lumpthing
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I looked them up on wikipedia and they are all either region (rather than cities) or suburbs and towns settled by German immigrants, but which were never part of a German Empire. Or Kongo, which I can't explain at all.
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I looked them up on wikipedia and they are all either region (rather than cities) or suburbs and towns settled by German immigrants, but which were never part of a German Empire. Or Kongo, which I can't explain at all.
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Ya, Kongo is more Portugese than anything else but Koln is definitly a major German city along with Mainz and Trieste, either way Rhye has already added the ones he believes worth adding so I suggest we leave this one alone.
Cap-Haitien would actually be Cap-Français. It was renamed Cap-Haitien after Haitian independence.
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and Quebec City is simply Québec (obviously).
But there was really no need to quote the whole post...
PS: Martnique and Guadeloupe are islands. Instead of Martinique there should be Fort de France.
But there was really no need to quote the whole post...
PS: Martnique and Guadeloupe are islands. Instead of Martinique there should be Fort de France.
especially if you quote an outdated list 
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Ya, I updated that list a couple of times and fixed all those things and that was about a month ago!
Sorry about that. Where are the updated lists?
some info on australian cities foundation dates you might like to consider in the english list. order of founding was
Sydney 1788
Norfolk Island 1788
Hobart 1804
Launceston 1804 (both in Van Deimen's Land/Tasmania)
Newcastle 1804
Brisbane (originally called Moreton Bay) 1822
Fremantle and Perth ("The Swan River Colony") 1829
Melbourne 1835
Adelaide 1836
Most people would not know the order of founding of Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth, but it's pretty common knowledge that Sydney and Hobart were the first two settlements (Norfolk Is doesn't really count). Hobart was a very important colony historically, as a strategic naval post, a convict settlement, and a major centre for the whaling and seal fur trade. it should be just after sydney. after all, van deimen's land was a pretty famous colony in the british empire.
Camberra was never a British settlement as it was founded after independence specifically as a new capital so it looks wrong in the English list.
All of the above except camberra are coastal cities. If you want some inland British settlements in Australia try
Bathurst (1815) significant as the first inland settlment
Bourke (1830s) significant as considered the western edge of settlement
Ballarat (1838 although not really a city until 1850s gold rush. site of the eureka stockade
Bendigo (1852)
all of these cities are much more important cities historically than Alice Springs although perhaps Alice Srings is better known overseas these days due to its tourist attraction.
hope this post is helpful. if not ignore it.. maybe you can free up some of the american cities for that 'civ'. no one ever incorporates australia in their mods even though we are an enormous colonial power: Papua New Guinea, Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Australian Antarctic Territory, Norfolk Island, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Coral Sea Islands Territory, Heard and McDonald Islands.
edit: i didn't change the wiki list as i don't feel i know enough about the mod to not mess it all up.
Sydney 1788
Norfolk Island 1788
Hobart 1804
Launceston 1804 (both in Van Deimen's Land/Tasmania)
Newcastle 1804
Brisbane (originally called Moreton Bay) 1822
Fremantle and Perth ("The Swan River Colony") 1829
Melbourne 1835
Adelaide 1836
Most people would not know the order of founding of Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth, but it's pretty common knowledge that Sydney and Hobart were the first two settlements (Norfolk Is doesn't really count
). Hobart was a very important colony historically, as a strategic naval post, a convict settlement, and a major centre for the whaling and seal fur trade. it should be just after sydney. after all, van deimen's land was a pretty famous colony in the british empire.Camberra was never a British settlement as it was founded after independence specifically as a new capital so it looks wrong in the English list.
All of the above except camberra are coastal cities. If you want some inland British settlements in Australia try
Bathurst (1815) significant as the first inland settlment
Bourke (1830s) significant as considered the western edge of settlement
Ballarat (1838 although not really a city until 1850s gold rush. site of the eureka stockade
Bendigo (1852)
all of these cities are much more important cities historically than Alice Springs although perhaps Alice Srings is better known overseas these days due to its tourist attraction.
hope this post is helpful. if not ignore it.. maybe you can free up some of the american cities for that 'civ'. no one ever incorporates australia in their mods even though we are an enormous colonial power: Papua New Guinea, Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Australian Antarctic Territory, Norfolk Island, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Coral Sea Islands Territory, Heard and McDonald Islands.
edit: i didn't change the wiki list as i don't feel i know enough about the mod to not mess it all up.
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The link in lumpthing's signature will send you to the wiki where all the updated city lists are, however RFC Rand is coming out on monday and Rhye is departing on the 30th so there's really only a few days left for suggestions that will be in the initial release.
The link in lumpthing's signature will send you to the wiki where all the updated city lists are, however RFC Rand is coming out on monday and Rhye is departing on the 30th so there's really only a few days left for suggestions that will be in the initial release.
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You have to become a member of Rhye's of wiki or get someone else to do it.
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Bragança was the old seat of the duke who replaced the "philips" (Hapsburgs from Castile) in 1640. Guimarães was the original seat of the first portuguese king in the 12th century (there was no official "capital" then).
I'd like to propose some changes to Rhye's list (and I don't understand the wiki's format, so I'm posting here):
Portugal
(cities by order of importance during the 12th-16th centuries):
1.Coastal
"Lisboa",
"Porto",
"Silves", (added; this, not Faro, was the original capital of Algarve and an important coastal city until its river became silted)
"Lagos",
"Faro",
"Alcácer do Sal", (added; also an old coastal city, eventually its harbor was transfered to Setúbal as the river's estuary became silted)
"Setúbal",
"Aveiro",
"Viana do Castelo",
"Almada", (added)
"Tavira",
"Figueira da Foz",
"Caminha", (added)
"Sesimbra", (added)
2.Inland
"Guimarães",
"Braga",
"Coimbra",
"Évora",
"Santarém", (added)
"Leiria", (Leiria is not, and never was, a coastal city)
"Viseu",
"Lamego",
"Bragança",
"Beja", (added)
"Guarda",
"Covilhã", (added)
"Mértola", (added; was once an important river harbor)
"Tomar",
"Alcobaça", (added)
"Portalegre", (added)
"Ponte de Lima", (added)
"Castelo Branco",
"Chaves", (added)
"Estremoz", (added)
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I propose some changes here too:
3.Inland
"São Paulo",
"São Salvador do Congo",
"Cidade de Minas",(shouldn't this be part of the brazilian post-independence period?)
"Ouro Preto", (added)
"Tete", (#Moçambique)
"Huambo", (added; #Angola)
"Diamantina",
"Vila Rica",
"Belém",
"Cuiabá"
"Manaus" (might be considered part of the brazilian period),
"Goias", (I don't know if it should be included)
"Oerias", (you menat Oeiras? doesn't seem important enough)
"Alpargatas", (??? where is this?)
4.Coastal
"Ponta Delgada",
"Funchal",
"Goa" (conquered, but the city was effectively re-founded),
"Angra do Heroísmo", (added)
"Luanda",
"Porto Seguro",
"Rio de Janeiro",
"Macau", (added)
"Moçambique" (island of), (added)
"São Jorge da Mina", (added)
"Recife", (added)
"Olinda", (added)
"Benguela", (added, #Angola)
"Lourenço Marques",
"Quelimane", (added; #Moçambique)
"Díli",
"Bissau", (added; #Guiné-Bissau)
"Arguim", (added; #Mauretania)
"Vitória", (better remove this one, not important enough)
"Rio Grande de São Pedro", (better remove this one, not important enough)
"Desterro", (??? I don't think this belongs here; neither did Brasilia, in the original list)
Some important coastal cities, conquered/developed/occupied but not founded by the portuguese:
"Ceuta", (currently spanish)
"Malaca", (Malasia)
"Ormuz" (Hormuz in Iran)
Phallus
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About the British lists: was Nottingham really ever that significant? I've noticed American games rank Nottingham extremely highly, as if it were a major provincial town, but I can't help wondering how much of this is Hollywood's doing.
Similarly, the list on the wiki includes such places as Wolverhampton when historically significant places like Colchester (pre-Roman fortress of Cunobelin + Cassevellaunus and the Catuvellauni - also Rome's largest town in Britain until Boudicca offed it - still significant well into the middle ages, still bearing a Dutch Quarter from Tudor times), Falmouth (lesser known port which was fairly prominent in the Napoleonic era), Penzance (site of the Armada's landing - little else but still more historical than Blackpool), King's Lynn (prestigious in Tudor England), Ipswich (another rich Tudor port), Chelmsford (one of the largest towns in medieval England - temporary capital during the Peasant's Revolt) etc. etc. are missed off. Is it okay if I add some historically relevant cities to the English list? I'll place them between the others in order of significance.
Finally, how on earth did Middlesbrough get there? Come on, not even people from Middlesbrough have been to Middlesbrough.
Similarly, the list on the wiki includes such places as Wolverhampton when historically significant places like Colchester (pre-Roman fortress of Cunobelin + Cassevellaunus and the Catuvellauni - also Rome's largest town in Britain until Boudicca offed it - still significant well into the middle ages, still bearing a Dutch Quarter from Tudor times), Falmouth (lesser known port which was fairly prominent in the Napoleonic era), Penzance (site of the Armada's landing - little else but still more historical than Blackpool), King's Lynn (prestigious in Tudor England), Ipswich (another rich Tudor port), Chelmsford (one of the largest towns in medieval England - temporary capital during the Peasant's Revolt) etc. etc. are missed off. Is it okay if I add some historically relevant cities to the English list? I'll place them between the others in order of significance.
Finally, how on earth did Middlesbrough get there? Come on, not even people from Middlesbrough have been to Middlesbrough.
3.Inland
"São Paulo",
"São Salvador do Congo",
"Ouro Preto", (added)
"Tete", (#Moçambique)
"Huambo", (added; #Angola)
"Diamantina",
"Vila Rica",
"Belém",
"Cuiabá",
"Manaus",
"Oeiras",
"Alpargatas"
4.Coastal
"Ponta Delgada",
"Funchal",
"Goa"
"Angra do Heroísmo", (added)
"Luanda",
"Porto Seguro",
"Rio de Janeiro",
"Macau", (added)
"Moçambique" (island of), (added)
"São Jorge da Mina", (added)
"Recife", (added)
"Olinda", (added)
"Benguela", (added, #Angola)
"Lourenço Marques",
"Quelimane", (added; #Moçambique)
"Díli",
"Bissau", (added; #Guiné-Bissau)
"Arguim", (added; #Mauretania)
"Vitória",
"Rio Grande de São Pedro",
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I added Villa Cisneros and El Aaiún to Spain's colony list to represent their presence and influence on Western Sahara.
I also added Gamboa to America's inland colony list. It was an important town during the construction of the Panama Canal, housing many of the workers, and later became the location of the Canal Dredging Division in 1936. The city isn't that important, but it would be good to have some American colonies that aren't named for military bases.
I also added Gamboa to America's inland colony list. It was an important town during the construction of the Panama Canal, housing many of the workers, and later became the location of the Canal Dredging Division in 1936. The city isn't that important, but it would be good to have some American colonies that aren't named for military bases.
Also, shouldn't Huambo be Nova Lisboa, since that was the city's name while under Portuguese colonial administration?innonimatu said:
lumpthing
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Definitely. It's one of the few British cities that has always been significant. It was a significant medieval city and a significant industrial city. So it's very appropriate for a civ citylist.
Places like Wolverhampton, Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Blackpool (!) were there cos Rhye seems to want them in. I don't there's any justification for them being there either but if they're near the bottom of the list I don't care because they'll probably never be seen anyway. I revised Rhye's list using the following the geeky system: I divided the UK into regional zones consisting of concentric circles emanating out from London. I then chose the one or two most significant inland cities and one or two most significant port cities in each of the zones to create two lists of about ten significant cities, ordered according to geographical proximity to London. I thought this would be the best way of creating an arrangement of in-game settlements that most closely resembled the real UK. However someone else has since the changed the order of the cities on the wiki so that it demphasises geographical proximity to London in favour of overall significance.
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