[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

They have to hold something back for the next expansion.

When they introduced the new timeline feature an example of a historical moment is being the first to sail around the world.. along with all the other clues.. I hope they make me happy with Lydia. They need to make it up to me somehow. They need to make feitorias incredible. I want an Açores or an Algarve natural wonder and/or Palácio da Pena wonder.

I'm still incredibly disappointed. Straight up trolling lol.. ugh. Portugal always makes third ring if there is one. It'd have to focus on the points missed in the trailer. The Soviet-era civ hasn't happened yet either. So economics i.e. trade, centers of wealth & likely culture, (perhaps sanitation?), socialism v. capitalism would be a theme. Perhaps independent cities adopt their own government structure?
 
Did anyone realize the quote for Early Empire seems to foretell the releasing of "Rise and Fall"

Civics Completed
Early Empire

"Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too." - Marcus Aurelius
It's that or Garrison Kellior's Roman Empire collapsed due to air conditioning quote.
 
When they introduced the new timeline feature an example of a historical moment is being the first to sail around the world.. along with all the other clues.. I hope they make me happy with Lydia. They need to make it up to me somehow. They need to make feitorias incredible. I want an Açores or an Algarve natural wonder and/or Palácio da Pena wonder.

I'm still incredibly disappointed. Straight up trolling lol.. ugh. Portugal always makes third ring if there is one. It'd have to focus on the points missed in the trailer. The Soviet-era civ hasn't happened yet either. So economics i.e. trade, centers of wealth & likely culture, (perhaps sanitation?), socialism v. capitalism would be a theme. Perhaps independent cities adopt their own government structure?
I predict that Portugal, Maya, and Byzantine empire will anchor the second expansion (assuming we get Ottoman empire and Inca in the first).

But I don't begrudge you mourning their delay - they are very worthy of earlier inclusion.
 
I predict that Portugal, Maya, and Byzantine empire will anchor the second expansion (assuming we get Ottoman empire and Inca in the first).

They may also have the good company of Carthage or some variation of the Celts.
 
Assuming for a moment the the red mountain glimpsed in the Cree first look is a natural wonder and not a new terrain feature, we have now seen all the natural wonders in R&F even if we don't know official what three of them are
 
Assuming for a moment the the red mountain glimpsed in the Cree first look is a natural wonder and not a new terrain feature, we have now seen all the natural wonders in R&F even if we don't know official what three of them are

Firaxis is into some real avant garde indie wonders right now. You probably haven't heard of them.
 
Firaxis is into some real avant garde indie wonders right now. You probably haven't heard of them.

I was into them before they sold out to become mainstream
 
Firaxis is into some real avant garde indie wonders right now. You probably haven't heard of them.

I was into them before they sold out to become mainstream
All those new wonders end up becoming too crowded. Before Civ VI, they were not as crowded.

As the late Yogi Berra once said, "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."
 
Firaxis is into some real avant garde indie wonders right now. You probably haven't heard of them.
I was into them before they sold out to become mainstream
Meh, I only use Fair Trade, certified organic, gluten free, vegan, paleo, ethically-sourced, bespoke wonders.
 
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Meh, I only use Fair Trade, certified organic, gluten free, vegan, paleo, ethnically-sourced, bespoke wonders.
I wanted the Richat Structure in the game before it was cool.
 
Expect tourism to the Richat Structure to increase to the point of it becoming crowded.

Despite appearing completely unremarkable from the ground.
 
So when do they usually announce livestreams? The day of the first look? Or the next?
All the livestreams were on a Wed. and they announced them the day of the first looks, at a later time.
 
Thoughts on possible Zulu inclusion?

For me personally, despite them being a mainstay, I think they're less deserving than either Georgia or Canada (neither of which I think should be included at this point in time, but have a fair shot). It seems apparent that, as a civilization, they're probably the least deserving to have achieved entry in the series history (so long as one is okay with a cultural blob civ that represents a group, rather than a distinct entity, such as Polynesia, Native Americans (atrocious depiction, but the cultures that it was meant to represent were more worthy), the Celts, etc.). They've been fun to play as, but we have a lot of similar play-style groups, and Africa (including southern Africa alone) seems like it has more to offer.
 
Thoughts on possible Zulu inclusion?

For me personally, despite them being a mainstay, I think they're less deserving than either Georgia or Canada (neither of which I think should be included at this point in time, but have a fair shot). It seems apparent that, as a civilization, they're probably the least deserving to have achieved entry in the series history (so long as one is okay with a cultural blob civ that represents a group, rather than a distinct entity, such as Polynesia, Native Americans (atrocious depiction, but the cultures that it was meant to represent were more worthy), the Celts, etc.). They've been fun to play as, but we have a lot of similar play-style groups, and Africa (including southern Africa alone) seems like it has more to offer.

I think they are inevitable, but not necessarily in this expansion. Especially now that we have 1 civ and 1 alt-leader that are warmongers in the expansion already.
 
Seondeok's trade delegation may offer kimchi.

Genghis Khan's trade delegation may offer yak wool and fermented mare's milk.

Chandragupta's trade delegation may offer rare gemstones.

Poundmaker's trade delegation may offer beaver pelts, buffalo hide, moccasins, and/or pemmican.
 
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