Rhye's and Fall of Asia - Version 1.0

[2phunkey4u]

What's lacking here? According to the map Dali doesn't count for SE Asia... Should I not have razed Angkor and Pagan?

 

[Civciv5]

Nanendra?
Was that a real leader?
I can't find anything about him on wikipedia.

I was playing as the Yuezhi and:
-Cities:-20??????????? My cities were prosperous!
-Civics:-10?????? My empire was prosperous!
-Economy:+25
-Expansion:-5
-Foreign:-12????

I collapsed and now I hate the ridicilous,unrealistic stability system,in RFCA.

 

[civ-addicted]

I will upload a files which contains the artfiles. Then you have ore time to finish your things for the next version, but the players can play the mod properly.

I just have tonight to play, so i concentrate on fixing the reported bugs, to upload a patch that doesn't need an extra patch for itself

I have RL stress again, so i don't know if i manage a new version next week, but i'll try.

What's lacking here? According to the map Dali doesn't count for SE Asia... Should I not have razed Angkor and Pagan?

Faulty code again, i relyed too much on already coded methods which doesn't do what i want. I coded something new which requires you to own all cities and a fair part of all plots in SE Asia, what i actually intended.
You almost did want i wanted you to do, but you need more of Burma next time

Nanendra?
Was that a real leader?
I can't find anything about him on wikipedia.

it's a typo. It's Narendra, and i've just choosen him because he's the late Vengi Chalukya leader with the longest Wiki text, so no hard feelings of one thinks that Narendra isn't important enough.

Spoiler :

I never, ever ever have seen this before and hope to never see it again
And i'm not talking about the free Archer...

Thanks for all the feedback

 

[2phunkey4u]

I coded something new which requires you to own all cities and a fair part of all plots in SE Asia, what i actually intended.
You almost did want i wanted you to do, but you need more of Burma next time

I don't like that too much. In RFC, conquering means having more cities than another faction in a certain territory. In SoI it's to be the only faction to have cities in a certain territory (but another faction may have cultural control over plots). In RFCE you can even conquer a territory by just covering it with culture entirely. I prefer the SoI method.

Different thing:
What benefits does Hellenism give apart from enabling the Gymnasion? No science, no culture?

 

[civ-addicted]

I don't like that too much. In RFC, conquering means having more cities than another faction in a certain territory. In SoI it's to be the only faction to have cities in a certain territory (but another faction may have cultural control over plots). In RFCE you can even conquer a territory by just covering it with culture entirely. I prefer the SoI method.

It was just a spontaneous idea, i can easily drop it.

Different thing:
What benefits does Hellenism give apart from enabling the Gymnasion? No science, no culture?

A little extra , like +1 per 3 or 4 resources controlled. It adds up if you have a lot of cities.

Looks good, but I just thought of something. I remembered that I saw this unit a long time ago... wouldn't this be a better spearman for the greeks? The other one looks maybe a bit too much greek if you ask me, and this is more the Indo-Greeks, so the army would probably consist of more local people, though using of course greek-inspired weaponry and equipment.

I'll give it a try, but i don't think that he will be part of today's patch. Nevermind, it was easier than i thought.

 

[Civciv5]

Today I claimed the MoH as the...Chalukyas!
It was very difficult.
First the Chola collapsed and I conquered their cities.
There are a ridicilous amount of barbarian infantry and camel archers near Bharuch.
The Delhi Sultanate was a "blessing" for me,the barbs stopped spawning.
When I was building my army the Sultanate suddenly declared war on me.
They first took Varanasi,which I soon took back.
Then I destroyed Ujjain,I don't wanted to conquer India because I don't have the time,so I made peace with them.
I sent my army to Zhongdu(Beijing) and conquered it.
A few turns later I built a palace and became the Yao Empire.
Again I declared war on Vietnam without a reason,Vietnam was the vassal of Nanzhao.
The yellow alien(Siam) declared war on me for absurd reasons.

 

[merijn_v1]

A bug I spotted on the screenshot:
Panijn is a capital of the Independents. IIRC, the Independents shouldn't have a capitol.

 

[Civciv5]

You are right,how did that happened?

Why is Chengdu named Shu as a barbarian city?
Shu was a "barbarian state",not a city.
Why is Sri Jayawardenapura Kotte or Colombo named Polonnaruwa?
Polonnaruwa is the kingdom that ruled Sri Lanka from 1000s-1310,neither a city.
Please name cities as cities and not nations or empires.

Some places need improvement on the city names map.
Mongolia founds Begram in the Takla Makan desert.
Mongolia founds Sarai in China,Sarai was a city in South Russia.
Khmer founds Singhala(Sri Lanka) in Malaysia.
Vietnam founds Ha Tinh in Laos.
Etcetera

Majapahit units standing in the water,without ship!(again)

I never have Tibet seen so powerfull,most of the time the Mongols destroy them.
I think Tibetan is the adjective of Tibet,not Tibetian.

 

[2phunkey4u]

Shu was a "barbarian state",not a city.

c-a has explained to give some cities the names of smaller polities they represent. Take Ji in NE China as another example.

On a different note:
Ghaznavid UHV3 is bugged. It auto-completes on turn 2.

 

[Leoreth]

I think Tibetan is the adjective of Tibet,not Tibetian.

Immediately caught my eye in your screenshot as well, and Merriam-Webster agrees with you.

 

[civ-addicted]

A bug I spotted on the screenshot:
Panijn is a capital of the Independents. IIRC, the Independents shouldn't have a capitol.

I really have no idea

Why is Chengdu named Shu as a barbarian city?
Shu was a "barbarian state",not a city.
Why is Sri Jayawardenapura Kotte or Colombo named Polonnaruwa?
Polonnaruwa is the kingdom that ruled Sri Lanka from 1000s-1310,neither a city.
Please name cities as cities and not nations or empires.

There were many states named Shu having Chengdu as their capital, and i think it adds a nice flavor.
Polonnaruwa was a city, according to Wiki, and the Kingdom was named after its capital. On the other hand Colombo is an old city and has different names, so it will be better.

Some places need improvement on the city names map.
Mongolia founds Begram in the Takla Makan desert.
Mongolia founds Sarai in China,Sarai was a city in South Russia.
Khmer founds Singhala(Sri Lanka) in Malaysia.
Vietnam founds Ha Tinh in Laos.
Etcetera

That's what happens if civs start to build cities outside their citynamemap. Mongolia doesn't have one at all; but their starting settlers will be reduced anyway.

I never have Tibet seen so powerfull,most of the time the Mongols destroy them.
I think Tibetan is the adjective of Tibet,not Tibetian.

Consider it done.

Ghaznavid UHV3 is bugged. It auto-completes on turn 2.

And once again you beat me. You didn't found your capital on turn 1... I'll make it cheat-free.

 

[civ-addicted]

The patch's patch is up. Apart from the music module, it's exactly the same version that i have right now. So there shouldn't be any files missing; which also means it's much bigger.

The next step is to make Ghaznavids, Jurchen, Delhi and Siam more aggressive (UNIT_AI_LEMMING?) most of all, then i can go and start balancing the post-Tang game. With a little luck, there will be v1.1 next week, some more patches, and if things go out as planned for me, the mod and everything, v1.2 will be there when Spring arrives.

 

[Civciv5]

Polonnaruwa was indeed a city,but in the middle of Sri Lanka not on coast.
It was not founded(or of any importance) before the Kingdom of Polonnaruwa.
I would rather change the city and preplace Anuradhapura,which was founded in the 5th century BC.

Maybe you can add some wonders?
Maybe the Great Stupa of Sanchi?
I have the graphics for it,I can send it to you of you consider it.
Maybe you can also add some Sri Lankan wonders.
Examples are:Jetavanaramaya,Ruwanwelisaya,Sigiriya,Gal Vihara
I have the graphics for Sigiriya,I can send you them if you consider it.
All these wonders can give some culture and happiness.
Jetavanaramaya can give 2 free Buddhist missionaries.
Ruwanwelisaya can give +50% culture.
Sigiriya,reduces maintenance,+ 2 free artists
Gal Vihara gives +2 culture per building of state religion and +20 building production in cities with state religion.
Great Stupa of Sanchi gives +4000 culture in city that is built,no unhappines in city.
Maybe also the Banaue Rice Terraces,Platyping can give some inspiration.
I have more ideas...

Maybe you can add some events
-660 AD-Empress Wu Zetian of China becomes de facto leader of the Tang Dynasty(Only if you Tang is alive and weak or collapsing)
Spawns "barbarians" who try to conquer China.If they succeed in capturing Chang'an then the next event happens
-690 AD-Wu Zetian seizes the throne of China and proclaims herself empress regnant of the Zhou Dynasty of China
Zhou respawns with Wu Zetian as leader and claims the MoH
-327 BC-Alexander the Great of the Macedonian Empire invades India and Afghanistan!
Spawns barbarian units,if they succeed in conquering Afghanistan then the Indo-Greek Kingdom is spawned otherwise not(conditional spawn)
-30 AD The Kushan Empire is established!(only if Tochorians is not alive)
Forms respawn of Yuezhi as Kushan with Begram as capital
-If Chola collapses then in 1017 the Kingdom of Polonnaruwa is established with ? as leader

 

[civ-addicted]

I can't open th 7z file, even as I use 7z as my unzip program

I had some troubles uploading it. I just check for myself and reupload if necessary.

Polonnaruwa was indeed a city,but in the middle of Sri Lanka not on coast.
It was not founded(or of any importance) before the Kingdom of Polonnaruwa.
I would rather change the city and preplace Anuradhapura,which was founded in the 5th century BC.

It's gonna be hard finding a plot on Sri Lanka that is not coastal on this map
The 3 tiles on the north of Sri Lanka is reserved for Jaffna, which is also the capital of respawned Chola, so no place there. Chola is the only civ that will ever settle there, and a second city won't be necessary nor wise, so Jaffna will control all of Sri Lanka (no nitpicking there...)

Maybe you can add some wonders?
Maybe the Great Stupa of Sanchi?
I have the graphics for it,I can send it to you of you consider it.
Maybe you can also add some Sri Lankan wonders.
Examples are:Jetavanaramaya,Ruwanwelisaya,Sigiriya,Gal Vihara
I have the graphics for Sigiriya,I can send you them if you consider it.
All these wonders can give some culture and happiness.
Jetavanaramaya can give 2 free Buddhist missionaries.
Ruwanwelisaya can give +50% culture.
Sigiriya,reduces maintenance,+ 2 free artists
Gal Vihara gives +2 culture per building of state religion and +20 building production in cities with state religion.
Great Stupa of Sanchi gives +4000 culture in city that is built,no unhappines in city.
Maybe also the Banaue Rice Terraces,Platyping can give some inspiration.
I have more ideas...

I'm fine with early and mid-game wonders. If a civ in human hands needs a buff in some direction, i consider adding a wonder for them (which they build in history, of course). For the late game, a wonder for Delhi or Majapahit could be added, if it could help achieving one of their UHVs (i maybe redo Delhi UHV wise, also add some art from SoI).
Thanks nevertheless.


EDIT: Download works properly. Please work oh lord please please work

 

[Civciv5]

I have Chola never seen respawn.
If they respawn are they still named as "Chola"?
Maybe you can change the name to "Kingdom of Polonnaruwa/Sri lanka" if they respawn,Lilavati was never queen of the Chola.
Altough her husband conquered parts of the Chola Empire and Burma.
Sri Lanka seems totally eradicated from this mod!

This is a list of all wonders that are in the game,by country(shrines not included):
China:7:Great Wall,Grand Canal,Forbidden City,Temple of Heaven,Famen Si,Porcelain Tower,Xian Mosque
India:4:Qutb Minar,Gol Gumbaz,Nalanda University
Afghanistan:1:Bamyan Buddha Statues
Pakistan:2:Great Bath,Great Granary
Iran:1:Arg-e-Bam???Iran isn't even on the map!
Tibet:2:Jokhang,Potala Palace
Nepal:0
Bhutan:0
Kyrgyztan:0
Uzbekistan:0
Turkmenistan:0
Kazakhstan:0
Tajikistan:0
Sri Lanka:0
Bangladesh:0
Burma:1:Shwedagon Paya
Thailand:0
Laos:1ha That Luang
Cambodia:1:Angkor Wat
Vietnam:0
Indonesia:2:Borobudur,Prambanan
Malaysia:0
Brunei:0
Philippines:0
Japan:3:Izumo Shrine,Itsukushima Shrine,Himeji Castle
Korea:2:Changdeokgung,Cheomseongdae
Unspecified:1:Great Harbor
I'm sure I forgot some wonders,please correct me
Many countries have no wonders and are all in Asia,this mod seems also very Sinocentric in wonders

 

[civ-addicted]

I have Chola never seen respawn.
If they respawn are they still named as "Chola"?
Maybe you can change the name to "Kingdom of Polonnaruwa/Sri lanka" if they respawn,Lilavati was never queen of the Chola.

Rarely, but it happens.
Currently, the names of respawned civs doesn't change (so Jaffna will be still be known as Chola); it's a little complicated since the respawn is in python, but the DCNs are in the DLL. I have an idea how to fix that, but i can't change the DLL right now because my own computer hasn't arrived yet. If it comes within a week it will be part of the next version.

Altough her husband conquered parts of the Chola Empire and Burma.
Sri Lanka seems totally eradicated from this mod!

On this scale of the map Sri Lanka barely has place for one single city, and an own civ with 4 land plots to micromanage for hours is like the opposite of fun in my opinion.
First of all, i wanted to use Saibotlieh's LH, then i read that Jaffna had a queen (even the Catalan Atlas shows one) but couldn't find her name... finally, when i was fed up researching i just took a queen's name from Sri Lanka within this period. For now, it's really just a placeholder. But not completly unreasonable still.

Iran:1:Arg-e-Bam???Iran isn't even on the map!

Bam is right at the edge of the map; close enough

Unspecified:1:Great Harbor

It's meant to be the Harbor of Lothal

Many countries have no wonders and are all in Asia,this mod seems also very Sinocentric in wonders

Some civs aren't meant to have wonders at all, and i have no intention to include a wonder that's hardly known and doesn't benefit the gameplay in this late stage of the mod for the sake of equality among modern countries. As said, i don't oppose adding wonders as long as it serves gameplay. Replaceing wonders (like the Imperial Stable or Imperial Library, which has been here forever but i never realized what they are actually about) would be an option, if better art is availible.
And the mod itself is sinocentric. China covers the biggest part of the map and deserves a lot of wonders.

 

[Civciv5]

Bam is right at the edge of the map; close enough

No it's not,then the Aral Sea should be on the map.

Stupid vBulletin message,what's that supposed to be!
If you can propose wonders,then I can too.
Each country(that plays a role in history of the map) should have at least one.
Nepal:Basantapur Palace
Bhutan:/,first signs of kingdoms of Bhutan start in 1500 AD
Sri Lanka:Jetavanamaraya
Vietnam:My Son temples
Thailand:Ayutthaya Temples
Malaysia:/,no great wonders
Philippines:Banaue Rice Terraces
Uzbekistan:Shah-i-Zinda
Bangladesh:Somapura Mahavihara

You live in Kanton Rammachgau?
Can't find anything about that place on the whole internet!
Do you mean Guangzhou?

 

[civ-addicted]

No it's not,then the Aral Sea should be on the map.

Done
But seriously. If Bam is off the map, than by 50 km max in RL. If you like this one better: The Parthians buildt Arg e Bam, and because we can't have them as a civ, that would be a fair representation of them.

You live in Kanton Rammachgau?
Can't find anything about that place on the whole internet!
Do you mean Guangzhou?

Rammachgau it is, making it sound like it's in Switzerland, which is a personal thing that doesn't really belong here.

 

[Leoreth]

Many countries have no wonders and are all in Asia,this mod seems also very Sinocentric in wonders

Since East Asian history itself is fairly sinocentric, this seems only appropriate.

 

[2phunkey4u]

lol:And once again you beat me. You didn't found your capital on turn 1... I'll make it cheat-free.

I don't consider it cheating - it's been legit in RFC. I'm still thinking of a strategy to nail the Ghaznavid UHVs down. Wanted to try Samarkand as capital for its massive output. Bad idea. The city was in rebellion for 7 turns. I rage-quit later upon getting sandwich-wrecked by Delhi and Barb Keshiks.

I think I have a nice wonder to propose, too:, Ulugh Beg's Observatory of Samarkand. Could be same same as in SoI. Adds obervatories to all cities, art files are already there. Plus it's nice to a science-related wonder in the late game.

All in all, I am less concerned about the geographical distribution of wonders rather about the fact that some of the best of them (and thus most important for gameplay) are Buddhist only. Golden Buddha and Buddhas of Bamiyan are so OP, coming so early. The other ones only add to this. I think I also object to the effect of Potala Palace. I think there was never any Buddhist equivalent of papacy/HRE, so it shouldn't make you become a super-Lama of diplomacy. But I'd take the extra and the UUs effects any day, still.