Riots in St. Louis

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Police Officers work in area's every day that you avoid, or, if by chance you end up in, you lock your doors and try and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. Nobody on here can seriously say they have never been in a bad neighborhood that you felt uncomfortable in. Or, if you "havent" been in one, there are neighborhoods you know you dont go in.

People are paranoid. Cops are paranoid people with guns and empowerment from the state to use them, so they go places the other paranoid people don't. Does your post have some greater point that I am missing?
 
RIP.

And this is quite scary.

I am sure it could have been avoided, if the Police all around the country wasn't as jerkish. Maybe in part it is also due to citizens having guns some of the time, but i doubt it all boils down to that. Seems more likely that the police is largely made of not very intelligent people + they may be given orders enabling them to act as carelessly anyway.
 
Police Officers work in area's every day that you avoid, or, if by chance you end up in, you lock your doors and try and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. Nobody on here can seriously say they have never been in a bad neighborhood that you felt uncomfortable in. Or, if you "havent" been in one, there are neighborhoods you know you dont go in.

Not in my city.
 
RIP.

And this is quite scary.

I am sure it could have been avoided, if the Police all around the country wasn't as jerkish. Maybe in part it is also due to citizens having guns some of the time, but i doubt it all boils down to that. Seems more likely that the police is largely made of not very intelligent people + they may be given orders enabling them to act as carelessly anyway.

One scary part is that Los Angeles is (as usual) in the middle of our own police shooting an unarmed guy case. Normally the LA cops know how to handle this sort of thing without a major blow up of violence...but if St Louis turns into some sort of cops vs citizens free for all LA could easily follow suit...and the absurdity of two principle says once you lose 'this is a unique situation' there is very little between two turning into many.

St Louis needs to understand that they have only encountered the tip of the iceberg and it is already surprisingly bad. The day the police department rules 'justified shoot' is always when the smelly stuff really hits the fan.
 
Some American cops suck, i don't know how, but they seem to rival Britain's Metropolitan police for general scuminess.
 
On Hannity the Ferguson police chief blamed "outside agitators" for the violence. That term sounds familiar...
 
On Hannity the Ferguson police chief blamed "outside agitators" for the violence. That term sounds familiar...

Old Civil Rights Movement term right?

Maddow made an interesting caparison to the Bundy Ranch standoff, noting how the police backed off unlike here. I guess those AR-15s help for something.
 
Probably as convinced as I am that the poor Ethiopian guy down the street who owns a gas station is a capitalist oppressor.
 
Unrelated, I just read that Gazans who still have internet access are tweeting to Ferguson citizens information on how to deal with tear gas. Now that's solidarity.


Probably as convinced as I am that the poor Ethiopian guy down the street who owns a gas station is a capitalist oppressor.

Do you own private property [meaning capital, not the land your house is on]? Do you have a source of income that is derived from the labor of others, or from denying resources to people who need it until sufficient ransom is paid for it? Do you have the authority to dictate to others how much money they make, which in turn decides a whole host of things about their life: when their free time is, where they can live, what kind of food and clothing they will be able to obtain, etc?

Yes, even the "poor" small businessman possesses more social power than the average worker. If he owns a gas station, he is probably wealthier than you. I know for damn sure he's wealthier than me, and most workers too.
 
I'm not sure we need to demonise small business owners to argue that outbursts of protest and revolt are legitimate responses to racism, brutality and oppression. Even if they occasion property damage which force business owners to clean up some mess and make an insurance claim later. Or rather, simply that property damage doesn't ipso facto invalidate either a revolt/protest nor the underlying grievances.
 
I'm not sure we need to demonise small business owners to argue that outbursts of protest and revolt are legitimate responses to racism, brutality and oppression. Even if they occasion property damage which force business owners to clean up some mess and make an insurance claim later. Or rather, simply that property damage doesn't ipso facto invalidate either a revolt/protest nor the underlying grievances.

The supreme slander against every riot and rioter is that "they destroyed property" as if this were the ultimate damnation of a person. I'm not demonizing the shopkeepers whose stores were damaged or destroyed by the riots, I'm simply stating that it is not something anyone should be particularly concerned about.

I mean, we're talking about police murder and cover up, and what people are outraged and damning people for is that a few shops got looted? Talk about a misjudgment of priorities!

But even if the vandalism was central to the issue, it's not something we should be regretting anyway and not something that should damn a movement in our eyes (unless you're a business owner or wealthy yourself), because they're already not on our side.

The very institution of the police exists to protect those kinds of people [the propertied classes] from the great un-propertied masses, so this sort of brutality on the police's part is in fact done in their name, in private property's name. I honestly don't care if their shops get burned and looted by the poor whom they oppress and the police brutalize in their name.

But like I said, it's not central to the issue here, and people are trying to make it central and redirect away from the racism and police militarization which is at hand, and the corresponding shut down of First Amendment Rights in the city of Ferguson, and anywhere the police deem suitable (Boston last year, anyone?).
 
The supreme slander against every riot and rioter is that "they destroyed property" as if this were the ultimate damnation of a person. I'm not demonizing the shopkeepers whose stores were damaged or destroyed by the riots, I'm simply stating that it is not something anyone should be particularly concerned about.

I mean, we're talking about police murder and cover up, and what people are outraged and damning people for is that a few shops got looted? Talk about a misjudgment of priorities!

But even if the vandalism was central to the issue, it's not something we should be regretting anyway and not something that should damn a movement in our eyes (unless you're a business owner or wealthy yourself), because they're already not on our side.

The very institution of the police exists to protect those kinds of people [the propertied classes] from the great un-propertied masses, so this sort of brutality on the police's part is in fact done in their name, in private property's name. I honestly don't care if their shops get burned and looted by the poor whom they oppress and the police brutalize in their name.

But like I said, it's not central to the issue here, and people are trying to make it central and redirect away from the racism and police militarization which is at hand, and the corresponding shut down of First Amendment Rights in the city of Ferguson, and anywhere the police deem suitable (Boston last year, anyone?).

Not seeing the connection between a guilty police force, and thinking its ok (or nothing to care about) to have shopkeepers lose their property. Likely some of them don't even have insurance by now due to the crisis.
The police is likely guilty, but this is not a story about capitalist-lite shopkeepers vs the poor people who have less money even than that, and got shot. It is just about getting shot by a corrupt force of goons.
 
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