bathsheba666
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Red Stranger said:
Ermm, given the Israeli army is having problems countering the issue, what value is an 'expert' going to add?
Rice names anti-Semitism adviser
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Ermm, given the Israeli army is having problems countering the issue, what value is an 'expert' going to add?
Till
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I would have prefered if the job description was "anti racism and religious intolerance advisor" but meh.
Red Stranger
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In addition to Hamas and Iran, many RADICAL liberals are joining in in hating the Jews. They claim that America is under the control of the Zionist and everything we do is fo the Jews. Then they develop a hatred for the Jews out of their hatred for Bush. That is a cause for concern.
zulu9812
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Red Stranger said:
Of course, maybe they see a difference between spiritual Zionists and political Zionists. Since you're thick, I presume you won't understand that.
nonconformist
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Haha, you're something else there, Vyacheslav.Red Stranger said:
skadistic
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I'm going to hug some jews today. Maybe a preaty jewish girl will take a fancy to me and we can breed little half jewish kids to spread the zionistic plan to dominate the world by controling all the media. To bad we have such a hard road ahead with the anti-jewish hate from the arabs, persions, euros, UN......................
zulu9812
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Brian_B said:
Well, the reason I ask is that, since you basically need to win Florida in order to win POTUS, US governments will always be pro-Israel (whether they're Republican or Demorat) - and that this apointment is an indication of that.
Same goes for Cuban ex-pats.
Leha
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This thread shows....this advisor will have job to do.
Vanadorn
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And another generation of hatred is spawned. Sigh.
My great grandfather was trapped in Poland where he (and a large portion of my family tree) met their end in a concentration camp. A few were lucky enough be set free and made their way to America.
During the riots in Brownsville during the 60's in Brooklyn, my Grandfather had his hardware shop burned to the ground during the race riots for being a "Jew Bastage".
My father faced anti-semetism every day in public schools until he was physically accosted in Auto Shop during 10th grade by 4 assailants (for the umpteenth time) where after being savagely beaten, was forced to stab one of the young men in the shoulder with a standard screwdriver as an impromtu weapon. He was sumilarly disciplined and "left back" for his own good in order to not be in contact with the other boys any more. Who, had each recieved a few days off from school and no other punishment.
I was one of two jewish children in school where I had to face anti-semetism in a suburban school setting daily as well not limited to: Verbal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, emotional abuse, being trapped in a pair of lacrosse cages lashed together with bike chains and stoned and sticked (age 10), set upon by a mob of 12 kids and chased down until I was thrown in a drainage sump (14 ft fall) where I was stoned and left unconscious to be found by neighbors who came out to investigate what the noise was (police called - no charges pressed), countless assaults in school during my high school years and then again more anti-semetism afterwards in my professional life. I remember no more than 8 years ago to shake some of this stigmata, for one job I adopted a nickname "wolf" which many thought was my middle name - giving me a germanic slant. I was suddenly privy to TONS of anti-semetic jokes, ribaldry, comments, and words and thoughts/feelings that I, as a jew, had very little awareness was still so prevalant and wide spread even during the late 90's and turn of the millenia.
So if there is any wonder if anti-semetism exist - trust me it does. It exists because for 2000 years, there has been a conflicting persecution between Christian/Catholic faiths and Judiasm. Raw and simple. Racial conflict (black/white) has a 500 year history, Islamic confrontation between Christianity and itself is 1300 years old. Islam and Jusiasm however has a 60 year issue - and is the most confrontational as of now becasue the pain of loss is so fresh and new (formation of Isreal).
Saddly when I read this board and some of the thoughts concepts from those that post, I am sad to learn that my daughter will have to face a renewed and refreshed front of Anti-Semetism - a feeling undimmed by hatred after all these years.
Religion needs to be tempered with wisdom and reduced from fanatacism - because until we do, the circle will not end and we will face the repeat of history again and again and again.
My 2 cents
My great grandfather was trapped in Poland where he (and a large portion of my family tree) met their end in a concentration camp. A few were lucky enough be set free and made their way to America.
During the riots in Brownsville during the 60's in Brooklyn, my Grandfather had his hardware shop burned to the ground during the race riots for being a "Jew Bastage".
My father faced anti-semetism every day in public schools until he was physically accosted in Auto Shop during 10th grade by 4 assailants (for the umpteenth time) where after being savagely beaten, was forced to stab one of the young men in the shoulder with a standard screwdriver as an impromtu weapon. He was sumilarly disciplined and "left back" for his own good in order to not be in contact with the other boys any more. Who, had each recieved a few days off from school and no other punishment.
I was one of two jewish children in school where I had to face anti-semetism in a suburban school setting daily as well not limited to: Verbal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, emotional abuse, being trapped in a pair of lacrosse cages lashed together with bike chains and stoned and sticked (age 10), set upon by a mob of 12 kids and chased down until I was thrown in a drainage sump (14 ft fall) where I was stoned and left unconscious to be found by neighbors who came out to investigate what the noise was (police called - no charges pressed), countless assaults in school during my high school years and then again more anti-semetism afterwards in my professional life. I remember no more than 8 years ago to shake some of this stigmata, for one job I adopted a nickname "wolf" which many thought was my middle name - giving me a germanic slant. I was suddenly privy to TONS of anti-semetic jokes, ribaldry, comments, and words and thoughts/feelings that I, as a jew, had very little awareness was still so prevalant and wide spread even during the late 90's and turn of the millenia.
So if there is any wonder if anti-semetism exist - trust me it does. It exists because for 2000 years, there has been a conflicting persecution between Christian/Catholic faiths and Judiasm. Raw and simple. Racial conflict (black/white) has a 500 year history, Islamic confrontation between Christianity and itself is 1300 years old. Islam and Jusiasm however has a 60 year issue - and is the most confrontational as of now becasue the pain of loss is so fresh and new (formation of Isreal).
Saddly when I read this board and some of the thoughts concepts from those that post, I am sad to learn that my daughter will have to face a renewed and refreshed front of Anti-Semetism - a feeling undimmed by hatred after all these years.
Religion needs to be tempered with wisdom and reduced from fanatacism - because until we do, the circle will not end and we will face the repeat of history again and again and again.
My 2 cents
bathsheba666
Fast 'n Bulbous
Red Stranger said:
Before I despised Bush, I drank milk, so I guess you should ban that also...
Xenocrates
Deity
The point is whether a general ' reigious hatred' minister/ministry would have been better than appointing one to protect only one segment of the population.
Xenocrates
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Vanadorn said:
Don't you think that this appointment increases disquiet and distrust of Jews?
Inqvisitor
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Sorry, nice story, but not a single word of it can be proven true on this internet forum. The emotionalized "we're so persecuted" cry is not at all a valid argument.Vanadorn said:
Yet many people will think "oh how awful, we better make sure the government eavesdrops on and arrests anybody who may be "anti-semitic."
Accusing people you disagree with as being a "generation of hatred" is also uncalled for...
Vanadorn
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I am not happy with Rice singling out a portion of the US populace issues with racism/prejudice (of any kind). Unfortunately, I don't know what the ulterior motive is (nor does anyone here) if there is one. It would have been perhaps - easier - to have a Prejudice Advisor instead - but where would you find a SINGLE person who is so gifted to be able to honestly and impartially aid Ms. Rice on the subjects of Judiasm, Islamic, Oriental, European, Hispanic, and Negroid tolerance and what best way to deal with it?
Is there any such a person? Anywhere?
My comment was directed to this thread and the tonality of some of its posters, not necessarily to Ms. Rice and her questionable establishment of such a post in her cabinetry.
My 2 cents.
Is there any such a person? Anywhere?
My comment was directed to this thread and the tonality of some of its posters, not necessarily to Ms. Rice and her questionable establishment of such a post in her cabinetry.
My 2 cents.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Isn't everyone jumping the gun here?
I don't think the advisor has anything to do with internal antisemitism
I don't think the advisor has anything to do with internal antisemitism
zulu9812
The Newbie Nightmare
Perfection said:
So what's his job then? To go around to other countries telling them how they should fix their problems?
Xenocrates
Deity
Steady on, Inquisitor.
This is serious stuff!
Every religious group, race, nationality etc. has faced persecution at one time or another and when it kicks off it can get REALLY bad.
My thoughts are that anti-Islam is more prevalent than Anti-semitism at the moment. That's the really important problem in my view.
When economic interests coincide with religious hatred there's bound to be more persecution.
This is serious stuff!
Every religious group, race, nationality etc. has faced persecution at one time or another and when it kicks off it can get REALLY bad.
My thoughts are that anti-Islam is more prevalent than Anti-semitism at the moment. That's the really important problem in my view.
When economic interests coincide with religious hatred there's bound to be more persecution.
Perfection
The Great Head.
No, to address any antisemetic issues in pending internatal agreements is what I seem to gather.zulu9812 said:
Vanadorn
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Inquis - I am not even going to be drawn into a conflict with you regarding this. I have no idea who you are, and ergo, the same from you to I. The best one can do is to have a modicum amount of trust that those who do take the time out to discuss and debate on these boards do so from a position of honorability and trust.
So whether or not an issue can be proven for this matter and the reason WHY I posted is not the matter at hand here. The thread is about the establishment of a position on Ms. Rice's staff of advisors for a person versed in Anti-Semetism - and whether or not such a position is even required.
And it is to that - and the rather disheartening comments that followed, by a number of posters including yourself, that I responded in kind.
The background is not to elicit feelings of pity (no thanks - never needed it), but to give any newer posters of those unfamiliar with who I am, a framework to learn where my understanding and position on this matter lies. Otherwise my vociferous friend - I would be nothing more than just another loud mouthed, unthinking, narrowminded, blinder wearing person so wrapped up in his/her stratified world view just dropping unfounded comments and barbs on an internet forum.
And I strive to be something beyond that, as well as someone that others can listen to with respect - even if they might not agree with my unique view.
My 2 cents.
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