong with the screenshots that you posted. Could you comment on what we are supposed to look at?

 

[micbic]

Here is what I understand:
1) The Great General Harald Hardrada died in combat, while we have a leader named Harald Hardrada
2) He recieved a religion relation bonus from the Pope, and he was not Catholic.