[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[Thormodr]

I was having trouble finding good portraits of your average modern Mapuche person.

Well, we'll probably find out on Monday if the Mapuche are in. I'd bet the mysterious portrait leader is next.

TBH, most of the pictures of Mapuche people do seem to have straight hair. So, who knows who the mysterious portrait really is?

Hopefully, we will find out Monday. Kind of hoping it is the Mapuche. I've grown fond of them after reading up on them.

 

[Josephias]

Hopefully, we will find out Monday. Kind of hoping it is the Mapuche. I've grown fond of them after reading up on them.

If not the Mapuche, we can make them the new meme!

 

[Thormodr]

If not the Mapuche, we can make them the new meme!

Memeche.

 

[Duuk]

We all know monday's teaser will be a swatch of plaid and a shiny piece of metal, which will take 6 minutes for someone on here to decode as a specific type of steel forged only in the Scottish highlands and the plaid is a pattern used specifically in Peekskill, New York, so we'll know for certain it will be Mel Gibson of Scotland.

 

[eso12por8]

Venice is still up for grabs as well.. not on the city-state list (nor are any Venetian cities).

 

[bbbt]

Well, you can find Mapuche people with curly hair so I suppose it is possible. Most of the portraits of Lautaro are idealized, anyway.

I'm not sure if his hair is curly or the hairstyle is just flaring out a bit. I.e like this dude but a bit longer (he's one of the first google image searches for Mapuche):

Edit: This hairstyle basically

I have no idea how to make the images not giant, sorry.

 

[Craig_Sutter]

If another city state takes over this ability, the achievement can still be used - maybe you would have to change the name, however.
It is not similarly easy with Jerusalem, which has an achievement tied to its history. And I would suggest another achievement for it: as Saladin liberate Jerusalem.

Or as Barbarossa...

 

[Siptah]

Or as Barbarossa...

That‘s already an existing achievement.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Nineteen days, guys.

 

[agonistes]

Zulu will get the Unique Encampment for sure. Mapuche will probably be the cultural/defensive civ.

I'm guessing they'll show Mapuche next week, followed by Gaelic/Scots and then finish with the Zulu.

It'd be pretty awesome though if Scotland got unique encampments.

Someone justify this for me.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It'd be pretty awesome though if Scotland got unique encampments.

Someone justify this for me.

I googled Scottish Encampment and found only links to Freemasonry: Scottish Encampments/Lodges home to the Knights Templar body of Freemasons.
I think a broch though would be cool, but I see it more as an improvement. Crannogs would be interesting as well only being able to build on lakes. Though they are more plentiful in Ireland.

 

[Cerilis]

I want to see a scottish encampment castle.

There, I did it.

 

[Zaarin]

I googled Scottish Encampment and found only links to Freemasonry: Scottish Encampments/Lodges home to the Knights Templar body of Freemasons.
I think a broch though would be cool, but I see it more as an improvement. Crannogs would be interesting as well only being able to build on lakes. Though they are more plentiful in Ireland.

Crannogs were also built by the pre-Celtic people of Scotland and Ireland, not the Gaels. Even though this civ is obviously going to be Celt-focused, I would like to see some references to the Nordicized Gaelic culture in Orkney, Shetland, and the Hebrides. Ironically, the Hebrides are now the heart of the Scottish Gaidhealtachd.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Eighteen days.

I really wonder which Civ hints will we see tomorrow. I kinda hope for Scotland, because I want to know if Firaxis picked William Wallace, Robert the Bruce or someone else.

 

[AvianBritish]

So provided that the last 3 Civs are in fact Mapuche, Scotland and Zulu (in whichever order) the map of Civilizations in respect to their IRL counterparts looks like this:

*Some of these are based on name sake such as Kongo = Congo (x2) and Macedon = F.Y.R.O.M. despite may not having any historical relation.
**In the case of native peoples or "First Nations" I've highlighted the full modern country(-ies) such as Cree = Canada.
***Scythia I just put in Turkmenistan because I don't know exactly where they were.
****I tried to choose colours the best I can from memory as of R&F's colour updates. For Zulu I left it black and white, and for Scotland I predict green and purple.
*****There are a lot of terms and conditions here.

Spoiler Map :

Spoiler Named map :

 

[Thormodr]

Hmmm...starting to fill in nicely.

The TSL map is going to rock when all is said and done.

 

[AvianBritish]

Hmmm...starting to fill in nicely.

The TSL map is going to rock when all is said and done.

Still a massive gap in Western Africa... And perhaps in the case of "True Start Location" it would be best just to pinpoint their capitals for better TSL representation as the Civs are not guaranteed to fill out their modern boarders.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So provided that the last 3 Civs are in fact Mapuche, Scotland and Zulu (in whichever order) the map of Civilizations in respect to their IRL counterparts looks like this:

*Some of these are based on name sake such as Kongo = Congo (x2) and Macedon = F.Y.R.O.M. despite may not having any historical relation.
**In the case of native peoples or "First Nations" I've highlighted the full modern country(-ies) such as Cree = Canada.
***Scythia I just put in Turkmenistan because I don't know exactly where they were.
****I tried to choose colours the best I can from memory as of R&F's colour updates. For Zulu I left it black and white, and for Scotland I predict green and purple.
*****There are a lot of terms and conditions here.

Spoiler Map :

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Spoiler Named map :

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This map highlights the need for more African representation, specifically West Africa. Greenland doesn't count.
Also FYI I believe the village of Pokrovka was found in Kyrgystan, but that doesn't really matter because I think she would have lived in Turkmenistan anyway.

 

[Disgustipated]

Especially since Africa is such a large continent, and it always has the least representation other than South America. Well technically Australia only has 1 represented, but you all know what I mean. And Antarctica has 0.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

And Antarctica has 0.

It's finally getting a wonder though.