RFC "Training" SG?

[AnotherPacifist]

The Christian Cathedral in Pompeii was to flip Rome eventually with our culture (when we switch to free speech it'll be easy). Oh well, it's useless now, unless Maax is a military genius and can save our Greek and Italian holdings...

I hope Hattusas is building the Statue of Liberty--I think we have more potential for expansion in Asia than Europe, and since we traded it to Netherlands, they're probably going to start the Statue soon.

And the 2 turn anarchy is going to cost us dearly with stability (didn't I save 2 great people for that)?

 

[blizzrd]

Turn 0: 1665AD
OK, situation looks a bit dodgy to say the least. We have with England, Germany, France (and their vassal Aztec), Vikings and Russia. Our vassals in Portugal and Arabia are not going to assist us in any real way.

The only positive I can take out of the foreign situation is that Germany is also at war with almost everyone else too: France (and Aztec), Vikings, England, Russia and also Spain. So perhaps Germany will focus on another target before us?

For some reason, we have no naval transport in the Mediterranean any longer. Apparently Quotey sent our Galleon on a round-the-world trip and it got sunk. This was not a good idea at all. Frigates and Caravels can go on sailing trips, but Galleons are not exploratory vessels. We need another Galleon immediately which will require some whipping probably in Atina.

We for some reason have a surplus of Great Scientists in Istanbul. All up we have 2 GS and 1 GA cooling their heels in the capital. I immediately settle a GS in Istanbul.

Our Egyptian cities are losing food due to working the wrong tiles and this is easily fixed. Luxor switches from starting a Hamman to building a Christian Temple instead. Need the extra hammers effect with a Temple rather than the extra health with a Hamman. Switch Mekkhe to build a Christian Temple rather than an Observatory. Nineveh has a Cannon on defense (!) which I start moving towards the European front lines. Move a Longbow from Hattusas across to garrison Nineveh instead.

Switch Hattusas to Statue of Liberty (11 turns) rather than Cannon production. Sur is building an Islamic Missionary (??) but will finish next turn. Sur still doesn't have a Christian Temple though, so will build this next.

China is pleased with us and has 8GPT available. I beg, they give their 8GPT.
Netherlands is also pleased with us. I beg their 60G and they donate it to us. This will all help shortly with the upcoming upgrades to Rifles of our troops. Arabia is Unstable, but I can only liberate either Mekka or Kudus to them. I would consider giving up the Egyptian cities, but don't actually want to part with Mekka. We can always vassalize Persia before 1870 if we have to find another local small-fry civ to be our vassal, should Arabia collapse.

Oh, and don't fret AP, there is a Christian Cathedral in Pompeii. I also thought from reading Quotey's post that we had lost 2 turns of our GA in anarchy but it would appear that our civics haven't been altered (yet).

 

[Maaximillus]

Ok have fun playing your turns. And also we should not lose pompei. I understand that it is very hard to hold but it has church of nativy and some other cool and importand buidings.

 

[blizzrd]

Turn 1: 1670AD
Kill a Cannon, then lose a Janissary near Dirac to a German invading Rifleman. Get a Great General. Whip a Galleon in Atina. Open borders with China and sign DPs with China and also Netherlands for the extra stability.

Turn 2: 1675AD
Apostolic Palace votes required on decision to stop trading with Arabia. I vote never. Communism researched. Pick Physics next (5 turns, but that is counting our current GA research level). Bulb a Great Scientist towards Physics, which will now complete as our Golden age ends (3 more turns).

Vikings capture (temporarily?) Milan from Germany!

Luxor has its borders reduced by Ethiopian culture and is again losing food. Temple finished in Luxor this turn, but now will need a Christian Cathedral and Theatre here also. Maybe even National Gallery after that too. A barbarian Camel archer approaches Buto. Shuffle some military units around in Egypt to cover for it. (Finally) build some overdue Christian Temples in Mecca and Kudus.

Kill a German Rifle with a Grenadier. Transfer some more troops into Pompeii. Germany doesn't seem to be moving out of Rome though, nor is it using its large stack there to retake Milan. AI Germany might be just trying to prevent a flip with these units? We have Rome surrounded with our culture on 3 sides at the moment. In order to retake Milan, Germany leaves only one Rifle defending Klagenburg. I move a stack of Janissaries and a Curiassier within striking distance for our next turn.

Trade stone to Persia for 5GPT. Clam to Japan for 4GPT. Spain has 2GPT available. Cancel our Clam for 5GPT deal with Spain and immediately renegotiate Clam for 7GPT instead. Open Borders with Spain. Trade them our world map for 150G.

Turn 3: 1680AD
Infiltrate Klagenfurt with our Great Spy. Steal Rifling from Rome (~1500 espionage points cost). Our posturing around Klagenfurt has caused Germany to slightly delay the retaking of Milan. But now they have some Cavalry units adjacent to the Viking-controlled city, which will surely fall next turn as only Crossbows are defending.

Our frigate tears up some French fishing boats in Central America. Trade Sheep to Inca for 3GPT.

Turn 4: 1685AD
Germany recaptures Milan. Physics comes in just as our Golden Age (temporarily) ends. Pick Electricity next, for all those Windmills and Watermills that can (and should) build. A new Great Scientist is born in Istanbul with Physics, on cue.

Big switch of civics to Universal Suffrage/Free Speech/Emancipation/State Property/Free Religion. The Democratic Turkish Empire will prevail! Enter another Golden Age using Great Scientist and Great Artist. Did I pick the correct civics? I think until we get to Cristo Redentor, we should be in these, whilst we turtle out the current war epidemic and also the pending plague. I've built a number of jails and courthouses to handle the war instability so far, but still some more to be built.

Our economy is going gangbusters again, which will help to upgrade our outdated military some more. Germany can be held off now, probably they will collapse soon anyway. Vikings and Russia also may collapse at any moment. When the next plague arrives (soon?) it may tip some of these civs over the brink.

Statue of Liberty in Hattusas in 7 more turns.

Turn 5: 1690AD
Reposition our spy in Rom. We are back at Solid thanks to the Golden Age (7 turns still to go of this one, plus the Triumphal Arch-inspired extra turns beginning soon in 1700AD). Trade wheat to Ethiopia for 3GPT. Trade another wheat to Spain for cow.

Turn 6: 1695AD
Capture and Raze Tiraspol (Russian). Make peace with Russia for 190G and 9GPT and their WM. Now we can transfer some military to focus on Germany. Open Borders with Russia. More troop upgrades.

Turn 7: 1700AD
Great Scientist born in Istanbul, keep for now. Our spy in Rom is captured. Begin building another.

Build a couple of workers, we seem to have lost many of those that I was last using 40 turns ago . More troop upgrades. Pompeii looks fine now, I don't think Germany is going to come out of Rome.

Turn 8: 1703AD
Triumphal Arch is built in Istanbul for the 2/3 UHV. 13 turns of Golden Age to follow now. Keep building our infrastructure, such as Jails and Banks.

After bombarding a few French and Aztec cities in Central America, France is now willing to accept peace (and gift us 80G). Open Borders with them and trade Marble for 8GPT. Open Borders with Aztecs also. Portugal finally claims the Whale, which I demand from them.

Turn 9: 1706AD
Uneventful. A replacement spy arrives in Rom.

Turn 10: 1709AD
Begin bombarding Klagenfurt. Learn Electricity. Start Steam Power next, we have plenty of worker improvements (windmills and watermills) which we should start building now and 50% improved worker rates are good. Radio (Cristo Redentor and Eiffel Tower) probably to follow Stean Power.

Make peace with Vikings for 80G. Open Borders with them. Trade wheat for 8GPT. Trade Horse to Japan for Rice. Statue of Liberty will complete in Hattusas next turn, I'm going to play an 11th turn to finish this wonder and then post a save.

Turn 11: 1712AD
Plague starts in Japan. We should build some more Hammans in cities which don't currently have one. Our spy in Rom is captured again. State of Liberty is completed. Bombard Klagenfurt's defences down to 0%. Ready to invade/attack after some suicide Cannon work on our next turn.

Future Objectives
We need one more vassal. Plenty of candidates to choose from. We don't currently have contact with Mali, although our Frigate is heading that way shortly. We are several techs ahead of everyone else, so we could just about bombard our way to victory against any particular civ and gain a capitulation. Certainly before the 1870 deadline shouldn't be a problem.

We should make maximum use out of the windmill and watermill bonuses that Electricity allows us. Farms on rivers should be replaced by watermills and some of our mines on hills should be replaced with windmills where there isn't a resource that actually needs to be mined.

We have a Great Scientist waiting in the capital with nothing particular to do at this point in time. Many of our cities have Great Generals settled inside them, so we shouldn't need to actually switch to Theocracy or Vassalage to further expand our military.

 

[blizzrd]

Another thought: it may be worth founding a new city to the north of Kilia.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Great save, blizzrd. I'm glad you're winning the war for us (partly due to your military genius and partly due to the stupidity of the AI not sending their stack towards Pompeii).

I would have stayed in representation for the science, but US is good for expansion and upgrading, especially after Kremlin. The only downside is that we can't whip now with emancipation, which I like to do when the plague's going to hit us. Maybe democracy should have been delayed...

It might be time to close borders with China (if at all possible) to avoid the plague, which should be possible since it's been 10 turns. But if Netherlands (China's vassal) gets it, everybody will get it.

 

[blizzrd]

Our science is much the same between representation and democracy actually. We had 70% science under representation and were making just about break even GPT, whereas under democracy we have 80% and are making +100GPT. We could sit on 90% science under democracy and break even, but the money is useful for upgrades and perhaps rushing of buildings after the Kremlin is built.

Netherlands isn't a vassal of China. Ethiopia and Khmer are China's vassals. Aztec is France's vassal. Everyone else is on their own merit (with many collapsing or about to with the latest plague).

I wouldn't stress too much about the latest plague. Sure, close some borders perhaps but I think it is going to reach us even if we do. So perhaps not closing borders is overall better for the extra trade we will generate in the meantime.

As for military genius, it didn't take much to realise that we needed some more troops in Pompeii and we needed a boat to get them there. If Germany had attacked at the start of my set no way we could have survived, but given the delay, by about 5 turns in we were pretty solid again in Pompeii. I think Vikings were actually a bigger problem for Germany at the start of my turn set. That and the fact that Germany had just captured Saint Petersburg from Russia and was still trying to hold it at the same time.

Would you found the city on my screenshot AP?

 

[Maaximillus]

Playing and posting my turns today or tomorrow.

 

[Maaximillus]

Well I have now played 5 turns. The situation is... better than I expected

News today:
Russia and Turkey launched succesfull counter attack into germanys territory.
Saint-peterspurg has been recaptured by russia and frankfurt has fallen to turkey forces. After fall of frankfurt germany made peace with turkey, spain and france and is now focusing against russia. Also plague from Japan has already infested china mongolia and turkey. It is also expected that plague will spread to whole europe and remaining Asia.

 

[Quotey]

Great job on saving us from Europe, guys! I like blizzrd's city.

IIRC, Netherlands broke off from China in my set. Right after I traded for Rep Parts.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

We captured Frankfurt?! How the heck did we get over there? And even though it's a great city, it's going to be tough to defend.

I was just going to say that the extra city north of Kilia is going to be strategically tough to defend, since it can be attacked from either side by Moscow or Berlin. Did we flip Rome or something and have OB with France?

 

[blizzrd]

We did have OB with France, but I was preparing to attack Klagenfurt, not Frankfurt at the end of my turn set.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I forgot to mention that the respawning of Rome after Germany becomes too unstable will probably snatch Pompeii from us, so better flip Rome soon (which has about 3-4 wonders I remember, way overpowering our Church of the Nativity, even if Rome becomes just independent).

 

[Maaximillus]

We did have OB with France, but I was preparing to attack Klagenfurt, not Frankfurt at the end of my turn set.

LOL yeah sorry guys but blizzrd is right it was Klagenfurt not Frankfurt that i captured German city names are so hard to remember.

 

[JujuLautre]

Lurker's comment:

This SG lacks of screenshots, I don't see how we can follow it

 

[blizzrd]

How about loading the save game(s)?

 

[Maaximillus]

Yeah it lacks screenshots. And blizzrd i dont know any1 who would mass-dl savegames just to watch the game. Il be posting some extra-screenshots then(hoah)

 

[Quotey]

Yeah it lacks screenshots. And blizzrd i dont know any1 who would mass-dl savegames just to watch the game. Il be posting some extra-screenshots then(hoah)

Ooh, look at mister crowd pleaser!

Yeah, more screens from me too, maybe. But nothing interesting ever happens in my sets.

 

[Maaximillus]

Turn 0 - 1712 AD

We are at war with England and Germany. But it currently looks like we are winning this war. Atleast until that big stack at roma starts to move. 10 turns of golden age left.

Turn 1 - 1715 AD

Plague spreads to mongolia, china and... turkey... Victoria won apostolic alace vote. After suiciding some cannons Klagenfurt falls. Germany is willing to make peace and give us world map. I agree because im still afraid of that stack in roma. We sign open borders with germany.

Turn 2 - 1718 AD

Plague spreads to Spain, Germany, Dutch, France and England.
England still not willing to make peace with us.
And LOL look at this independant city.


Turn 3 - ???? AD

Plague spread to persia. ( my brain somehow skipped this turn but nothing importand happened).
And oh yeah steam power finished and radio started.

Turn 4 - 1724 AD

That Khmer alien came asking for military science. I did not give it to it.
Mali founded and they are currently not willing to become our vassals. Made open borders with mali. Made ivory for clam trade with mali. Made stone for clam and sheep trade with germany.

Turn 5 - 1727 AD

Plague spread to russia. Ethiopia stopped being chinas vassal so if mali does not vassalise then ethiopia could. saint-petersburg is captured by russia. Our only frigate is sunk after being ambushed by english navy near mali. Before the ship sank it took one english frigate down.
NDPT (National Democratic Popular Turkey) made peace with England. They gave us 95 gold also.

Turn 6 - 1730 AD

Mali came begging for printing press. No, they did not get it. Archimedes, great engineer has born.
Ethiopia has agreed to become englands vassal.
Some guy with wird name said that we are most biggest civ in world. second biggest is russia.

Turn 7 - 1733 AD

Nothing importand. Few peaces are made in europe.

Turn 8 - 1736 AD

New gongress in 2 turns ofc I joined it. America borned And I took NOT
controll of it. China stopped the "trade" to give us 8 free GNP.

Turn 9 - 1739 AD

I decided not to bribe as I have never done and I have no idea how to do it.
Togugawa asked us to declare war on spain. I said no. Radio finished and we entered modern age. I started to tech assembly line (time for infantry ). Started Eiffel tower in istanbul.

Turn 10 - 1742 AD

Gongress started. Togugawa got Wonsan. Darius 1 got Delhi. I asked for no cities as only good cities we could get were russian or german and very hard to defend. William got Visa-somethingtoohardtorememberevenafterlookingatitfor5minutes. Frederik wanted pompei... I voted no ofc.Yes wins... I decided not to give the city. We have defencive pacts and two small stacks next to germany. If they want a world war they will get a world war. Napolean got frankfurt from germany. isabella got lol caesarea. USA met. Darius 1 cancelled stone for 5 GNP. Ethiopia came asking for us to declare war against USA. No way dude.

So germany declared war on us. We were lucky and only germany declared war against us its now We + our vassals + china + his vassals versus germany alone.


Stuff for next guy.

You are in war with germany. Just win that war.
We got great engineer in luxor you could use him to rush a wonder.
Speaking of wonders we can buils 3-4 wonders so start building them.
Once you get peace with germany settle the city that blizzrd wanted.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Sigh, why won't people bribe a little to save the little pacifist some grief?

We should have sailed to New England to meet the Americans, give them a map to make them pleased with us, and then if England declares on them, sometimes they will vassalize (not now since we just made peace with England). Oh well.

I'm probably going to save the GE for the Pentagon at the end of my move. We don't need Cristo as much as military at this time.