Riots in St. Louis

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Perhaps if the cop had taken some cash from the kid rather than killing him, there would be some sympathy for the kid from certain quarters.
 
Looks like there was more unrest Tuesday night:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/13/375163/black-teen-death-protests-go-on-in-us/
"We have a right to assemble, a right to freedom," said Paul Muhammad, a protestor. "But here we are facing what looks like a military imposing martial law. It is not acceptable."

The Police Department in the city of Ferguson refuses to reveal the name of the officer responsible for Brown’s death, citing threats to his safety.

Amidst the current unrest, a second police-involved shooting was reported overnight in Ferguson.

About 1:00 AM on Wednesday, multiple shots were fired and four or five armed individuals were seen, wearing ski masks, running near the intersection of Chambers Road and Sheffingdel Court in Ferguson, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reported.

Police responded to the shootings and shot and injured one of the suspects. The man was in critical condition in hospital, a police spokesman said.

This is while a woman was shot in the head with a projectile about 12:20 AM in a drive-by shooting. Police said they were looking for four or five men. The woman was shot once and is expected to survive.

The Federal Aviation Administration approved a no-fly zone over Ferguson after police said one of their helicopters came under fire on “three or four occasions.” The no-fly zone is expected to remain in place until Monday.

Rev Al Sharpton, veteran civil rights leader and TV host, appeared alongside Brown's parents on Tuesday to appeal for calm after two nights of protest in which about 50 people were arrested.
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The guy shot this time actually pulled a gun out, so the police have justification if he dies.
The no-fly zone is really keeping the news copters away, ya. (@Antilogic :goodjob:)
Will last 4 or 5 more days.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-shoot-man-city-teenager-killed?cmp=wp-plugin
A raucous convoy of about 250 young demonstrators, marching along a main route into downtown Ferguson, was halted about 30 yards from a wall of police assembled at the entrance to the street where Brown was killed by a still-unidentified officer on Saturday.

Officers in military-style uniforms, some carrying high-powered rifles and wearing balaclavas, formed a line at least two men deep and blocking the entire width of Florrisant Street, the main drag where angry protests over Brown's killing had flared for the previous two nights.

Pitched behind two large armoured trucks, they repeatedly warned the demonstrators through a Tannoy system to "get out of the road or face arrest" – the same warning delivered on Monday night before officers fired teargas, rubber bullets and wooden baton rounds into the crowds.

But for 40 minutes, the protesters defied the threat. Some hung out of car windows, while others raised their arms aloft and repeated what has become their defining slogan: "Hands up, don't shoot." A police helicopter swooped around the dark sky above, shining a bright spotlight on the faces of the almost entirely African American crowd...


...In the early hours of Wednesday it was reported that a small skirmish had resulted in police again using teargas and a young woman being struck in the head with a projectile. Spookwrites, an Instagram user who had previously been covering the protests, posted a photograph of herself wearing a neck brace and showing cuts on her face.
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Guess the no fly zone doesn't apply to police helicopters?
More unrest last night and this morning if they are still firing tear gas. :sad:
 
There is some possibility that the cops in the helicopters noted muzzle flashes. Muzzle flash is different when it is pointed at you. If they hang around taking fire they can even work out the location of the shooter. The thing to take from this, of course, is when shooting at police helicopters don't do it from your own back yard.
 
Shock as American cops gun down black youth in extremely dubious circumstances

Almost as if this has happened before!
 
useless said:
Shock as American cops gun down black youth in extremely dubious circumstances

Almost as if this has happened before!
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The shock on my end is that it's causing such a stir. Happens all the time here. Sheriff's department quite reasonably defended themselves against racial profiling investigation by pointing out the number of unarmed people they have shot who weren't black youth. Just a couple months ago they shot an unarmed eighty something white guy...in his house. As I tell people all the time, we don't have a black problem or a brown problem, we have a blue problem.
 
I still want to hear the official report from the police and FBI because their initial claim was that the officer was pushed into the car and there was a struggle for his firearm. However, the multiple eye-witness accounts are pretty much portraying this as an outright execution.

I know it doesn't change the fact that he's dead, but I hope to hell the police version is the truth.
 
bhsup said:
I still want to hear the official report from the police and FBI because their initial claim was that the officer was pushed into the car and there was a struggle for his firearm. However, the multiple eye-witness accounts are pretty much portraying this as an outright execution.

I know it doesn't change the fact that he's dead, but I hope to hell the police version is the truth.
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If you put the two together you get this...

Cop harasses kids for next to nothing to start with.
Pushing match ensues near car.
Struggle for gun, which my own logic suggests originated with the cop trying to draw it.
Gun goes off once prompting rapid exit by kid.
Kid, whether already hit or not, makes effort to surrender.
Cop empties clip into surrendering kid.

No matter what the preliminaries, there is not really any way to get around that last line, is there?
 
No, probably not, but I really want to wait for the official report on what the police and FBI said actually happened.
 
I just had the idea that the town residents should refuse to pay town tax until the police department is disbanded. And then rebuild it with new people who don't have such a crap relationship to the residents.
 
I think there are laws against that Cut.


The residents are morons though. A brutha got shot. How does that justify you rampaging through your own neighborhood pillaging and vandalising your fellow man? Out of the range of options that must be the worst.
 
bhsup said:
No, probably not, but I really want to wait for the official report on what the police and FBI said actually happened.
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In digesting that report I would like to point out something that will affect the process of producing it.

I got a speeding ticket in a school zone one time (bear with me I will get to the point). The cop was parked out of sight, and was basically just going through the process as fast as he could. He stepped away from the window of a car pretty much into my lane and waved me over. I thought it was some sort of license and registration checkpoint. So I get my ticket and as I'm handing back his clipboard he is stepping out into the lane to get the next guy.

Now, I know that under the laws of my fine state "I am a cop and I can tell how fast you are going just by looking" does not hold up in court, so I opt to fight. I go through the multiple appearances required to get to the actual me and my accuser in front of a judge point. I fully expect the cop not to appear, because this is in fact a bad ticket and he had to be just writing them one after another on the idea almost everyone would just pay...but no!

He's there, and his initial testimony is 'I was blah blah blah....using laser device blah blah blah calibrated on blah blah blah.... So I ask him; what laser device, what does this thing look like, is it handheld, because you weren't near your vehicle. He testifies that the laser device is indeed hand held, and in his words looks like a handgun on steroids.

I contend that if someone steps out in front of my car pointing a handgun at me, steroids or not, I would notice, and if as he stepped out in front of the next guy he pulled over while I am handing him a clipboard I would certainly notice him drawing a gun.

This brings us to the relevant point of the story, which actually is not the clear fact that this little fund raising maggot clearly committed perjury. The point is that the judge ruled based on standard judicial practice that in a case such as this more weight must be given to the officer's testimony since he is a trained observer.

So remember when the report comes out that the trained observer's story of this kid's demise is going to be given greater weight than any other story that may contradict it. In short, it will be a fine report but may or may not provide any good indication of what actually happened.
 
I don't support the riots at all. But I do understand what kicks them off.

What gets lost sight of is that those cops are the employees of those citizens. If the cops aren't serving them, then they should be fired.
 
I absolutely support the riots. Boo hoo, some capitalists lose a bit of property. The police war against Blacks must end, and it will only end when the African American nation rules itself. I hope these riots lead to further emboldenment of Blacks and other oppressed peoples in the US, and further challenging of this police state and their indiscriminate and unchallengeable application of violence.
 
Cutlass said:
I don't support the riots at all. But I do understand what kicks them off.

What gets lost sight of is that those cops are the employees of those citizens. If the cops aren't serving them, then they should be fired.
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Unfortunately there are a lot of intermediary steps there.

The cops are actually paid by the police department, not the citizens. The police department is funded by (mostly) the city.

The city uses funds it receives from the state in an amount based largely on the amount of sales taxes collected in the city.

Those sales taxes are actually collected by merchants in the first place.

So for the citizens to 'not pay', the person they end up directly at odds with is the clerk at the store, who is probably as much on their side as anyone.
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Interrupting this chain at a point where it can actually work is, unfortunately, what riots are about. The city government, which funds the police department, has to arrive at the conclusion that the existing police department is actually doing more harm than good...and the riots produce the physical harm that is notable by the city government.

I'm not 'pro-riot', but I do understand where it comes from and I am willing to admit I don't have any better idea since city governments are not known for just firing police departments on their own volition.
 
So neighborhood small business owners are now the evil capitalists you want to wage holy commie war against? Okay, good to know. When did you move to crazytown?
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all cops are bastards
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Yep, they're all just horrible bastards. How dare they try to help children with autism live instead of die. BASTARDS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article1216122.html

A $10,000 donation from the Police Foundation of Kansas City allowed the Police Department to purchase a tracking unit for each of the department’s six patrol stations. Officers will undergo training Thursday and Friday being done by a St. Louis-area officer who has a son with autism, said Mike Chylewski, vice president of Illinois-based Care Trak.

Kansas City Police Sgt. Brad Deichler, who helped lead Kansas City’s effort to get the system, has a son with autism.

“I’m part of a national network that sends out alerts when a child with autism wanders off,” Deichler said. “About 10 or 15 percent of the time, the child dies. It’s usually a drowning, or they fall off of an overpass or get hit by a car.”
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Way to paint every cop that puts his/her life on the line all the time as evil. Most are dedicated, hard working public servants.
 
Most of a city budget is property tax. A property tax strike is doable. If enough of the city's population is willing to go along with it.
 
bhsup said:
Way to paint every cop that puts his/her life on the line all the time as evil. Most are dedicated, hard working public servants.
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Just for the record, I could pull up at least five unarmed people shot dead by cops in my town in the last year.

The Sheriff's department has lost one deputy in my town.

EVER.

Whose lives are on the line all the time?
 
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